m00nie Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 Why do you find it difficult to believe that people fine-tune their budget to the extent that £150 is too much of an increase to incorporate? My personal budget accounts for every penny, with a small amount of leeway for unforeseen expenses. For me, a 206% increase is too big to incorporate into a budget which is already towards the very outer reaches of its limits. Your final point made me laugh. Basically you've just said "Notice how nobody complained when they paid a fair, reduced concessionary rate. Suspicious eh?" But your previous point made me cry. You surely realise that an 18 year old adult is able to work full time, whereas a student is not? I was in full time work and had my own flat at 18; I had the hours available to do this. Now I am a full-time student, I don't. You surely recognise the difference? The ignorance is astounding. False. because there budget includes drinking or smoking, takeaways. so not hard to account for £3.. and last year wasnt a fair reduced rate, it was a very generous ones. and why should the concession even be there. as you said your self you was working in a good full time job, own place. yet expect a discount for becoming a student. are ALL non students on good wages ? what about apprentices ? they dont get discounts, yet you expect all 18 year olds to purchase at full price.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guesty Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 notice how everyone was well happy last year when the cheap student prices came out, no one thought to say then oh wow this is a bit too cheap.. To be fair I don't think all did. I thought it was too cheap. Me and my mate thought we were miss-reading it, it was such a good offer, we actually phoned the ticket office to make sure. They shouldn't have had one price across the board it should have been relative to the price of a normal ticket. . I can see both sides of the argument as I'm a mature student but there are a lot of people making sweeping generalisations in this thread on both sides. The fact is irrespective of your financial situation if you found out your season ticket was going up by between 100-200% without any warning, you'd be annoyed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 I'm in my Fourth Year of studying Physics, and can vouch for the fact that you have no time to work on top of studying. You don't need to justify yourself to anyone. Thank you. The ignorance on here by some people is frustrating! So many people miss the fact that the majority of Students have no source of income whereas those who feel hard done by still have sources of income. Unfortunately, I don't think the typical Student stereotype doesn't help and I have no respect for people who study on mickey-mouse courses such as media studies, waste the governments money with no chance of paying it back, become unemployed and serve no purpose to the working population in terms of paying through taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00nie Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 Just out of interest, what courses do your daughters study? I have friends who study mickey-mouse courses, turning up for like 2 and a half days a week and have a part time job. I will be in most days from 9-5, apart from the odd hour I may have free. Thats like me saying to you that if your struggling for cash why don't you get a job at Asda at night whilst working from 9-5 in the day? I'll also have extra work and study outside of those hours... you said you do 32 hours, most people do a minimum 40 hour working week. so your not that hard done by really. my girls work in the evenings, or weekends on top of there full week studying. you chose to go college and on to uni, if you want things then your going to have to work for it. the more you want teh more you will have to work for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 because there budget includes drinking or smoking, takeaways. so not hard to account for £3.. and last year wasnt a fair reduced rate, it was a very generous ones. and why should the concession even be there. as you said your self you was working in a good full time job, own place. yet expect a discount for becoming a student. are ALL non students on good wages ? what about apprentices ? they dont get discounts, yet you expect all 18 year olds to purchase at full price.. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 you said you do 32 hours, most people do a minimum 40 hour working week. so your not that hard done by really. my girls work in the evenings, or weekends on top of there full week studying. you chose to go college and on to uni, if you want things then your going to have to work for it. the more you want teh more you will have to work for it. You still don't get it. That's 32 hours at the University. I will get home at 6ish and have to study more... And as you say if you want things you have to work for them and so thats why I will study hard to get a good job after. Again, you're missing the point. EDIT: That 32 hours doesn't include a lunch break like your 40 hour week does... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 Have students always had cheap tickets or is it just a recent thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00nie Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 You still don't get it. That's 32 hours at the University. I will get home at 6ish and have to study more... And as you say if you want things you have to work for them and so thats why I will study hard to get a good job after. Again, you're missing the point. how am i missing the point. my daughter is at northampton uni, yet travels back to leicester on a friday and goes to work friday night and saturday night. so it can be done.. if you cant be bothered or dont feel you have to then thats your choice, but dont make out its not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guesty Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 Have students always had cheap tickets or is it just a recent thing. 