Bilbo Posted 18 November 2012 Share Posted 18 November 2012 This thread is embarrassing. I'm pleased that the lad managed to score yesterday but he has the same amount of goals as Futacs (in the league) who has had a fraction of the game time Waghorn has had so lets not get carried away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozleicester Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 Work! small office, but at least private, to quiet an area but at least its quiet its lunch time, 25 degrees and cloudy I just figured the general discussion bored me... so im attempting a very poor hijack- i should have just done a poor pun.. that would do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayfox Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 Yeah it's a team game, but at the end of the day a striker gets paid to score goals. I know he may be making goals, but Waghorn (and the other strikers at the club) will need to start chipping in with the goals because we can't keep relying on Nugent. Take it you never saw cottee, claridge or marshall play with heskey then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 I've just woke up and due to the 2 pints of berocca before bed last night I'm feeling good Anyway the reason I made this was because what people were saying about Waggy was beyond the norm. Terms of he's absolute shite, worst striker at the club, needs to be sold etc etc etc were being touted about. Those sorts is who this thread was aimed at, as most people with a footballing brain could tell that Waggy was getting better and better with each game he played. I'm all for debate on players performances and talent, I myself can't stand Whitbread and think he's the worst centre back we've got but some of the stuff being said about Waggy was just plain wrong as has been proved in his run in the team. Arguably our most influential attacking player in the past 3 games, seems to be at the heart of everything we create. Remember trust in :pearson: :pearson: :pearson: So it's bang out of order to slag off Waghorn, then you go on to say that Whitbread is the 'worst CB we've got' after a handful of games when he was playing premier league football last season. Beggars belief. So Waghorn managed to score a goal at last. Big deal. He makes Beckford look like a superstar.! One goal after God knows how many games, and now he's a great player. I don't think so. Division one at best, if not two. That is my view, like it or not. . Surprise, surprise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 So Waghorn managed to score a goal at last. Big deal. He makes Beckford look like a superstar.! One goal after God knows how many games, and now he's a great player. I don't think so. Division one at best, if not two. That is my view, like it or not. I'm sure there's someone it reminds me of, might have been last season, one goal in god knows how long, League One player, might have been paid god knows how much more money than Waghorn and contributed much less if memory serves me correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burmesefox Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 Well, here I am. I always thought Waggy had completely lost it and we should get rid. I hoped and prayed i would be wrong but felt he just wasn't technically good enough. I think he has lost a little weight and gained a lot of speed. To me this is the difference in him getting that touch and making that tackle/pass/shot. Time will tell but it looks like the future is bright for Waggy. Last few games he has looked sharp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxLAD Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 I've never 'hated' Waggy i knew he was a decent player but i felt loaning him out would of done him some good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 Take it you never saw cottee, claridge or marshall play with heskey then. Believe it or not, no. But I still stand by my original point, strikers still need to chip in with a few. I know there are target men, like Heskey, that can get away with creating goals, but how often is Waghorn going to do this as well? I've got more confidence in Nugent then any of our other strikers in terms of scoring goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 So Waghorn managed to score a goal at last. Big deal. He makes Beckford look like a superstar.! One goal after God knows how many games, and now he's a great player. I don't think so. Division one at best, if not two. That is my view, like it or not. DT does make an intresting point... wether he intended to or not.... Beckford is railroaded with scoring only 9 or twelve goals depending wether you like cup games or not.... Waggy scores one and everyone loves him again... Waggy is definitely going to make it hard for Vardy to get back into the team... Sadly i can imagine a Waghorn injury will solve that issue! I think we need to blow up our training ground or something as it feels like we get alot of long term injuries.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 These threads are so ridiculous. You can't say "I told you so" after a couple of games. It's on par with those who say that Pearson should be sacked after 3 poor games, or those who say that we are going to win the league after we string a few wins together. No, I'm not a big Waghorn fan (not a hater, just don't think he should be a starter). Yes, he has been playing very well recently, and currently deserves to start. But it's been a few games. If he carries on the season on form, then I will hold up my hands and say that I'm wrong, but I'm not fickle enough to change my opinion after a few games. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 I'm sure there's someone it reminds me of, might have been last season, one goal in god knows how long, League One player, might have been paid god knows how much more money than Waghorn and contributed much less if memory serves me correct. You mean someone that was generally derided by most "fans" as not good enough because he only scored 15 goals (in all competitions) in a season?? Let's just see if Waggy scores 15 this season and then you can bask in the glory of being oh so right ..... It's a little early to gloat - is it one goal in 600 odd minutes so far??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_w Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 You mean someone that was generally derided by most "fans" as not good enough because he only scored 15 goals (in all competitions) in a season?? Let's just see if Waggy scores 15 this season and then you can bask in the glory of being oh so right ..... It's a little early to gloat - is it one goal in 600 odd minutes so far??? I said he should go because he didn't do enough to justify his wages in terms of goals and all round contribution. Waghorn earns less and contributes more and I imagine has a very good chance of beating Beckford's nine league goals. But yes we'll have to wait and see, I was merely pointing out that while the comparison was being made between Waggy this season and Beckford last that it took Beckford about this long to get his first goal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 I said he should go because he didn't do enough to justify his wages in terms of goals and all round contribution. Waghorn earns less and contributes more and I imagine has a very good chance of beating Beckford's nine league goals. But yes we'll have to wait and see, I was merely pointing out that while the comparison was being made between Waggy this season and Beckford last that it took Beckford about this long to get his first goal as well. I can't comment because I don't know what they earn - can you PM me with Waggy's salary package details and Beckford's so i can compare the value proposition for myself??? