Animal rights

[lavrentis]

Narborough Rooooad, Evington Rooooad, Granby Street and the one by McDonald's.

 

It wouldn't be Narb Road without Maryland. Shout out to that Italian chippy next to the Coop and food4you as well

 

It's the finest quality rat chicken of the sewer, don't know what your problem is.

 

I lav it

[Finnegan]

I've never been in f4y, it looks awful. Same as Noodle Bar.

[lavrentis]

I've never been in f4y, it looks awful. Same as Noodle Bar.

 

it looks shit but I got recommended it and it's okay, Noodle House is okay but they give you 2/3rd rice + noodles and cheap out on the chicken. Can do worse on Narborough road, TJ's burger and kebab centre for me is the worst ignoring Maryland

Yum Chi

[Manwell Pablo]

Is it really extreme to think that animals shouldn't be deliberately killed when they don't need to be? Don't get me wrong, if you need to kill an animal to survive then go for it, I'm just saying it shouldn't be done if it's not necessary. I don't think that's an extreme view.

 

Might I ask why you'd put people at the top of this hierarchy of species? What are the criteria?

 

You've not really answered his questions there, you don't need to get in your car and drive above 20 mph but I presume you do if your old enough to drive or will do when you have a licence, you'll kill insects as a result, and this probably wont bother you.

 

What would do if you got mice in your house? Removing them without killing them is extremely difficult, having had experience with "humane" mouse traps I can tell you in most instances they result in a dramatically more painful death than the standard ones, even then once removed from your house the mouse will attempt to re-enter anyway. You do not need to get rid of the mice to go on living but keeping them around will obviously lower your standard of living. You don't "have" to kill slugs you can live on plants and fruits they'd have no interest in eating instead of killing the ones that do, where do you draw the line? 

[MooseBreath]

Had a wagyu beef steak and tried spider crab for the first time over the weekend. Stunning stuff. The spider crab was literally lifted alive from the bucket and dropped into boiling water so it was as fresh as possible. A bit frightening to look at but a lovely meat. The wagyu was pure luxury too.

[leicsmac]

So it's cool if they're accidentally killed? Excellent, fetch the US and tell them the taliban is hiding in that field full of cows. Anyway, I would consider "to feed me" a reason they need to be killed.

 

We are kinda top of the food-chain and have pretty much turned nature into our bitch. We've pretty much won this life thing.

 

Yellowstone/that massive asteroid being one of the 10% we didn't track/the new and improved mutated airborne version of Ebola say hello. 

 

But at an everyday level, I do agree.

[Manwell Pablo]

We're quite obviously top of any natural hierarchy to suggest otherwise is just something most veggies do, mainly to be annoying I guess. 

[leicsmac]

We're quite obviously top of any natural hierarchy to suggest otherwise is just something most veggies do, mainly to be annoying I guess. 

 

Absolutely (unless you count survivability of a species for any length of time in lots of different places in which case some bacteria have us beat), but we're just the latest in a long history of creatures who are top of the natural hierarchy. What happened to the rest of them?

[purpleronnie]

Absolutely (unless you count survivability of a species for any length of time in lots of different places in which case some bacteria have us beat), but we're just the latest in a long history of creatures who are top of the natural hierarchy. What happened to the rest of them?

According to a book I read some were saved by a big boat the rest drowned.

[leicsmac]

According to a book I read some were saved by a big boat the rest drowned.

 

Not entirely sure about the veracity of the author. 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

Narborough Rooooad, Evington Rooooad, Granby Street and the one by McDonald's.

 

Am I right in thinking Rubicon Mango?

[David Guiza]

You've not really answered his questions there, you don't need to get in your car and drive above 20 mph but I presume you do if your old enough to drive or will do when you have a licence, you'll kill insects as a result, and this probably wont bother you.

 

What would do if you got mice in your house? Removing them without killing them is extremely difficult, having had experience with "humane" mouse traps I can tell you in most instances they result in a dramatically more painful death than the standard ones, even then once removed from your house the mouse will attempt to re-enter anyway. You do not need to get rid of the mice to go on living but keeping them around will obviously lower your standard of living. You don't "have" to kill slugs you can live on plants and fruits they'd have no interest in eating instead of killing the ones that do, where do you draw the line? 

Slight difference between running over a bug, unknowingly, and keeping an animal in a factory, never to see daylight; before pumping it full of all kinds of nonsense and finally slaughtering it. Or maybe all veggie's just don't eat meat to be 'annoying', either or.

[Manwell Pablo]

Slight difference between running over a bug, unknowingly, and keeping an animal in a factory, never to see daylight; before pumping it full of all kinds of nonsense and finally slaughtering it. Or maybe all veggie's just don't eat meat to be 'annoying', either or.

