dannythefox Posted 10 September 2012 Posted 10 September 2012 He wont come here when in 8/10 games time there will be prem jobs up for grabs when managers get the sack for not have a good start to the season!
Rincewind Posted 10 September 2012 Posted 10 September 2012 So the boo boo boys are coming up with names already?
Sickfox Posted 10 September 2012 Posted 10 September 2012 He is on borrowed time that's why and it wont be long before he is exposed yet again as a money grubbing barrow boy spiv on the take and dodging tax.. This ^^^^^ Why didn't he get the England Job? Same reason. Massive back handers from transfers being spent in the casino to avoid the tax man and feed his gambling habit at the same time.
topharry123 Posted 10 September 2012 Posted 10 September 2012 If Pearson doesn't work out then go for it, but right now we've had a faily decent start to the season and our performances have been solid. I would just let Pearson get on with the job if I were the owners right now.
Nick Posted 10 September 2012 Posted 10 September 2012 Aside from the very poor Sunday paper article is there any evidence of any substance for this wild stab in the dark? It's surely all a bit silly n'est pas?
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 DT I think you court contrversy a little too much, I often smile when you pop up because I know you will get the attention you are seeking. Arry Boy too big for our club..... we had an ex England Manager who managed across a world stage so that means your post is fundamentally flawed. Please keep up your attention seeking though it makes me smile and feel sympathy in equal measures Basically, we need a manager with Premiership experience, not only to build a successful Championship side, but one that with a few additions could cope at the top level. I have no desire to seek attention, but I do believe in speaking my mind. If this annoys some people, then that is their bad luck.
absolutelegend Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 If we are £54 million in debt to the Thai's, last thing we need is a new Mgr who's main tactic for success is spending - i.e. Redknapp
MrSpaM Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 Basically, we need a manager with Premiership experience, not only to build a successful Championship side, but one that with a few additions could cope at the top level. I have no desire to seek attention, but I do believe in speaking my mind. If this annoys some people, then that is their bad luck. Told you a million times Sven, you can't have your job back!
indierich06 Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 Basically, we need a manager with Premiership experience, not only to build a successful Championship side, but one that with a few additions could cope at the top level. I have no desire to seek attention, but I do believe in speaking my mind. If this annoys some people, then that is their bad luck. Yet again, the evidence proves your theory wrong - look at the managers who have taken teams up in the last 5 years and the experience they had when they did it: Southampton: Nigel Adkins - No PL experience Reading: McDermott - No PL experience West Ham: Allardyce - PL experience Swansea: Brendan Rodgers - No PL experience Norwich: Paul Lambert - No PL experience QPR: Neil Warnock - PL experience, but struggled in PL. Newcastle: Chris Houghton - No PL experience West Brom: Roberto Di Matteo - No PL experience Blackpool: Ian Holloway - No PL experience Birmingham: Steve Bruce - No PL experience Wolves: Mick McCarthy - PL experience, but struggled in PL Burnley: Owen Coyle - No PL experience Hull City: Phil Brown - No PL experience Stoke City: Tony Pulis - No PL experience West Brom: Tony Mowbray - No PL experience In the past 5 years, just three managers with PL experience have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, and it's also arguable that those three managers had very limited experience of the Premier League. So you'd like us to get in someone to get rid of the deadwood in our current squad and build a new squad to compete in the Championship which could also make the step up to the Premier League. Sounds like just what Nigel Pearson has been doing so far. We tried the big name and big spending with SGE. It categorically didn't work and I don't care if people think he should have been given more time - with that amount of investment he should have done a damn sight better than he did. It's inexcusable to spend that amount of money and not get results, when teams around you who have spent a fraction of that are outperforming your side.
Nick Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 Yet again, the evidence proves your theory wrong - look at the managers who have taken teams up in the last 5 years and the experience they had when they did it: Southampton: Nigel Adkins - No PL experience Reading: McDermott - No PL experience West Ham: Allardyce - PL experience Swansea: Brendan Rodgers - No PL experience Norwich: Paul Lambert - No PL experience QPR: Neil Warnock - PL experience, but struggled in PL. Newcastle: Chris Houghton - No PL experience West Brom: Roberto Di Matteo - No PL experience Blackpool: Ian Holloway - No PL experience Birmingham: Steve Bruce - No PL experience Wolves: Mick McCarthy - PL experience, but struggled in PL Burnley: Owen Coyle - No PL experience Hull City: Phil Brown - No PL experience Stoke City: Tony Pulis - No PL experience West Brom: Tony Mowbray - No PL experience In the past 5 years, just three managers with PL experience have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, and it's also arguable that those three managers had very limited experience of the Premier League. So you'd like us to get in someone to get rid of the deadwood in our current squad and build a new squad to compete in the Championship which could also make the step up to the Premier League. Sounds like just what Nigel Pearson has been doing so far. We tried the big name and big spending with SGE. It categorically didn't work and I don't care if people think he should have been given more time - with that amount of investment he should have done a damn sight better than he did. It's inexcusable to spend that amount of money and not get results, when teams around you who have spent a fraction of that are outperforming your side. This is a well constructed post. The thing is, you can't 'reason' with 'hate'. Pretty soon you'll just end up blocking, ignoring or just adding satirical comments directed at such posters as crafting an argument takes critical thought and relies on the recipient having and being willing to apply similar reflective and comprehension skills. Which sadly isn't the case in this instance.