2 years ago I had to pay the under 22 price. Don't know about before that as i paid full-price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00nie Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 Next season, I will be going to university and I'm not happy that I have to pay £299. Of course there's two parts of the argument and most will say: 'how are you different to anybody else?'. I couldn't disagree more. I will be doing a 32 hours a week Physics course + time that I will need to put in travelling to and from Loughborough ( I get the grades) and time doing extra work and studying which will leave me with no time whatsoever to get a job. So how else am I meant to pay for it? Complete joke and I don't care what anybody says, the club has fvcked up and Susan Whelan can p*ss off, doubt I will renew now unless I win a big bet or my parents just decide to pay for my Season Ticket. Thanks a lot you bellends, 10 away games this season, you've served up complete bollocks and treat your fans like this... Thank you. The ignorance on here by some people is frustrating! So many people miss the fact that the majority of Students have no source of income whereas those who feel hard done by still have sources of income. Unfortunately, I don't think the typical Student stereotype doesn't help and I have no respect for people who study on mickey-mouse courses such as media studies, waste the governments money with no chance of paying it back, become unemployed and serve no purpose to the working population in terms of paying through taxes. you want discounts yet you find the money to gamble.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Ted Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 yet you find the money to gamble I gamble maximum £5 a week and have been playing off my winnings since I started in February... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00nie Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 I gamble maximum £5 a week and have been playing off my winnings since I started in February... you gamble £5 a week ? yet students are so hard done by with no spare money people are making out.. cant have it both ways.. so out that £5 you could pay the £3 increase for your season ticket , and still hav £2 left to gamble if you felt you really had to.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caz05 Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 I gamble maximum £5 a week and have been playing off my winnings since I started in February... Well wouldnt you rather use that for the extra on a season ticket Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japes Posted 28 April 2012 Share Posted 28 April 2012 I don’t usually write in these forums but am so incensed by the unfairness of these increases that I’m in need of voicing my opinion. I’ve read with interest most of the comments on this topic and I see many great points, but I do have one or two of my own I’d like to add. As with all corporations, there is always a balance to be had in maximizing revenue & profit set against the cost of delivery. And from what I see, the administrative effort surrounding proving ones eligibility for this student concession seems too great for the club to bear. There are other ways to manage this process of course, and they could also have phased in the increases. But let’s be absolutely clear, the club is being selective on who they are willing to encourage to be loyal supporters.“ Leicester City Chief Executive Officer Susan Whelan said: “We have taken every step possible to ensure our 2012/13 Season Ticket campaign represents fairness to our most loyal supporters, while reflecting our ambition as a Football Club.” The only collusion you can draw is they do not consider students as being loyal, so are therefore justified in treating them unfairly. When we reach the premiership (Difficult to understand after this season I know), then I expect the loyalty shown to other groups will also be tested. Quite simply the club will be in a position to cherry pick the type of fans they want on the terraces . (Not necessary because the ground will be oversubscribed, but because they will get their revenue from the premiership fund). I’m incensed because my out of town university student son will not be able to attend next season due to these increases. I will therefore be expressing my dissatisfaction by not renewing my full adult season ticket. My passion for Leicester will always remain, but loyalty is a two way thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flowwolf Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 It's a pity your age has not afforded you a higher degree of wisdom. You are confused about the definition of capitalism, but it's not something that is integral to this discussion so it's not worth debating over. What is worth debating over, however, is your implication that students believe they are "owed a living or a free education". I don't know what evidence you have for this; I haven't been out of work since I was 15, and I worked full time for many years before I became a student, leaving a reasonably well paid job to attend. The education I get now is anything but "free". Do you have any idea what you are talking about? I get maintenance loans delivered in three installments to my bank account, with my course fees paid directly to the university. I never see the latter, and the former does not even cover rent and bills for accommodation; forgetting the hundreds of pounds worth of books and materials that are essential for passing the course, not to mention a weekly food budget. I have been on both "sides" of the argument and I can tell you that it's the most financially difficult situation of all the ones I have been in. Not only that, this money is given as a loan; unless I agree to cap my own wage at an excessively low amount then it clearly has to be paid back. I think it's quaint that in one breath you mention