 

Says you. In my eyes if you're going to view one animal as better as another you've defeated the whole purpose of your original argument, given that the crux is that we aren't any better than the animals we breed and kill for meat. And it's Hardly unknowing you get in your car this time of year you know you'r going to flatten about 50 insects through the course of the summer. As I say what about the mouse infestation or slug scenarios? How far are you willing to push the boundaries of what is "want" and what is "need".

 

I never said not eating meat is annoying, I said suggesting we aren't clearly the most  superior species of creatures on earth is, pointless suggestion, I don't see any dairy cows flying to the moan, I don't see any rabbitts finding a cure for myxomatosis, I don't see many grizzly bears kicking back on the sofa playing FIFA when it's minus 10 outside, I see them struggling around trying to survive as that's all their limited intellect can manage. 

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with not eating meat just do the rest of us a favor and don't tell us about it every 2 minutes. Some of us quite like being at the top of the food chain it's certainly better than the alternative.

[Houdini Logic]

Slight difference between running over a bug, unknowingly, and keeping an animal in a factory, never to see daylight; before pumping it full of all kinds of nonsense and finally slaughtering it. Or maybe all veggie's just don't eat meat to be 'annoying', either or.

 

If you drive a car you can be 99% sure you're going to kill an animal so it's not exactly unknowingly.

This is an interesting argument and one which always baffles me about people who preach animal rights.

 

I have some friends who are hardline vegan, who do everything they can to avoid anything animal based in what they do and eat but they will happily take a short cut through a park, which will inevitablylead to walking on and killing bugs, rather walk the long way on the pavement where they can see what they are standing on (not that they bother).

 

It's all a bit odd really.

[MooseBreath]

Says you. In my eyes if you're going to view one animal as better as another you've defeated the whole purpose of your original argument, given that the crux is that we aren't any better than the animals we breed and kill for meat. And it's Hardly unknowing you get in your car this time of year you know you'r going to flatten about 50 insects through the course of the summer. As I say what about the mouse infestation or slug scenarios? How far are you willing to push the boundaries of what is "want" and what is "need".

I never said not eating meat is annoying, I said suggesting we aren't clearly the most superior species of creatures on earth is, pointless suggestion, I don't see any dairy cows flying to the moan, I don't see any rabbitts finding a cure for myxomatosis, I don't see many grizzly bears kicking back on the sofa playing FIFA when it's minus 10 outside, I see them struggling around trying to survive as that's all their limited intellect can manage.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with not eating meat just do the rest of us a favor and don't tell us about it every 2 minutes. Some of us quite like being at the top of the food chain it's certainly better than the alternative.

Always makes me laugh when you get some gimp saying "look at this monkey, it can solve a basic puzzle, isn't it amazing?" Errrm, no, it isn't amazing, it's shit. Come back to me when your monkey has done something remotely intelligent. Little ****ers haven't even invented the wheel yet. Thousands of other species and not one of them shows any intention of putting in an intellectual shift. It's a pathetic planet really.

[Houdini Logic]

Always makes me laugh when you get some gimp saying "look at this monkey, it can solve a basic puzzle, isn't it amazing?" Errrm, no, it isn't amazing, it's shit. Come back to me when your monkey has done something remotely intelligent. Little ****ers haven't even invented the wheel yet. Thousands of other species and not one of them shows any intention of putting in an intellectual shift. It's a pathetic planet really.

 

I completely agree - I mean monkey's can't even master a simple troll let alone dream of being an expert like you

[David Guiza]

Says you. In my eyes if you're going to view one animal as better as another you've defeated the whole purpose of your original argument, given that the crux is that we aren't any better than the animals we breed and kill for meat. And it's Hardly unknowing you get in your car this time of year you know you'r going to flatten about 50 insects through the course of the summer. As I say what about the mouse infestation or slug scenarios? How far are you willing to push the boundaries of what is "want" and what is "need".

 

I never said not eating meat is annoying, I said suggesting we aren't clearly the most  superior species of creatures on earth is, pointless suggestion, I don't see any dairy cows flying to the moan, I don't see any rabbitts finding a cure for myxomatosis, I don't see many grizzly bears kicking back on the sofa playing FIFA when it's minus 10 outside, I see them struggling around trying to survive as that's all their limited intellect can manage. 

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with not eating meat just do the rest of us a favor and don't tell us about it every 2 minutes. Some of us quite like being at the top of the food chain it's certainly better than the alternative.

I'm not viewing any animal as superior to any other. I'm saying that you can't live your life trying to avoid hurting any single animal, as that is almost impossible. But, there's a huge difference between that and not putting the flesh of another animal into your body.

