Animal rights

[dhermon]

Thankfully the morons doing it have been caught out i hope they clean the sport right up now I am a hobby trainer and have never done anything even remotely like this nor would i ever nor have i ever put one down even coped $1000 vet bill to care for a sick greyhound who now lives at my parents place bad eggs ruin it for everyone and sadly these bad eggs are very high up in the industry infact Paul Anderton was doing the speaking tour of tracks last year talking about all thing s animal welfare in the sport bloody glad i never attended now hope they all go to jail AFTER they pay back every cent they have won (unrealistic) or at least monies won from time  all this filming began!!

I have self edited out the stronger choice words id prefer to use describing these flogs!!

[David Guiza]

Live rabbits, piglets, possums are used for greyhound training. cvnts!

 

 

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/claims-rabbits-used-as-live-bait-for-greyhounds-sparking-investigation/story-fni0fee2-1227221685967

 

Thankfully the morons doing it have been caught out i hope they clean the sport right up now I am a hobby trainer and have never done anything even remotely like this nor would i ever nor have i ever put one down even coped $1000 vet bill to care for a sick greyhound who now lives at my parents place bad eggs ruin it for everyone and sadly these bad eggs are very high up in the industry infact Paul Anderton was doing the speaking tour of tracks last year talking about all thing s animal welfare in the sport bloody glad i never attended now hope they all go to jail AFTER they pay back every cent they have won (unrealistic) or at least monies won from time  all this filming began!!

I have self edited out the stronger choice words id prefer to use describing these flogs!!

I just don't understand how anyone can even begin to consider doing something like that. Even prior to turning pescatarian/vegetarian/vegan I'd consider anything like that absolutely barbaric. I can think of no justification whatsoever.

[ozleicester]

Yes indeed,  (edit some) trainers of animals for sport LOVE their animals.

 

More than 50 greyhound carcasses found in Bundaberg bushland

 

 

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/more-than-50-greyhound-carcasses-found-in-bundaberg-bushland-20150401-1md2ub.html

Edited 2 April 2015 by ozleicester

[ozleicester]

First was the Greyhounds above... now its Race Horses.

 

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/04/21/15/20/epa-investigates-after-12-horses-found-dead-and-dumped-in-south-australian-bush

 

 

 

Yet another reason to support the ending of the racing industries

[Aus Fox]

First was the Greyhounds above... now its Race Horses.

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/04/21/15/20/epa-investigates-after-12-horses-found-dead-and-dumped-in-south-australian-bush

Yet another reason to support the ending of the racing industries

What do you think happens to all the dogs and horses if we ended the racing industry tomorrow?

Not to mention the human cost of ending the industry.

[ozleicester]

What do you think happens to all the dogs and horses if we ended the racing industry tomorrow?

Not to mention the human cost of ending the industry.

 

 

you might want to review the past 50 odd pages as this has been discussed.

 

Put simply, if your concern is for the animals, them im happy to suggest that we begin a phased close down of the industries, so that the existing animals, (that are so loved and important to their owners) arent just shot and dumped in the bush.

 

Perhaps we say that in 5 years we end racing, that will stop them breeding and allow time to "use" the existing stock.

 

The human cost, well, again it depends where the value lies, is it with treating animals with decency and respect or is it allowing them to be abused and killed so that some people can get rich. when we stopped children being used in the factories, i imagine there was quite an outcry, but we survived, some may say, society prospered.

[Manwell Pablo]

you might want to review the past 50 odd pages as this has been discussed.

 

Put simply, if your concern is for the animals, them im happy to suggest that we begin a phased close down of the industries, so that the existing animals, (that are so loved and important to their owners) arent just shot and dumped in the bush.

 

Perhaps we say that in 5 years we end racing, that will stop them breeding and allow time to "use" the existing stock.

 

The human cost, well, again it depends where the value lies, is it with treating animals with decency and respect or is it allowing them to be abused and killed so that some people can get rich. when we stopped children being used in the factories, i imagine there was quite an outcry, but we survived, some may say, society prospered.

 

Yes and the only reason this thread is still open is because you are flogging a dead horse, excuse the pun.

 

Ignoring the issues around horses dying while competing as there is actually some merit in that. These people are acting illegally, it's a totally pointless post, if owners act in accordance with the law horses and greyhounds would be well looked after. In this country at least. It's a bit akin to starting a thread and posting links to every murder that takes place whilst pointing out the killing people is probably a bit wrong.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

No it's got nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing, we're calling for it to be closed because you're flogging a dead horse, excuse the pun. If you didn't keep resurrecting it it'd die a natural death anyway but because your too self important to let that happen you keep dragging up every other week. Your just cluttering up the forum on a one man crusade and that is not what this forum is for. 

It's relevant to the post, however one sees it, so there is no good reason why he should not post away, to his heart's content.

 

My own view is that he has a valid point.