capitalism, yet in the next seem to have no grasp of the relative purchasing power of different classes of consumer. First of all, the hours when I am not at University I spend at a part-time job so I can feed myself. Second of all, what do you think a student discount is? A student discount exists not as a 'reward' for somebody deciding to further their education but as a concession for somebody who is generally speaking less financially able to purchase the item in question. Of course, this means nothing to you if you believe that full-time workers and students have equal purchasing power. I reject your salute. You have just acknowledged that students struggle with cashflow to a greater extent than those in full-time work. So the crux of the your argument appears to be that you don't think that students should be able to buy things at prices which fall within the pale of their tighter budget? Prize for the best false dichotomy goes to you! What a ridiculous thing to say. You're saying that the only way a student should be able to watch his football team is to abandon whatever forms of socialisation he indulges in? You have no idea what I "find the money" to do. I find all of this quite interesting coming from somebody who identifies themselves as a "pensioner", a class of purchaser which is subject to a concessionary rate. Should I malign the scores of retired pensioners because of the people their age who choose not to retire and instead carry on working? Would you endorse presenting them with the dichotomy of either paying full price or abandoning other areas of their lives which they can "find the money" to pay for? All very interesting but I wont salute you I can't stand another rejection lol. Has it ever crossed you youthful mind that people who pay the full price of a ticket are actually subsidizing the concessionary ? As for the pensioners they have done their bit towards society laddie paying years of tax while you have a life time of work ahead of you. Believe me they have had no concessions when they were young. So as someone who still pays the full price of a ticket can you explain why I should subsidise a student to go to a football match ? It's not as if it is an essentiality for your health or well being is it ? which is what subsidising should be about . I notice you did not address the issue that you have chosen to further educate yourself, so that you can then get a high paid job to lead a more wealthy life style , that must be your aim surely ? because it's not to get on eggheads or mastermind is it. So come on tax dodger and explain exactly why I should susidise you to go to a football match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitlock Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 Get in debt for Uni, get in debt for Leicester, I know i would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Shilton Lee Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 So come on tax dodger and explain exactly why I should susidise you to go to a football match. You do realise, don't you, that once he graduates he is far more likely to be paying a higher rate of tax in the future than is a non-graduate? And that he will likely have more spare cash to spend, thus benefiting the capitalist economy. In pure Leicester City terms this extra cash will probably go on a more expensive season ticket than most non-graduates can afford, thus benefiting the club. Or had you not bothered to think beyond your own ignorant prejudice against people actively trying to better themselves. Something which a capitalist society should be encouraging, wouldn't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flowwolf Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 You do realise, don't you, that once he graduates he is far more likely to be paying a higher rate of tax in the future than is a non-graduate? And that he will likely have more spare cash to spend, thus benefiting the capitalist economy. In pure Leicester City terms this extra cash will probably go on a more expensive season ticket than most non-graduates can afford, thus benefiting the club. Or had you not bothered to think beyond your own ignorant prejudice against people actively trying to better themselves. Something which a capitalist society should be encouraging, wouldn't you think? Ah but you are using probables not facts. You obviously did not read my previous post were I said I salute anyone who actively works hard or educates themselves for a better life , so your ignorant prejudice point is null and void ( you must read before posting ) it's a must if you don't wont to appear silly. If you had read all the posts I too spoke of living in a capitalist society but the other tax dodger decried my use of the word saying it had no relevance. Now then I will ask once again why should students get ticket subsidies ? we are not talking about help with food or rent or books. we are talking about a leisure activity. It is a personal choice that people make on how to use their disposable income . You have made the choice to become a students in the full knowledge of all that it entails , not having enough money being one of them. But quite rightly you use the opportunity to use the brains you have been blessed with and better yourselves , that is your right . What is not your right is to expect other fans and the club to subsidise your leisure activities. The club have looked at this anomaly and quite rightly stopped it , and no amount of hand ringing is going to change that . you will just have to go down one of your Polar bear pubs and get pissed on your subsidised ale instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Shilton Lee Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 I don't think that subsidised season tickets should be a right for students. But I do think that the club was silly to offer student prices last season only to remove that price bracket this time around. It has alienated people which is likely to have a knock on impact on their