Just because animals aren't finding a cure for cancer doesn't mean they're not intelligent and neither does it mean that they deserve to be treated in the way that they are, and to suggest that is absurd in my opinion. As I've said previously, I have no issues whatsoever with meat eaters. Veggies/Vegans etc will always be in the minority by a country mile, that's just how the world works.

All i'm saying is that it's possible to survive without the consumption of animals, and, in many cases the countries with the largest numbers of veggies per person have huge life expectancy over the likes of places with a huge amount of meat consumption.  

In my experience I actually find that it's the meat eaters whom have the problems with non meat eaters, "How can you not eat meat?" "Do you not miss a juicy steak?" etc. I am merely exercising my opinion, not bragging etc.

[Mark_w]

You've not really answered his questions there, you don't need to get in your car and drive above 20 mph but I presume you do if your old enough to drive or will do when you have a licence, you'll kill insects as a result, and this probably wont bother you.

 

What would do if you got mice in your house? Removing them without killing them is extremely difficult, having had experience with "humane" mouse traps I can tell you in most instances they result in a dramatically more painful death than the standard ones, even then once removed from your house the mouse will attempt to re-enter anyway. You do not need to get rid of the mice to go on living but keeping them around will obviously lower your standard of living. You don't "have" to kill slugs you can live on plants and fruits they'd have no interest in eating instead of killing the ones that do, where do you draw the line? 

 

There are a lot of assumptions in there so I'll clarify a few things.

 

I don't drive and have no intention of doing so. I'm 19 but when we've had rodent issues we've used humane traps and to my knowledge had no deaths. If I decide to use them in the future I'll decide whether or not I think they work based on my experiences rather than yours. I've never knowingly killed a slug.

 

And I do think there's a difference between transport that inadvertently kills animals and the meat industry that very deliberately kills animals.

[Mark_w]

In my experience I actually find that it's the meat eaters whom have the problems with non meat eaters, "How can you not eat meat?" "Do you not miss a juicy steak?" etc. I am merely exercising my opinion, not bragging etc.

 

Whilst that's true, it deffinitley works both ways. I have a problem with people eating meat, and I imagine the majority of vegetarians do.

[Unabomber]

How come you have no intention of driving?

[Mark_w]

How come you have no intention of driving?

 

I don't need to, unless that changes I won't bother.

[The Doctor]

There are a lot of assumptions in there so I'll clarify a few things.

 

I don't drive and have no intention of doing so. I'm 19 but when we've had rodent issues we've used humane traps and to my knowledge had no deaths. If I decide to use them in the future I'll decide whether or not I think they work based on my experiences rather than yours. I've never knowingly killed a slug.

 

And I do think there's a difference between transport that inadvertently kills animals and the meat industry that very deliberately kills animals.

 

What about the food industry - crops are generally sprayed with pesticides, which would kill animals. Oh, and if we're going down the "don't kill things" route - plants are alive. Why is it fine to kill plants and animals, but not to then eat dead animals?

 

Oh, and lets not play the plants don't feel anything card - while whether they feel pain is still up for discussion, they certainly respond to it/the fear of it: if you play the sound of a caterpillar munching leaves to plants, they'll secrete chemicals that make up their defensive mechanisms.

[Mark_w]

What about the food industry - crops are generally sprayed with pesticides, which would kill animals. Oh, and if we're going down the "don't kill things" route - plants are alive. Why is it fine to kill plants and animals, but not to then eat dead animals?

 

Oh, and lets not play the plants don't feel anything card - while whether they feel pain is still up for discussion, they certainly respond to it/the fear of it: if you play the sound of a caterpillar munching leaves to plants, they'll secrete chemicals that make up their defensive mechanisms.

 

I didn't say 'don't kill things' I said don't kill animals. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

Plants, as far as we're aware don't feel pain. I have to eat something to live, and as we know animals feel pain, I'll stick to food sources that don't involve killing animals deliberately. I try my best to avoid eating foods that involve any harm to an animal, that isn't always possible, that doesn't mean I can't have a problem with the meat industry.

[The Doctor]

I didn't say 'don't kill things' I said don't kill animals. Don't put words in my mouth.

 

Plants, as far as we're aware don't feel pain. I have to eat something to live, and as we know animals feel pain, I'll stick to food sources that don't involve killing animals deliberately. I try my best to avoid eating foods that involve any harm to an animal, that isn't always possible, that doesn't mean I can't have a problem with the meat industry.

 

So, why is it fine to kill plants but not animals?

 

Really? http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc/web/video/titles/12151/do-plants-respond-to-pain - plants respond to pain, and respond to threats...

[Mark_w]

So, why is it fine to kill plants but not animals?

 

Really? http://www.smithsonianchannel.com/sc/web/video/titles/12151/do-plants-respond-to-pain - plants respond to pain, and respond to threats...

 

That video doesn't prove they feel pain.