[Rincewind]

Why would a horse or greyhound ill treat them? They are worth a lot of dosh to them both while racing and as breeding. A reputable owner would not want to match their animal with one that has been ill treated.

Have you noticed that when a horse loses a jockey in a race they still jump the fences. They seem to enjoy it.

[ozleicester]

Why would a horse or greyhound ill treat them? They are worth a lot of dosh to them both while racing and as breeding. A reputable owner would not want to match their animal with one that has been ill treated.

Have you noticed that when a horse loses a jockey in a race they still jump the fences. They seem to enjoy it.

 

The people doing this are part of the racing industry so they are doing it.

 

They ill treat those that are not successful, sure the ones that are earning them money are indeed treated like kings but they are a very very small percentage.

 

Those that dont make the grade, are mainly either killed and turned to pet food (or Tesco burgers) if they are "lucky", or, they get a bullet through the head and are dumped in a hole in  the outback.

 

 

This is why ive posted before about banning racing altogether, the horses have now been bred to a point that they are all at risk, the thoroughbreds have thinner lighter bones (makes them go faster) and are over trained and muscled and the important point before any comparisons with boxers or footballers, these animals do not have a choice, they are bred and forced to run and jump simply so we can make money from them. Their bodies are no longer natural and whilst the brain say flight, the body is at risk.

 

Horse are instinctive creatures of flight, when fearful etc they run and if there is a herd or troop of horses, they will instinctively follow that group. It not through love of jumping, its a fight or flight response and flight is their nature. but as mentioned, they are no longer built for it.

 

Why do we need racing, we can computer generate an equivalent competition.

 

 

Yep we have racing coz the horses enjoy it so much.

 

 

Edited 22 April 2015 by ozleicester

[Rincewind]

Why do we need horse, sheep, pigs, chickens etc. They take up space in fields that could be used for crops to please the veggies. If I owned a farm and was told I could not breed animals for human consumption I would have them all destroyed.

[Manwell Pablo]

The people doing this are part of the racing industry so they are doing it.

 

They ill treat those that are not successful, sure the ones that are earning them money are indeed treated like kings but they are a very very small percentage.

 

Those that dont make the grade, are mainly either killed and turned to pet food (or Tesco burgers) if they are "lucky", or, they get a bullet through the head and are dumped in a hole in  the outback.

 

 

This is why ive posted before about banning racing altogether, the horses have now been bred to a point that they are all at risk, the thoroughbreds have thinner lighter bones (makes them go faster) and are over trained and muscled and the important point before any comparisons with boxers or footballers, these animals do not have a choice, they are bred and forced to run and jump simply so we can make money from them. Their bodies are no longer natural and whilst the brain say flight, the body is at risk.

 

Horse are instinctive creatures of flight, when fearful etc they run and if there is a herd or troop of horses, they will instinctively follow that group. It not through love of jumping, its a fight or flight response and flight is their nature. but as mentioned, they are no longer built for it.

 

Why do we need racing, we can computer generate an equivalent competition.

 

 

Yep we have racing coz the horses enjoy it so much.

 

 

 

That's just bull shit though isn't it, as that's not even legal.  Owners, legally, have a duty of care to a kept animal. They can't just shoot them, not in this country anyway.

[Rincewind]

Horse that are ill treated will not perform and stables are checked by qualified vets.

[Houdini Logic]

ozleicester - are you vegan yet?

[David Guiza]

Why do we need horse, sheep, pigs, chickens etc. They take up space in fields that could be used for crops to please the veggies. If I owned a farm and was told I could not breed animals for human consumption I would have them all destroyed.

I get (hope) that is said with sarcasm, but why does every animals worth depend on how valuable they are to man anyway? Even before I turned veggie (only been just over a year) I would have found that statement ridiculous. If we can't hunt it, eat it, use it for sport or cuddle it then it has no place on earth despite, in most cases, being around for thousands/millions of years longer than us? You don't have to be a free love, vegan, hippy to see the value in a living creatures life, or do you?  

 

Also a couple of questions about horses enjoying the racing industry, not looking for an argument just genuinely interested in your response. IF horses do indeed love to race in the industry then 1. Why do we ever need jockeys in that case? 2. Why did we ever need whips?

Clearly race horses and greyhounds are very well looked after, whilst they have some worth to the owner, I would never dispute that. But I reckon greyhounds are well up there in terms of breeds of dog in shelters, and it doesn't take a genius to work out why.    

[WarehamFox]

Animal Cruelty is on the increase according to latest news/data. I never liked Bear Grylls T.V. show where he was killing things for fun that had little relevance to UK life. Killing a snake in a jungle so he could plss in it and drink it later!??? No relevance what so ever to my life! So why have it on English TV?  Why go somewhere in these days that mean you have to kill endangered animals? No justice in it at all!!

