seenitall Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 If you look at the season on the whole then I say the team/club has gone forwards not backwards. We was unlucky in some of those games, we still played some pretty good football, fine margins my friend fine margins. I am glad you think that we have gone forward and we do have 2 more points than last season and one more than the season before so technically that is something we can be proud of but taking the team from the Peterborough game onwards it has been woeful and having strikers that don't score for 17 games (Beckford never went as long for us) or who lose 20+ goal scoring form weeks after joining us suggest something very wrong - why can't anyone see it?
Babylon Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 Can I just point out to people who keep going on about our last awful 18 games that during that time we did actually beat Blackburn, Bolton and Forest, Whilst drawing away to Palace, Cardiff and Brighton. So there were at the very least 6 half decent performances in there.
ealingfox Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 Not at all, read the post (it seems to have confused some of you). had the good stuff come at the end then there would be a case for NP having turned misfortune into fortune but it didn't.........it came at the end. Why is this difficult? What's the difference? Whatever order the contrasting forms came in it still proves Nigel is capable of top 2 football. If you think the slump was 100% down to Pearson then fair enough, you won't be convinced otherwise, but I think there were other factors involved and I think Nigel and the players will take lessons from this season and come back stronger next season.
seenitall Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 What's the difference? Whatever order the contrasting forms came in it still proves Nigel is capable of top 2 football. If you think the slump was 100% down to Pearson then fair enough, you won't be convinced otherwise, but I think there were other factors involved and I think Nigel and the players will take lessons from this season and come back stronger next season. He can't take credit for getting us stability and top 2 earlier in the season and accept no responsibility for (whatever Babylon thinks) the abject failure and relegation form of those 18 games, including home defeats and the failure to score of both of his chosen strikers.......if it is all just luck, good or bad, sack him and invest the million a year he costs into another player
whoareyaaa Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 He can't take credit for getting us stability and top 2 earlier in the season and accept no responsibility for (whatever Babylon thinks) the abject failure and relegation form of those 18 games, including home defeats and the failure to score of both of his chosen strikers.......if it is all just luck, good or bad, sack him and invest the million a year he costs into another player What about the young squad he has invested into for a pittance that have managed to be in the top 6 for 99% of the season, What about the clearing out of players on huge sums of money that we're brought by a previous clown... is that not going forwards or backwards? Just imagine if we still had all those players here surely the club would be looking towards administration again?
ealingfox Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 What about the young squad he has invested into for a pittance that have managed to be in the top 6 for 99% of the season, What about the clearing out of players on huge sums of money that we're brought by a previous clown... is that not going forwards or backwards? Just imagine if we still had all those players here surely the club would be looking towards administration again? Exactly. Unfortunately for some in his second tenure Nigel has improved results whilst keeping an eye on the finances, so we should be happy for the opportunity for that to continue to be given.