Bryn Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 Yet again, the evidence proves your theory wrong - look at the managers who have taken teams up in the last 5 years and the experience they had when they did it: Southampton: Nigel Adkins - No PL experience Reading: McDermott - No PL experience West Ham: Allardyce - PL experience Swansea: Brendan Rodgers - No PL experience Norwich: Paul Lambert - No PL experience QPR: Neil Warnock - PL experience, but struggled in PL. Newcastle: Chris Houghton - No PL experience West Brom: Roberto Di Matteo - No PL experience Blackpool: Ian Holloway - No PL experience Birmingham: Steve Bruce - No PL experience Wolves: Mick McCarthy - PL experience, but struggled in PL Burnley: Owen Coyle - No PL experience Hull City: Phil Brown - No PL experience Stoke City: Tony Pulis - No PL experience West Brom: Tony Mowbray - No PL experience In the past 5 years, just three managers with PL experience have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, and it's also arguable that those three managers had very limited experience of the Premier League. So you'd like us to get in someone to get rid of the deadwood in our current squad and build a new squad to compete in the Championship which could also make the step up to the Premier League. Sounds like just what Nigel Pearson has been doing so far. We tried the big name and big spending with SGE. It categorically didn't work and I don't care if people think he should have been given more time - with that amount of investment he should have done a damn sight better than he did. It's inexcusable to spend that amount of money and not get results, when teams around you who have spent a fraction of that are outperforming your side. Another fantastic, fantastic example that the all the hard evidence is that chasing big names does NOTHING in terms of raising your promotion chances.
mannyzlcfc Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 Yet again, the evidence proves your theory wrong - look at the managers who have taken teams up in the last 5 years and the experience they had when they did it: Southampton: Nigel Adkins - No PL experience Reading: McDermott - No PL experience West Ham: Allardyce - PL experience Swansea: Brendan Rodgers - No PL experience Norwich: Paul Lambert - No PL experience QPR: Neil Warnock - PL experience, but struggled in PL. Newcastle: Chris Houghton - No PL experience West Brom: Roberto Di Matteo - No PL experience Blackpool: Ian Holloway - No PL experience Birmingham: Steve Bruce - No PL experience Wolves: Mick McCarthy - PL experience, but struggled in PL Burnley: Owen Coyle - No PL experience Hull City: Phil Brown - No PL experience Stoke City: Tony Pulis - No PL experience West Brom: Tony Mowbray - No PL experience In the past 5 years, just three managers with PL experience have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, and it's also arguable that those three managers had very limited experience of the Premier League. So you'd like us to get in someone to get rid of the deadwood in our current squad and build a new squad to compete in the Championship which could also make the step up to the Premier League. Sounds like just what Nigel Pearson has been doing so far. We tried the big name and big spending with SGE. It categorically didn't work and I don't care if people think he should have been given more time - with that amount of investment he should have done a damn sight better than he did. It's inexcusable to spend that amount of money and not get results, when teams around you who have spent a fraction of that are outperforming your side.
