5waller5 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 For what is worth it looks quite simple to me. Pearson said he had looked but none of the targets are available (loaners) so Waghorn will play, if he is not scoring by the new year and/or if Nugget is still unfit we have to bring someone in who WILL do a job up front, I nearly put even if it means the return of Beckford but I won't If it gets to January and the situation is unchanged i think the majority will be glad to see him back by then!!!!
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 If only we'd signed Yakubu. Or got Hesky back
kingfox Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 What you rather they argued over baseless conjecture? Can argue over Waghorn if they want, but it's been going on for ages, not just in this Waghorn thread, in every thread about Waghorn it ends up turning itself into a slagging match. Are we now bitching about if you should or shouldn't read a thread Up to you might be more interesting Probably don't be surprised that people are talking about "Waghorn" in a "Waghorn" thread is exactly my point. "Even getting stats out" ..... Stats not allowed then?? Someone had better tell Sky, the BBC, and almost anyone that talks about football ..... it really is nothing new!!! It's getting all too much, getting stats out is the end of the line. That's when people go overboard on things they shouldn't get wound up about. Sky and BBC that's there job, but we are only on a forum, posting all those stats is quite sad.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 If it gets to January and the situation is unchanged i think the majority will be glad to see him back by then!!!! He will have had his chance, and by then if you hit the bar it will be know as a Wagger
Carl the Llama Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Can argue over Waghorn if they want, but it's been going on for ages, not just in this Waghorn thread, in every thread about Waghorn it ends up turning itself into a slagging match. Welcome to FT
5waller5 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 If only we'd signed Yakubu. This .... and people didn't want him because they wanted someone to run around a lot - the Yak was too lazy compared to Waggy!
5waller5 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Can argue over Waghorn if they want, but it's been going on for ages, not just in this Waghorn thread, in every thread about Waghorn it ends up turning itself into a slagging match. Up to you might be more interesting It's getting all too much, getting stats out is the end of the line. That's when people go overboard on things they shouldn't get wound up about. Sky and BBC that's there job, but we are only on a forum, posting all those stats is quite sad. Or a way to sense-check that your point is backed up with the only facts available. He will have had his chance, and by then if you hit the bar it will be know as a Wagger And at half time they'll play "Waghorn Challenge"!!
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Simple answer for waghorn, just rename the kop to the barn door end, then with any luck he'd miss that and the only place left for the ball to end up is in the back of the net. That's cruel but made my laugh
funkyrobot Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 I like waggy, he's been unlucky with some of his finishing and at times has lacked a bit of composure at the crucial stage. The fact that he is getting opportunities to score is a good sign and for me his general play justifies a role in this current squad. He was treated badly under Sven's regime, then suffered a long term injury so I still think there is much more to come from him. He just needs a bit of luck in front of goal and I'm sure he'll start scoring more regularly.
kingfox Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Or a way to sense-check that your point is backed up with the only facts available. Getting stats out like all his appearances and goals from his season's with us, is desperate.
5waller5 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Getting stats out like all his appearances and goals from his season's with us, is desperate. Or a way to sense check that you're not talking bollocks ..... try it.
Captain... Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Maybe you didn't see the minutes analysis of Waghorn (blazes over) season. I didn't see that when I wrote my post, but I was responding do your post assessing his whole career, including the season he signed for us and played under the woeful sousa then was used as a sub by Sven, so played a very small part in a lot of games. You want to talk about this season we can, he has not scored enough goals, not going to argue with that, he has played well and contributed to a number of our wins, but it is tight games like Leeds, wolves and forest where his misses resulted in us dropping points. But I his general all round play has been good, very good, but with Nugent a few more weeks one of him vardy or futacs need to contribute with goals.
Mark_w Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 In The Championship 54 Starts (Including some on the wing) 49 Substitute Appearances (Of any length) Goals: 20 That’s about 0.37 goals per start in the Championship, not an awful record, certainly better than Beckford. Under Pearson (Leicester + Hull) 15 in 62 league games including starts and substitute appearance. So that’s 1 in 4 even if you decide to include substitute appearances. If you stretch that out over 46 games he’ll get us about 12 league goals. Not great but if you take into account his overall contribution it seems more than good enough to me for him to be at least 3rd choice. Plus he’s still 22.
5waller5 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 In The Championship 54 Starts (Including some on the wing) 49 Substitute Appearances (Of any length) Goals: 20 That’s about 0.37 goals per start in the Championship, not an awful record, certainly better than Beckford. Under Pearson (Leicester + Hull) 15 in 62 league games including starts and substitute appearance. So that’s 1 in 4 even if you decide to include substitute appearances. If you stretch that out over 46 games he’ll get us about 12 league goals. Not great but if you take into account his overall contribution it seems more than good enough to me for him to be at least 3rd choice. Plus he’s still 22. Oh dear - you seem to have included the goals he's scored as a sub but not the appearance - mistake or manipulation??
Mark_w Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Oh dear - you seem to have included the goals he's scored as a sub but not the appearance - mistake or manipulation?? I didn't include it in the calculation, but I added it in to the Pearson stats for you.