seenitall Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 What about the young squad he has invested into for a pittance that have managed to be in the top 6 for 99% of the season, What about the clearing out of players on huge sums of money that we're brought by a previous clown... is that not going forwards or backwards? Just imagine if we still had all those players here surely the club would be looking towards administration again? But justifying mediocrity by stating that it USED to be worse (actually in your opinion) or could be worse is what keeps him in a job when he really isn't good enough.......we'll never agree. I wonder how much his 'value' squad is worth when none of the strikers he bought can hit a barn door, the midfielders look knackered and we have one quality defender who is heading for his mid 30's Also, you can't call spending several million on a squad a pittance in this division......most of the players cost in the region of a mill and Knocky substantially more (by all accounts) would you pay a million for Drinkwater, Vardy, Marshall? You would be hard pushed to get anything for them and right now you might just get your money back on Wood. Wes would be worth lots if he wasn't an old man but he is........Knocky probably lopped about £100k a pass in the Watford game (did any of them reach a City player?) off his value and a mill for the penalty. It's just how you look at things....I think we have been mid table fodder bar two five game runs this season and we were last season too...maybe he has a magic wand but I think we stand to lose several players (either through age or transfer) that we will struggle to replace. we have not replaced Knonch and now he is too slow, have no recognised quality CB apart from Wes and still have a 'midfield lite'. Add that to a handful of strikers who can't score and it doesn't look quite as rosy as you think
whoareyaaa Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 But justifying mediocrity by stating that it USED to be worse (actually in your opinion) or could be worse is what keeps him in a job when he really isn't good enough.......we'll never agree. I wonder how much his 'value' squad is worth when none of the strikers he bought can hit a barn door, the midfielders look knackered and we have one quality defender who is heading for his mid 30's Also, you can't call spending several million on a squad a pittance in this division......most of the players cost in the region of a mill and Knocky substantially more (by all accounts) would you pay a million for Drinkwater, Vardy, Marshall? You would be hard pushed to get anything for them and right now you might just get your money back on Wood. Wes would be worth lots if he wasn't an old man but he is........Knocky probably lopped about £100k a pass in the Watford game (did any of them reach a City player?) off his value and a mill for the penalty. It's just how you look at things....I think we have been mid table fodder bar two five game runs this season and we were last season too...maybe he has a magic wand but I think we stand to lose several players (either through age or transfer) that we will struggle to replace. we have not replaced Knonch and now he is too slow, have no recognised quality CB apart from Wes and still have a 'midfield lite'. Add that to a handful of strikers who can't score and it doesn't look quite as rosy as you think You seem to keep looking at the bad run of form instead of the whole season though, If I was thinking like you then we should be a top of the league team after our 14 wins. Value? James, Drinkwater, De Laet, Morgan have only increased in value they certainty haven't lost any, Knockeart, Wood, Marshall are still young so no matter what will hold there value and only increase if they progress. Strikers not hitting a barn door? 20 goals for one 16 for the other not to shabby to be honest. One bad signing Vardy who hasn't really done much but its not like he has been playing game in game out. the majority of these players are still under 23 so will only improve and increase in value. Matt Mills and Jermaine Beckford probably cost us more than all the players mentioned above and look whats happened to them? Next season if he does stay then im pretty sure the following players will be gone and replaced with better talent: Gallagher, Wellens, Vardy, Waghorn, Futacs, Whitebread All I am seeing here is forward progress certainty not backwards like you seem to think.
Happy Fox Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 We have made progress but not enough, this season was all about promotion NP has been given the tools to do so you cannot say he hasn't and has failed in that respect. The Thais are going to have a hard long think about whether NP is the man to get us promotion (automatically) next season but imo he hasn't got the ability to do so all we will be is a team in the playoffs which isn't good enough.
hackneyfox Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 Slate him for what exactly? Oh, and the Mercury doesn't qualify as "press", anyway. Rednapp not Pearson
whoareyaaa Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 We have made progress but not enough, this season was all about promotion NP has been given the tools to do so you cannot say he hasn't and has failed in that respect. The Thais are going to have a hard long think about whether NP is the man to get us promotion (automatically) next season but imo he hasn't got the ability to do so all we will be is a team in the playoffs which isn't good enough. If Knockeart had put that penalty away this thread would not even be alive, you can't blame Pearson because a player can't put a ball in the back of net from 10 yards out, or the three other mistakes from players which cost us 7/10 points. & He hasn't been given any tools Sven was given the tools and pissed it straight up the wall, Pearson has had to paper over the cracks.
Corky Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 Rednapp not Pearson Beats me, think the bloke has got away with a lot this season, both in results and comments about his squad.
hackneyfox Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 ffs where is it a written law of life and football that youngsters will improve? How many kids have played a couple of games for their first teams (any club not just us) and ended up playing non-league football 2 seasons later? A lot more than those who go on to play regularly for the first team in a decent side.