Guest Col city fan Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 Yet again, the evidence proves your theory wrong - look at the managers who have taken teams up in the last 5 years and the experience they had when they did it: Southampton: Nigel Adkins - No PL experience Reading: McDermott - No PL experience West Ham: Allardyce - PL experience Swansea: Brendan Rodgers - No PL experience Norwich: Paul Lambert - No PL experience QPR: Neil Warnock - PL experience, but struggled in PL. Newcastle: Chris Houghton - No PL experience West Brom: Roberto Di Matteo - No PL experience Blackpool: Ian Holloway - No PL experience Birmingham: Steve Bruce - No PL experience Wolves: Mick McCarthy - PL experience, but struggled in PL Burnley: Owen Coyle - No PL experience Hull City: Phil Brown - No PL experience Stoke City: Tony Pulis - No PL experience West Brom: Tony Mowbray - No PL experience In the past 5 years, just three managers with PL experience have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, and it's also arguable that those three managers had very limited experience of the Premier League. So you'd like us to get in someone to get rid of the deadwood in our current squad and build a new squad to compete in the Championship which could also make the step up to the Premier League. Sounds like just what Nigel Pearson has been doing so far. We tried the big name and big spending with SGE. It categorically didn't work and I don't care if people think he should have been given more time - with that amount of investment he should have done a damn sight better than he did. It's inexcusable to spend that amount of money and not get results, when teams around you who have spent a fraction of that are outperforming your side. You're posting some good stuff at the moment Rich. This makes a great argument. However, I think it's wasted on DT to be honest. I don't think he even wants to reason with you. Pearson could get promotion, win the Champions League and marry Jess Ennis... And I STILL think DT wouldn't be impressed.
indierich06 Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 You're posting some good stuff at the moment Rich. This makes a great argument. However, I think it's wasted on DT to be honest. I don't think he even wants to reason with you. Pearson could get promotion, win the Champions League and marry Jess Ennis... And I STILL think DT wouldn't be impressed. It comes in fits and starts haha. I wouldn't be impressed if he married Jess Ennis - I've got my eye on her!
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 You're posting some good stuff at the moment Rich. This makes a great argument. However, I think it's wasted on DT to be honest. I don't think he even wants to reason with you. Pearson could get promotion, win the Champions League and marry Jess Ennis... And I STILL think DT wouldn't be impressed. But if you look at that list. How many are still with those clubs? Quite a lot have failed at that level and have since moved on. DT does have a point to a degree from that list. Having said that though can you rate a managers chances through stats of others? Every manager is different and you only need look at the record of our most successful manager in recent times. Martin O'Neill had not managed at top level before he took us up.
indierich06 Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 But if you look at that list. How many are still with those clubs? Quite a lot have failed at that level and have since moved on. DT does have a point to a degree from that list. Having said that though can you rate a managers chances through stats of others? Every manager is different and you only need look at the record of our most successful manager in recent times. Martin O'Neill had not managed at top level before he took us up. How many of those sides are still in the PL? Obviously you can't judge the three teams promoted this season, but Swansea, Norwich, Newcastle, West Brom, QPR and Stoke are still all up there - they obviously didn't need a proven PL quality manager to stay in that league.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 How many of those sides are still in the PL? Obviously you can't judge the three teams promoted this season, but Swansea, Norwich, Newcastle, West Brom, QPR and Stoke are still all up there - they obviously didn't need a proven PL quality manager to stay in that league. West Brom, QPR & Newcastle all changed their managers in the first season back up though which tends to suggest that their boards thought that their managers were out of their depth at the top level.
Babylon Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 West Brom, QPR & Newcastle all changed their managers in the first season back up though which tends to suggest that their boards thought that their managers were out of their depth at the top level. So basically we need to get a good premier league manager proven to get teams out of this league, proven to keep teams in the premier league, and proven to do well with them also. I'm sure there are loads of candidates fitting this criteria.
indierich06 Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 West Brom, QPR & Newcastle all changed their managers in the first season back up though which tends to suggest that their boards thought that their managers were out of their depth at the top level. Yes, and then they were in a position to attract a better class of manager. What Dangerous Tiger wants us to do is akin to asking Wayne Rooney to come and play for us in the Championship so that when we get promoted we'll have a decent Premier League team. It doesn't work like that. When your stature as a club changes, you're able to attract a higher calibre of player - the same goes with managers. Also, to go back to your earlier point, although those managers may not be with the same clubs, not only are some of them still in the Premier League, some have gone onto bigger clubs - Lambert to Villa, Rodgers to Liverpool, Di Matteo to Chelsea, so it's not like all of them were out of their depth in that league.
Mack Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 Yes, and then they were in a position to attract a better class of manager. What Dangerous Tiger wants us to do is akin to asking Wayne Rooney to come and play for us in the Championship so that when we get promoted we'll have a decent Premier League team. It doesn't work like that. When your stature as a club changes, you're able to attract a higher calibre of player - the same goes with managers. Also, to go back to your earlier point, although those managers may not be with the same clubs, not only are some of them still in the Premier League, some have gone onto bigger clubs - Lambert to Villa, Rodgers to Liverpool, Di Matteo to Chelsea, so it's not like all of them were out of their depth in that league. It can do... for example Nolan at Wet spam.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 So basically we need to get a good premier league manager proven to get teams out of this league, proven to keep teams in the premier league, and proven to do well with them also. I'm sure there are loads of candidates fitting this criteria. If you read the other posts I have put you will see I am not saying that. I am just stating that statistically DT has a point. I still worry that NP would be able to take us any further than getting to the Prem as I am still unsure how well he handles egos. However we have to get there first before addressing that situation and if he does, I believe he would then deserve the chance to have a crack at the Prem.