Ely fox Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 I like the fact that he trys quite hard in games, but think Waghorn is not good enough for this level. His level is about divison one or two imo. His finishing for a striker is woeful. Time to play Futacs now, waghorn has had alot of chances to score goals and he is not delivering the goals we need. If we rely on nugent to get us up i think we will fall short.
kingfox Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 In The Championship 54 Starts (Including some on the wing) 49 Substitute Appearances (Of any length) Goals: 20 That’s about 0.37 goals per start in the Championship, not an awful record, certainly better than Beckford. Under Pearson (Leicester + Hull) 15 in 62 league games including starts and substitute appearance. So that’s 1 in 4 even if you decide to include substitute appearances. If you stretch that out over 46 games he’ll get us about 12 league goals. Not great but if you take into account his overall contribution it seems more than good enough to me for him to be at least 3rd choice. Plus he’s still 22.
Guest Col city fan Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Wouldn't it be great if it was that simple, if you could just buy a 'big name' striker on deadline day, give him £20,000+ a week and watch him fire you to the Premier League. We've only had two out of those three in recent years though. Yes you can, of course you can! You just have to get the right one and play him in the right way. Reading did it last season with Roberts and LeFondre. Southampton did it with Billy Sharp. West Ham signed Vaz Te. Waghorn is a good young player. He's strong and wants to play for the football club. Great. What he isn't is a clinical finisher. I'm amazed (no I'm not thinking about it.....) that people can't see this. I think we are two, just two players away from being a side who can compete for the top two positions. We need a cool finisher and we need a second battling midfielder to supplement the existing ones. The right signings soon and we won't be far off. Without them I think we will just miss out.
5waller5 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Oh dear - you seem to have included the goals he's scored as a sub but not the appearance - mistake or manipulation?? In The Championship 54 Starts (Including some on the wing) 49 Substitute Appearances (Of any length) Goals: 20 That’s about 0.37 goals per start in the Championship, not an awful record, certainly better than Beckford. Under Pearson (Leicester + Hull) 15 in 62 league games including starts and substitute appearance. So that’s 1 in 4 even if you decide to include substitute appearances. If you stretch that out over 46 games he’ll get us about 12 league goals. Not great but if you take into account his overall contribution it seems more than good enough to me for him to be at least 3rd choice. Plus he’s still 22. In short, what you're saying is that during his very best periods, and taking out his troughs (of a season here or there) .... he scores at a rate of about 12 goals a season. Not great is it?
Babylon Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 In short, what you're saying is that during his very best periods, and taking out his troughs (of a season here or there) .... he scores at a rate of about 12 goals a season. Not great is it? No he says that when playing under a manager who likes him, a manager he likes. Someone who plays him in his correct position and gets him playing quite well he does ok. People said this about Beckford and Grayson.
dannythefox Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 I really dont get why people are having ago about waggy he's starting to look like his old self again he's hit the woodwork 3times in the last 3games also got an assist and a goal if they all went in people would be saying hes a world beater!
bluesbrothers Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Oh boy, we lost, time to hop on the Waggy hate bus again... Seriously, I've never seen a player that has shown FT users up for the two-faced twats they are more than Martin Waghorn.
dog_4 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Exaxctly smashed the crossbar in the last two away games, one of the inside of the post against ipswich and one off the line against forest. saying his finishing is poor when he's hitting the target, getting assists, being the only striker that can hold the ball up and get our creative midfielders involved, along with the fact his technique against leeds to hit the crossbar was world class. Its Hilarious fans saying he's a league 1/2 player. He's complementing Nugent better then anyone else also. Give him time and the ball will go 1 inch inside the post and that man weren't be on the line. That would be like 5 goals in 7! Its just bad luck really.
indierich06 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Waghorn (blazes over) Haha! Hilarious! Oh wait, it's actually about as funny as cancer. Why do you think that?? He's scored 19 in 103 appearances in his whole pro career. Take anytime frame and any measure you choose and he's not good enough and certainly not good enough to be a £3m player spearheading our drive into the premiership. No-one is saying he should be leading the ****ing line. Nugent is doing that, admirably. If he carries on at this rate he'll have hit about 15-20 by the end of this season. Vardy and Waghorn are doing the job of facilitating him and chipping in with the occasional goal themselves, while the rest of the team is chipping in too. Why are you so worried about our goals tally? We've got one of the best goal differences in the league and we've scored in almost every game. There are goals throughout this team, we're not relying on Martyn Waghorn to fire us into the PL. Whether Waghorn is good enough or not is a complete non-issue - this team as a whole is good enough. Our midfield is more than good enough to score 20+ goals between them, all it would need is 4 goals from King, Dyer, Knockaert, Drinks and Marshall respectively. There aren't many other teams in this league who can count on goals from all over the team.
5waller5 Posted 29 November 2012 Posted 29 November 2012 Haha! Hilarious! Oh wait, it's actually about as funny as cancer. No-one is saying he should be leading the ****ing line. Nugent is doing that, admirably. If he carries on at this rate he'll have hit about 15-20 by the end of this season. Vardy and Waghorn are doing the job of facilitating him and chipping in with the occasional goal themselves, while the rest of the team is chipping in too. Why are you so worried about our goals tally? We've got one of the best goal differences in the league and we've scored in almost every game. There are goals throughout this team, we're not relying on Martyn Waghorn to fire us into the PL. Whether Waghorn is good enough or not is a complete non-issue - this team as a whole is good enough. Our midfield is more than good enough to score 20+ goals between them, all it would need is 4 goals from King, Dyer, Knockaert, Drinks and Marshall respectively. There aren't many other teams in this league who can count on goals from all over the team. Yep .... everything's perfect .... best shut the forum ... nothing to discuss. And Waghorn's strike rate of 1 in every 5 games is going to definitely get us promotion.
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