Father Ted Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 But justifying mediocrity by stating that it USED to be worse (actually in your opinion) or could be worse is what keeps him in a job when he really isn't good enough.......we'll never agree. I wonder how much his 'value' squad is worth when none of the strikers he bought can hit a barn door, the midfielders look knackered and we have one quality defender who is heading for his mid 30's Also, you can't call spending several million on a squad a pittance in this division......most of the players cost in the region of a mill and Knocky substantially more (by all accounts) would you pay a million for Drinkwater, Vardy, Marshall? You would be hard pushed to get anything for them and right now you might just get your money back on Wood. Wes would be worth lots if he wasn't an old man but he is........Knocky probably lopped about £100k a pass in the Watford game (did any of them reach a City player?) off his value and a mill for the penalty. It's just how you look at things....I think we have been mid table fodder bar two five game runs this season and we were last season too...maybe he has a magic wand but I think we stand to lose several players (either through age or transfer) that we will struggle to replace. we have not replaced Knonch and now he is too slow, have no recognised quality CB apart from Wes and still have a 'midfield lite'. Add that to a handful of strikers who can't score and it doesn't look quite as rosy as you think Can you stop hiding behind the 'we were poor for the last 1/3rd of the season? A run in which we beat Blackburn, Bolton and Forest, gained creditable points at Cardiff, Brighton and Palace (all matches in which our performances deserved victories) and other matches like Millwall (when Wes was sent off), Peterborough, Blackpool and Birmingham in which we could have easily gained more points. From that run alone, and I believe with more LUCK, we would have had 13 more points. I genuinely believe this season has been cursed and was never meant to be and the events on Sunday really did sum up our season. We have certainly lost more points than we have deserved to get in comparison to the amount we have 'smash and grabbed'. What are you on about 'Knocky took about a million off his valuation with that penalty miss'? How will a penalty miss determine how much a player is worth? Oh, David Beckham missed a penalty for England at the World Cup, he's only worth £25m now instead of £30m.. bore off you disabled. Wes is 29, not heading towards his 'mid-30s'. You will never know how much players have been bought for as fees are often undisclosed but there's a lot of speculation. Some say Knockaert was bought for £500k, other anything up to £2.4million. I'm almost certain that it's the lesser. You state Drinkwater, Vardy and Marshall. Let's not forget here Drinkwater's form in the first half of the season in which he was the catalyst to us becoming a Top 2 side at the time, his form dipped and he looked tired. Fortunately, a return of Matty James to fitness was a saviour. Vardy has been shattered by a lot of unfair criticism - largely by idiots like you. I will continue to say that it is no coincidence that we played some of our best football with Vardy in the side when we were FIRST in the league. He may not have contributed much in terms of goals, but his work rate and energy offered a lot to the TEAM and he often found himself in good positions but his finishing let him down and had he had more of a sustained run, I was certain the goals would have begun to flow. Unfortunately, an injury came for him at the wrong time. As for Marshall, well, he's been ruined by having to cover Konchesky for most of the season and the poor lad has suffered.
whoareyaaa Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 ffs where is it a written law of life and football that youngsters will improve? How many kids have played a couple of games for their first teams (any club not just us) and ended up playing non-league football 2 seasons later? A lot more than those who go on to play regularly for the first team in a decent side. It's not but if you watched the team this year you would clearly see the majority are good players who will only improve. do you even watch us play?