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingPowerLCFC1884 Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 Never slated him, great player. We knew he was all along.... You don't score 14 goals in your first season if your crap! Lets laugh in the face of the armchair supporters, how is soccer Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 I can't comment because I don't know what they earn - can you PM me with Waggy's salary package details and Beckford's so i can compare the value proposition for myself??? Thanks. Beckford was derided originally for his all round play, my original comments on him never mentioned his goals at all. As the season started to draw to a close though it became clear he was never going to be a Yakubu, where the number of goals he scores means you can overlook how shitty the rest of his game is. I believe mentioning his 9 league goals all started when people began making the "stupid fans prefer people like Hume and Dickov who just run about" remarks. So it became a nice little come back to point out Ian Hume scored more than 9 league goals for us every season I think even in struggling teams, and that Dickov scored considerably more than 9 league goals. As I said at the start of the season, if Waghorn, Vardy, Schlupp only ended up with 8 or 9 league goals it doesn't really matter. Because you know you are going to get so much more form them for the team in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charl91 Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 Beckford was derided originally for his all round play, my original comments on him never mentioned his goals at all. As the season started to draw to a close though it became clear he was never going to be a Yakubu, where the number of goals he scores means you can overlook how shitty the rest of his game is. I believe mentioning his 9 league goals all started when people began making the "stupid fans prefer people like Hume and Dickov who just run about" remarks. So it became a nice little come back to point out Ian Hume scored more than 9 league goals for us every season I think even in struggling teams, and that Dickov scored considerably more than 9 league goals. As I said at the start of the season, if Waghorn, Vardy, Schlupp only ended up with 8 or 9 league goals it doesn't really matter. Because you know you are going to get so much more form them for the team in other ways. I don't think you quite said "league goals" enough. See if you can crowbar it in a few more times! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 I don't think you quite said "league goals" enough. See if you can crowbar it in a few more times! People are constantly talking about strikers good enough to get us out of this league, and in this league he scored 9 league goals. That's a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 Waggys all round contribution has never been better. Set up nuges second goal and also provided a vracking pass to dyer for knockys. He may not score 15 this season but nuge looks on course for 20 providing he stays fit, then theres knocky, dyer king marshall and vardy chipping in. Nowt to worry about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weller in Tights Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 As many have said before on here its all about opinions. For me: Nugent is currently the best striker at the club. Vardy appears to try like mad, but I just feel he is a bit lightweight Futacs? the little I've seen of him hasn't been that promising, but willing to be convinced Therefore, Waghorn is in, if we are playing two strikers. But honestly.. despite all this "I've always loved him" by everyone, I personally would prefer Beckford, I just feel he has more natural ability (ok quote all the statistics you like, that's my opinion). Oh yeah, I do like it when Pearson plays Knocky in the hole behind Nugent. And finally. Schlupp, what a fantastic left back!!!! has he talked himself out of contention as an attacker??? with his left back displays?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seenitall Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 I guess we need 20+ from a striker to be considered great for us, mid teens is acceptable so in that basis I am happy to accept Beckford failed the test last season and Nuge just about passed. However, in this 'much improved' side, where Nuge has almost doubled his tally for this stage last season, isn"t even a little bit tempting to think what might have been if Jermaine could have done the same - could have been on 40+ between them for the season???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl the Llama Posted 19 November 2012 Share Posted 19 November 2012 I guess we need 20+ from a striker to be considered great for us, mid teens is acceptable so in that basis I am happy to accept Beckford failed the test last season and Nuge just about passed. However, in this 'much improved' side, where Nuge has almost doubled his tally for this stage last season, isn"t even a little bit tempting to think what might have been if Jermaine could have done the same - could have been on 40+ between them for the season???? I see what you're getting at, but it's been said so many times now: his work rate is why he didn't gel with the team. Using the point you made about Nuge, why do you think it is that he's been so much more prolific this season already? Imo it's because we usually have Nugent and another striker both working their bollocks off which means more/better opportunities arise for Nuge to put away. With Becks alongside him Nuge's goal tally would diminish as suddenly the opposition defence aren't being made to work as much. If Vardy or Waggy were up with Becks there would be less opportunities for goals because Beckford doesn't make the effort that Nuge does. The final option is a Waggy/Vardy partnership which would be hugely encouraging w/r to work rate, but it's Nuge's quality and enthusiasm that really makes either of those guys' work pay off on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 20 November 2012 Share Posted 20 November 2012 Beckford was derided originally for his all round play, my original comments on him never mentioned his goals at all. As the season started to draw to a close though it became clear he was never going to be a Yakubu, where the number of goals he scores means you can overlook how shitty the rest of his game is. I believe mentioning his 9 league goals all started when people began making the "stupid fans prefer people like Hume and Dickov who just run about" remarks. So it became a nice little come back to point out Ian Hume scored more than 9 league goals for us every season I think even in struggling teams, and that Dickov scored considerably more than 9 league goals. As I said at the start of the season, if Waghorn, Vardy, Schlupp only ended up with 8 or 9 league goals it doesn't really matter. Because you know you are going to get so much more form them for the team in other ways. And you're making that point to me because???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOCCERROO FOX Posted 20 November 2012 Share Posted 20 November 2012 When a thread is started at 3:42am there's 99% chance it's a drunken rant. Or they live in Australia or in my case drunk and in Australia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 20 November 2012 Share Posted 20 November 2012 Or they live in Australia or in my case drunk and in Australia Ah, touche. This one is definitely just a British drunken rant though In fact the title just makes me think of this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_8JLkwzpd0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 20 November 2012 Share Posted 20 November 2012 And you're making that point to me because???? Because you were the one saying this... You mean someone that was generally derided by most "fans" as not good enough because he only scored 15 goals (in all competitions) in a season?? Let's just see if Waggy scores 15 this season and then you can bask in the glory of being oh so right ..... It's a little early to gloat - is it one goal in 600 odd minutes so far??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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