maxwelld_ Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Hope the bookies are right this time , QPR then us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Numan Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 I said we were second favourites about a week ago. It's bloody ridiculous at this stage, if we can't offload the high earners, we can't bring others in and we're going nowhere unless we sneak a play off place and a Frenchman doesn't take a penalty for us. I don't see QPR as favourites at this point either. Let's just ignore the bookies and keep our expectations under control this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 I said we were second favourites about a week ago. It's bloody ridiculous at this stage, if we can't offload the high earners, we can't bring others in and we're going nowhere unless we sneak a play off place and a Frenchman doesn't take a penalty for us. I don't see QPR as favourites at this point either. Let's just ignore the bookies and keep our expectations under control this season Errm this really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Dykes Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 I said we were second favourites about a week ago. It's bloody ridiculous at this stage, if we can't offload the high earners, we can't bring others in and we're going nowhere unless we sneak a play off place and a Frenchman doesn't take a penalty for us. I don't see QPR as favourites at this point either. Let's just ignore the bookies and keep our expectations under control this season Agreed. I think our season could hinge on how much of the expensive reserves we can shift. I do think we'll be in a very good position if we can move them all on, though. I can't see QPR doing all that well, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
west country fox Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Don't make me laugh about 2nd favourites for promotion,the only way that would be a justified prediction is if Pearson is removed.tactically the man is a joke if he stays I predict more play off heartache for us,we should be looking for a leader with a winning promotion mentality like a Tony Pullis,Martin O'Neill,Neil Warnock,and get rid of this joker . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cropwellfox Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Really don't understand the bookies soft spot for us, they have been proved wrong time and again - some of the prices towards the back end of the season just gone were rediculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue heart Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Don't make me laugh about 2nd favourites for promotion,the only way that would be a justified prediction is if Pearson is removed.tactically the man is a joke if he stays I predict more play off heartache for us,we should be looking for a leader with a winning promotion mentality like a Tony Pullis,Martin O'Neill,Neil Warnock,and get rid of this joker . Your a pure knob head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Really don't understand the bookies soft spot for us Probably something to do with all the money people chuck into their pockets by backing us? With regards to the OP - bookies predictions are useless, they could make Yeovil second favourite to win the league, doesn't mean it's any more likely to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayfox Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Maybe we gamble a lot in leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesmilner Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 take a look at our fan base (huge). believe it or not doing that the bookies get into peoples heads and they believe the hype and bet . if we were 100/1 people would believe that too and make excuses for us being 100/1 . yep a few would go 100/1 i will have some of that but favourites get more money put on them , its a fact . mind games by the bookies thats all . with ffp this season ,who the fook can tell yet ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSpaM Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Bookies must be laughing all the way to the bank the amount of money that's been bet on us past couple of seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Where do they get it from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Watford are favourites in my opinion if, as is expected, they keep hold of all their loans and add a few more, they'll be difficult to stop. QPR have the players, but do they have the desire? If Redknapp can get them motivated, like Watford they'll take some stopping. Reading have the perfect manager to bounce back. He knows the league and his positive attitudes is well suited to this situation. Wigan will depends on whether Martinez stays, hopefully he won't. Then there's Bolton, Forest, Leeds and Ipswich who all had good form towards the end of the season under new-ish managers. It's going to be tough, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilo Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 I personally think Watford's defeat yesterday was damaging to them. The rules on loanees are a changing, and this will mean they won't be able to repeat what they've done this season. It's all very well saying they'll sign the loanees on permanent deals, but the Pozzos are likely to receive cash offers for some of thos who've really impressed. There's also the fact that going to Watford for a year to put yourself in the spotlight and fight for a first team place is a very different proposition to signing for them for three years. Player power will always out in such situations. If Vydra, Cassetti or Abdi wish to have a stab at Premier League or Serie A football they can dig their heels in and look for other clubs. It's not as easy as moving players around like property these days if they're ambitious. QPR have car crash written all over them. They'll be shifting players left, right and centre and 'Arry hasn't managed in this division for a decade. Rebuilding a whole team in line with FFP when you haven't managed in one of the most competitive leagues in Europe since 2003? Plenty of scope for Redknapp to get it wrong. Reading are the big threat. Plenty of money, a good Championship team and a highly rated manager who encourages good football. They'll do well. Wigan will do very well if they can keep Martinez and the bulk of their squad too. Leeds will surprise a few with less stingy owners and Brian