5waller5 Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 Can you stop hiding behind the 'we were poor for the last 1/3rd of the season? A run in which we beat Blackburn, Bolton and Forest, gained creditable points at Cardiff, Brighton and Palace (all matches in which our performances deserved victories) and other matches like Millwall (when Wes was sent off), Peterborough, Blackpool and Birmingham in which we could have easily gained more points. From that run alone, and I believe with more LUCK, we would have had 13 more points. I genuinely believe this season has been cursed and was never meant to be and the events on Sunday really did sum up our season. We have certainly lost more points than we have deserved to get in comparison to the amount we have 'smash and grabbed'. What are you on about 'Knocky took about a million off his valuation with that penalty miss'? How will a penalty miss determine how much a player is worth? Oh, David Beckham missed a penalty for England at the World Cup, he's only worth £25m now instead of £30m.. bore off you disabled. Wes is 29, not heading towards his 'mid-30s'. You will never know how much players have been bought for as fees are often undisclosed but there's a lot of speculation. Some say Knockaert was bought for £500k, other anything up to £2.4million. I'm almost certain that it's the lesser. You state Drinkwater, Vardy and Marshall. Let's not forget here Drinkwater's form in the first half of the season in which he was the catalyst to us becoming a Top 2 side at the time, his form dipped and he looked tired. Fortunately, a return of Matty James to fitness was a saviour. Vardy has been shattered by a lot of unfair criticism - largely by idiots like you. I will continue to say that it is no coincidence that we played some of our best football with Vardy in the side when we were FIRST in the league. He may not have contributed much in terms of goals, but his work rate and energy offered a lot to the TEAM and he often found himself in good positions but his finishing let him down and had he had more of a sustained run, I was certain the goals would have begun to flow. Unfortunately, an injury came for him at the wrong time. As for Marshall, well, he's been ruined by having to cover Konchesky for most of the season and the poor lad has suffered. Yes, stop using one of the worst runs in our whole history as a football club as a reason to not believe in the manager. Get behind him. Sing happy songs and clap along. Everything is fine and big Nige is the only way forward. Some people just aren't happy with Championship football. Tossers.
hackneyfox Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 I've watched us for 35 years or so and I've seen Heskey and Lineker come through. I've also seen a lot more of the likes of Buchanan and Peake who looked as if they would be a success and didn't. What happened to all those kids that Thracian used to rave about? When you think of the number of young players coming into the game and then look at how many actually retire from the game you'll see that the majority, the vast majority, don't succeed as footballers. I'm inclined to think that we do have some decent young players at the club but for some reason most have got poorer as the season gas gone on, James is the obvious exception to this. You now have to ask why they have got poorer, had they overachieved earlier in the season or have they been managed poorly?
hackneyfox Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 Yes, stop using one of the worst runs in our whole history as a football club as a reason to not believe in the manager. Get behind him. Sing happy songs and clap along. Everything is fine and big Nige is the only way forward. Some people just aren't happy with Championship football. Tossers. Spot on but we did beat Blackburn so everything is alright.
seenitall Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 Can you stop hiding behind the 'we were poor for the last 1/3rd of the season? A run in which we beat Blackburn, Bolton and Forest, gained creditable points at Cardiff, Brighton and Palace (all matches in which our performances deserved victories) and other matches like Millwall (when Wes was sent off), Peterborough, Blackpool and Birmingham in which we could have easily gained more points. From that run alone, and I believe with more LUCK, we would have had 13 more points. I genuinely believe this season has been cursed and was never meant to be and the events on Sunday really did sum up our season. We have certainly lost more points than we have deserved to get in comparison to the amount we have 'smash and grabbed'. What are you on about 'Knocky took about a million off his valuation with that penalty miss'? How will a penalty miss determine how much a player is worth? Oh, David Beckham missed a penalty for England at the World Cup, he's only worth £25m now instead of £30m.. bore off you disabled. Wes is 29, not heading towards his 'mid-30s'. You will never know how much players have been bought for as fees are often undisclosed but there's a lot of speculation. Some say Knockaert was bought for £500k, other anything up to £2.4million. I'm almost certain that it's the lesser. You state Drinkwater, Vardy and Marshall. Let's not forget here Drinkwater's form in the first half of the season in which he was the catalyst to us becoming a Top 2 side at the time, his form dipped and he looked tired. Fortunately, a return of Matty James to fitness was a saviour. Vardy has been shattered by a lot of unfair criticism - largely by idiots like you. I will continue to say that it is no coincidence that we played some of our best football with Vardy in the side when we were FIRST in the league. He may not have contributed much in terms of goals, but his work rate and energy offered a lot to the TEAM and he often found himself in good positions but his finishing let him down and had he had more of a sustained run, I was certain the goals would have begun to flow. Unfortunately, an injury came for him at the wrong time. As for Marshall, well, he's been ruined by having to cover Konchesky for most of the season and the poor lad has suffered. If you will stop hiding behind we were top halfway through and as for the next bit - leave it out, if we had won all our games which we could have done with more LUCK - Jesus man, is that what you want us to rely on As for the insult stuff - typical Nige fan, can't enter into debate has to resort to politically incorrect insults Drinky's form dipped - good management spotting a player who's form is going to dip - and Vardy?Waghorn?Nugent for half a season?SSL? Marshall?Wood?Konchesky? all suffered dips in form - oh wait a minute, must be BAD LUCK Bore off yourself.....