Dan Posted 11 September 2012 Author Posted 11 September 2012 Yet again, the evidence proves your theory wrong - look at the managers who have taken teams up in the last 5 years and the experience they had when they did it: Southampton: Nigel Adkins - No PL experience Reading: McDermott - No PL experience West Ham: Allardyce - PL experience Swansea: Brendan Rodgers - No PL experience Norwich: Paul Lambert - No PL experience QPR: Neil Warnock - PL experience, but struggled in PL. Newcastle: Chris Houghton - No PL experience West Brom: Roberto Di Matteo - No PL experience Blackpool: Ian Holloway - No PL experience Birmingham: Steve Bruce - No PL experience Wolves: Mick McCarthy - PL experience, but struggled in PL Burnley: Owen Coyle - No PL experience Hull City: Phil Brown - No PL experience Stoke City: Tony Pulis - No PL experience West Brom: Tony Mowbray - No PL experience In the past 5 years, just three managers with PL experience have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, and it's also arguable that those three managers had very limited experience of the Premier League. So you'd like us to get in someone to get rid of the deadwood in our current squad and build a new squad to compete in the Championship which could also make the step up to the Premier League. Sounds like just what Nigel Pearson has been doing so far. We tried the big name and big spending with SGE. It categorically didn't work and I don't care if people think he should have been given more time - with that amount of investment he should have done a damn sight better than he did. It's inexcusable to spend that amount of money and not get results, when teams around you who have spent a fraction of that are outperforming your side. Another top post from you there, people panic so, so easily about this side it's untrue.
Dan Posted 11 September 2012 Author Posted 11 September 2012 Yes, and then they were in a position to attract a better class of manager. What Dangerous Tiger wants us to do is akin to asking Wayne Rooney to come and play for us in the Championship so that when we get promoted we'll have a decent Premier League team. It doesn't work like that. When your stature as a club changes, you're able to attract a higher calibre of player - the same goes with managers. Also, to go back to your earlier point, although those managers may not be with the same clubs, not only are some of them still in the Premier League, some have gone onto bigger clubs - Lambert to Villa, Rodgers to Liverpool, Di Matteo to Chelsea, so it's not like all of them were out of their depth in that league. The calibre comment is very true and people think that it no longer applies to us because of what Sven did here. He did bring in some players I must admit I never would've dreamed of getting, the main one being Yakubu, but Sven was a serious one-off with his pulling power and unfortunately he had no idea how to use these players - why spend more money on players which you can't even use properly?
Bluetintedspecs Posted 11 September 2012 Posted 11 September 2012 Yet again, the evidence proves your theory wrong - look at the managers who have taken teams up in the last 5 years and the experience they had when they did it: Southampton: Nigel Adkins - No PL experience Reading: McDermott - No PL experience West Ham: Allardyce - PL experience Swansea: Brendan Rodgers - No PL experience Norwich: Paul Lambert - No PL experience QPR: Neil Warnock - PL experience, but struggled in PL. Newcastle: Chris Houghton - No PL experience West Brom: Roberto Di Matteo - No PL experience Blackpool: Ian Holloway - No PL experience Birmingham: Steve Bruce - No PL experience Wolves: Mick McCarthy - PL experience, but struggled in PL Burnley: Owen Coyle - No PL experience Hull City: Phil Brown - No PL experience Stoke City: Tony Pulis - No PL experience West Brom: Tony Mowbray - No PL experience In the past 5 years, just three managers with PL experience have gotten teams promoted from the Championship, and it's also arguable that those three managers had very limited experience of the Premier League. So you'd like us to get in someone to get rid of the deadwood in our current squad and build a new squad to compete in the Championship which could also make the step up to the Premier League. Sounds like just what Nigel Pearson has been doing so far. We tried the big name and big spending with SGE. It categorically didn't work and I don't care if people think he should have been given more time - with that amount of investment he should have done a damn sight better than he did. It's inexcusable to spend that amount of money and not get results, when teams around you who have spent a fraction of that are outperforming your side. was going to post something similar Rich not as detailed in truth
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