McDermott at the helm. Bolton should continue their progress under Freedman. It'll be a tough league but none of these challenges are insurmountable if Pearson ships out the dead wood and replaces them appropriately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Bookies odds aren't about what bookies think themselves, they're not seers or oracles. It's about where the money's going. Most bookies in Leicester will have taken a lot of money on Leicester and have to shorten the odds to avoid the risk of a large pay-out. If you go to Nottingham you'll get the same report about Florist, and again in Derby for County. This is true all over the country, people back their team, wisely or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 I have no idea how you can judge next season's final season position before transfer season has even begun. We'll probably finish second last now anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Bookies odds aren't about what bookies think themselves, they're not seers or oracles. It's about where the money's going. Most bookies in Leicester will have taken a lot of money on Leicester and have to shorten the odds to avoid the risk of a large pay-out. If you go to Nottingham you'll get the same report about Florist, and again in Derby for County. This is true all over the country, people back their team, wisely or not.Ah to be honest with you I didn't know it worked like that. I thought bookies prices were the same wherever you were.For example if leicester were 5/1 to get promoted in ladbrokes in leicester they would be the same price in a bookies in Liverpool. You live and learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlueBrett Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Bookies odds aren't about what bookies think themselves, they're not seers or oracles. It's about where the money's going. Most bookies in Leicester will have taken a lot of money on Leicester and have to shorten the odds to avoid the risk of a large pay-out. If you go to Nottingham you'll get the same report about Florist, and again in Derby for County. This is true all over the country, people back their team, wisely or not.It is as you say once the market develops but the initial ante post pricing is based on what the bookies think will happen (and where they anticipate money being spent). You will sometimes find slight variations in price according to location but obviously this can't really apply to online prices.The championship must be one of the hardest leagues to price up. I suppose from the bookies' perspective it doesn't really matter what prices they offer at this point because they will simply adjust the prices to balance their potential liabilities as the season develops. I can see why we are a fairly short price at the moment. As people have pointed out, most of the other probable contenders seem likely to undergo significant overhauls between now and the season opener. We have a decent squad and only really require about 4 quality additions and the conventional wisdom is that we have enough money to be able to resist bids for our best players from last year. Personally I think anyone other than an insider with knowledge of likely transfers would be an idiot to bet ante post so far in advance of the season. Having said that, I think there could possibly be a bit of early value to be had in the relegation market for someone who intends to keep a close eye on the prices and lay to their advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzzy Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Your a pure knob head need to look at yourself he is completly right about pearson being awful tactical as not got a clue so keeping him would mean we will mid table at best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indierich06 Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 need to look at yourself he is completly right about pearson being awful tactical as not got a clue so keeping him would mean we will mid table at best He's had us in the playoffs for two seasons out of three, not bad for someone who is 'awful tactical'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Personally think Bolton will win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MattP Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 No way should be that short. Bolton would be my pick at the time, got an excellent side and manager, form was starting to really show towards the end of the season. re Watford surely if they really want these players they could just sign them on one year deals rather than loan them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 I would certainly expect us to have a tricky start as its really unclear who will be with us come August 3rd. Always have you in the play-offs at least..won't be popular I accept but think Forest will be up there with Reading and maybe Wigan as well. You'd have to see who comes in at Brighton and what exactly happens at QPR but they do seem to be a mess. Its the Championship though - what odds were Palace/Hull and Cardiff to go up!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 Probably something to do with all the money people chuck into their pockets by backing us? With regards to the OP - bookies predictions are useless, they could make Yeovil second favourite to win the league, doesn't mean it's any more likely to happen. Indeed, I mean just look at this season just gone, with the teams that came down then you wouldn't have necessarily picked Cardiff to win the league, Hull for runners up and Palace to follow suit in the play offs re promotion! Predictions are about as valuable as the paper they're written on re this particular league nowadays - which amounts to very little value! The only predictable thing in football now is what order the top 5 teams in the Prem are going to finish sadly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 28 May 2013 Share Posted 28 May 2013 re Watford surely if they really want these players they could just sign them on one year deals rather than loan them? Forestieri signed a 5 year one.. Risky - as was suggested above whilst we might be keen to keep them will players (they have their own agents) be keen to battle it out in the Championship for a season or two more... As yesterday proved despite Holloway's claim none are world class and we can be delt with easily despite some great football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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