bald reynard Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 We have made progress but not enough, this season was all about promotion NP has been given the tools to do so you cannot say he hasn't and has failed in that respect. The Thais are going to have a hard long think about whether NP is the man to get us promotion (automatically) next season but imo he hasn't got the ability to do so all we will be is a team in the playoffs which isn't good enough. Agree with all that. I find it incredibly depressing, that there are so many on this Forum, who think that another season of NP is the answer and he is the man who can take us forward. He's had his chances to take a side up to the Premiership - and failed on 4 occasions - 3 times with us and once with Hull. The guy clearly hasn't got it. Someone else needs to be given a go. I just hope the Thais have more sense !
LcFc_Smiv Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 Agree with all that. I find it incredibly depressing, that there are so many on this Forum, who think that another season of NP is the answer and he is the man who can take us forward. He's had his chances to take a side up to the Premiership - and failed on 4 occasions - 3 times with us and once with Hull. The guy clearly hasn't got it. Someone else needs to be given a go. I just hope the Thais have more sense ! More sense than you, yes I'd hope so. The fact is, as you have mentioned, Nige has had 4 seasons in this league, and has reached the play offs twice. The key to this is he has achieved play offs after having more than one season to build a team, which is quite clearly how he works. His first time to take us to the play offs was a team that had been raised up from league one. He then went on to build a Hull team that were in need of serious repair after the premier league, he then returned here having to work with an overpaid team of utter dross, only to build a squad that again reached the play offs. The problem is people are so quick to want to pull the trigger, we don't know if he has the capability of taking us further. Your just making assumptions, no proof of anything at all, the fact is none of us know how far he will take us, this will class as his third season of this spell, more than he's had with any other club. At the moment there are no guarantees, no one who will definitely make an improvement.
seenitall Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 More sense than you, yes I'd hope so. The fact is, as you have mentioned, Nige has had 4 seasons in this league, and has reached the play offs twice. The key to this is he has achieved play offs after having more than one season to build a team, which is quite clearly how he works. His first time to take us to the play offs was a team that had been raised up from league one. He then went on to build a Hull team that were in need of serious repair after the premier league, he then returned here having to work with an overpaid team of utter dross, only to build a squad that again reached the play offs. The problem is people are so quick to want to pull the trigger, we don't know if he has the capability of taking us further. Your just making assumptions, no proof of anything at all, the fact is none of us know how far he will take us, this will class as his third season of this spell, more than he's had with any other club. At the moment there are no guarantees, no one who will definitely make an improvement. Of all the myths that get spouted about Nige it is actually this one that pisses me off the most. They finished behind us after we started with Sousa and were bottom after 9 games......that is not a rebuild its a disaster and Nige presided over it - he virtually destroyed what was left after the Premier League and was struggling in his next season as well - I reckon they lost 2 seasons purely down to his mismanagement (sound familiar) and lo and behold after changing after Barmby (so 3 managers in 3 years) they got promoted automatically so no thanks to Nige but they are in the Premier League - build a team my arse.......
AnotherShitSeason Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 He absolutely HAS to go. The truth is any decent managerial team would have walked out this league with the finances available. At Watford we looked like we were playing with 10 men. Badly. I really don't get the Morgan love in on here either. Completely overrated.
sharpie Posted 14 May 2013 Posted 14 May 2013 I agree with got to go, but harsh on morgan he has been our best player by a mile??
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