[Manwell Pablo]

I get (hope) that is said with sarcasm, but why does every animals worth depend on how valuable they are to man anyway? Even before I turned veggie (only been just over a year) I would have found that statement ridiculous. If we can't hunt it, eat it, use it for sport or cuddle it then it has no place on earth despite, in most cases, being around for thousands/millions of years longer than us? You don't have to be a free love, vegan, hippy to see the value in a living creatures life, or do you?  

 

Also a couple of questions about horses enjoying the racing industry, not looking for an argument just genuinely interested in your response. IF horses do indeed love to race in the industry then 1. Why do we ever need jockeys in that case? 2. Why did we ever need whips?

Clearly race horses and greyhounds are very well looked after, whilst they have some worth to the owner, I would never dispute that. But I reckon greyhounds are well up there in terms of breeds of dog in shelters, and it doesn't take a genius to work out why.    

 

Just read an American article which claims they aren't even in the top 10.

 

I am sorry but as usual the animal rights activist arguement here is over the top, and ignoring the real issues. If you want to campaign for bans on racing then argue the real issues, like the dangers horses face while competing. The actions of irresponisble owners acting outside the law being the reason to shut down an entire industry is about as logical as going back to cutting theives hands off.

Edited 22 April 2015 by Manwell Pablo

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

What do you think happens to all the dogs and horses if we ended the racing industry tomorrow?

Not to mention the human cost of ending the industry.

Just what do you think happens to them, when their use is over?

 

It is a well known fact that the majority of dogs are put down, and only a few weeks ago, the bodies of sixty odd greyhounds were found shot, according to the BBC.

Edited 22 April 2015 by DANGEROUS TIGER

[David Guiza]

Just read an American article which claims they aren't even in the top 10.

 

I am sorry but as usual the animal rights activist arguement here is over the top, and ignoring the real issues. If you want to campaign for bans on racing then argue the real issues, like the dangers horses face while competing. The actions of irresponisble owners acting outside the law being the reason to shut down an entire industry is about as logical as going back to cutting theives hands off.

I was only presuming, absolutely no idea on statistics. However, a quick Google search suggests that there are numerous charities which specialise in the rescue and rehoming of greyhounds, something that isn't as common with other breeds.

 

I was merely querying Rincey's points about Horses enjoying racing in the current format. I have nowhere near enough knowledge to even begin to make a substantial argument in favour of a racing ban, and would never claim to either. But, even with the little knowledge on the area that I do posses, I can see that some points made in favour of the industry are ludicrous. I'm not an animal rights activist by any stretch of the imagination, but I am more than educated enough to form an opinion on what I believe is right and wrong on certain topics. Who knows, future generations may look back at these kind of things and wonder how on earth it ever happened. In similar ways to fox hunting, dogs in shop windows etc. I very much doubt it at this current moment in time though.

[ozleicester]

ozleicester - are you vegan yet?

 

No, why do you ask?

 

 

Horse that are ill treated will not perform and stables are checked by qualified vets.

 

And as evidenced by the news story, may well be taken out the back, shot and dumped... the vets dont see that.

 

Just what do you think happens to them, when their use is over?

 

It is a well known fact that the majority of dogs are put down, and only a few weeks ago, the bodies of sixty odd greyhounds were found shot, according to the BBC.

 

The links i posted (which appear to be complained about but not read) show that trainers of greyhounds and horses are doing this and have been for quite sometime. Of course it isnt legal to do it, but that doesnt stop them and if we did not have a racing industry there would be no need to be killing innocent animals.

I was only presuming, absolutely no idea on statistics. However, a quick Google search suggests that there are numerous charities which specialise in the rescue and rehoming of greyhounds, something that isn't as common with other breeds.

 

I was merely querying Rincey's points about Horses enjoying racing in the current format. I have nowhere near enough knowledge to even begin to make a substantial argument in favour of a racing ban, and would never claim to either. But, even with the little knowledge on the area that I do posses, I can see that some points made in favour of the industry are ludicrous. I'm not an animal rights activist by any stretch of the imagination, but I am more than educated enough to form an opinion on what I believe is right and wrong on certain topics. Who knows, future generations may look back at these kind of things and wonder how on earth it ever happened. In similar ways to fox hunting, dogs in shop windows etc. I very much doubt it at this current moment in time though.

 

Grey hounds make wonderful pets too, friends of ours run the adoption society here and regularly have fosters, beautiful friendly docile creatures.

[Mark_w]

Wouldn't it be much easier, and infinitely more entertaining, to just bet on human piggy back races?

[Strokes]

Wouldn't it be much easier, and infinitely more entertaining, to just bet on human piggy back races?

I'll stick with the horses ta.

[Mark_w]

I'll stick with the horses ta.

 

Your loss.

[Finnegan]

This thread.

[Houdini Logic]

No, why do you ask?

 

I just find it interesting that you post so much about animal rights yet contribute massively to their suffering