desire to spend money on the club when they are earning more in the future. My own view is that the club should have kept student prices, at least for those who bought tickets at that price last season, so as to remove blow of the massive price hike they will suffer if they choose to renew for next season on current prices. I notice you refer to the 'other tax dodger' in your above post. Perhaps this is because you believe that I am a student. Something which I have not stated, because it isn't true. You must read before posting; it's a must if you don't wish to appear silly. I have been a student but am now fortunate enough to be in a position in which I am earning more than my hard-working Dad has done at any point in his life. The work I put in at university is directly responsible for this. I mention this because you accuse me of 'using probables, not facts' when suggesting that graduates will earn more than non-graduates, thus contributing more in tax and in spare capital to the economy. I accept that this anecdotal evidence is probably not enough for you. So, I refer you to the Office of National Statistics who in 2011 revealed that graduates, on average, earn £12,000 more per year than non-graduates. Please remember that it is important to research your point before deciding that I, or anybody else, is dealing in 'probables, not facts'. It is a must if you don't wish to appear silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmt Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 The predjudice towards students on here is unreal. If you object to students getting cheaper tickets so much, you should have aired your views before this thread. This thread is for people objecting to the price of their season ticket being doubled after watching a season of shite, which is clearly unfair even if you disagree with the season tickets being cheap in the first place. Would any adults not feel aggrieved if their 500 pound season ticket doubled in price? For a working adult 10 pounds a week more is probably about the same proportionally as 3 pounds a week extra is for a student, but there would still be hell on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 so you can afford £150 but not £300, that £150 extra.. £3 a week.. im sure if you REALLY wanted to you could find it. its a typical case of im all right jack screw anyone else, as i dont see the students saying its unfair for a normal person having to pay a 100% rise just fort turning 18 yet wages dont go up 100% for turning 18.. notice how everyone was well happy last year when the cheap student prices came out, no one thought to say then oh wow this is a bit too cheap.. No, because the current prices are already on the edge of what I would pay, so paying more would be going out of my price range. By your logic, am I right in saying that if they raised season ticket prices for adults to £650+ you wouldn't complain; that's £250 extra... £5 a week, I'm sure if you REALLY wanted to you could find it... correct? Even whilst I'm not at Uni at the moment and just at college, I'm on a limited budget AND I work 8 hours a week which is near enough the maximum you should be working a week whilst at college. Food costs and bus travel alone during the college week comes to about £20+ a week; funded by myself due to cuts in EMA too which is £30 less a week which I would have was I born a year or two earlier -_- I've seen various people here with comments such as 'the world doesn't owe students' and 'why should students get discounts' and even one implying that students shouldn't get loans etc from the government . Surely we should be encouraging people to go to University, especially in the situation we're in right now in the economy... are we expected to recover and build in the future with an uneducated population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 No one on here is subsidising shit, and claiming that you subsidise students is moronic, immediately writing off anything else you have to say on the matter. The club sets a price for various products in order to maximise its income and they have decided, rightly or wrongly, that having a student product is not something they wish to continue with. They believe that this is in the best long term financial interests of the club and has nothing to do with 'entitlement' or 'subsidy'. If I were a student I'd feel aggrieved, as a supporter I think the policy is short-sighted, as an adult I don't see why anyone should care unless they are a student or a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 http://www.myfakeid.biz/fake-id/fake-student-card.aspx Much more of this and companies like this will be in deep shit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 Thank you. The ignorance on here by some people is frustrating! So many people miss the fact that the majority of Students have no source of income whereas those who feel hard done by still have sources of income. Unfortunately, I don't think the typical Student stereotype doesn't help and I have no respect for people who study on mickey-mouse courses such as media studies, waste the governments money with no chance of paying it back, become unemployed and serve no purpose to the working population in terms of paying through taxes. So how do you fund the odd student night out or the 10 away games you went to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flowwolf Posted 29 April 2012 Share Posted 29 April 2012 Oh dear it has become so boring. Come on you so called educated ones I will ask the question one more time , Why do you think your tickets to a Leicester city match should cost you less than anyone else is paying ? it is not a hard question considering your educational backgrounds so come on then explain why ? and please don't continue with the side tracking on the issue . Give us your reason. Oh and Daggers love your " if I were a student " gag ---As if :D :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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