Dave Richards- new chairman?

[Kitchandro]

I don't know if you are still viewing this thread, but if you are, I understand you have a fixed view of Dave Richards.

 

From the outside, it looks to me like he had a fair amount of success at Wednesday before things went wrong.  Wednesday fans criticise the bloke for spending money, but in my opinion he was only doing what would be expected by the fans at the time.  I bet Wednesday fans weren't howling about the money spent when it brought success to the club.  

 

During Leicester's last successful period in the top flight, my regret is the chairman and the board did not invest sufficiently in a successful side.  We were finishing regularly in the top 10 and I wonder what would've happened had further investment followed this.  For the record, Leicester ended up in a similar situation as Wednesday anyway, being relegated from the PL, going into administration and eventually being relegated into League One.  Leicester and Wednesday are not the only clubs who have faced this scenario, so it is an over-simplification to suggest the actions of Dave Richards directly caused it.

 

So Wednesday fans have their scapegoat, and all clubs seem to need those.  While I am aware of how his time at Wednesday ended, what I see is a man with a huge amount of experience in the administrative side of football who should have the skills to ensure things are run better behind the scenes at Leicester.  I could be wrong, he could be an idiot and bring disaster to the club, but so could many other people and many other reasons.

 

Instead of go into a fit of panic now, I will give the bloke a chance to prove his worth to my club.  If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I think it would be more wrong to right him off before he has even started the job.

 That's fine, but why are telling Wednesday fans what to think? Do you think you know better than their entire fanbase what kind of job Richards did for them?

 

If the vast majority hate him so much it's probably not without good reason. Imagine if  Wedensday fan started telling you Taylor or Wise or even Sven or Holloway weren't to blame. You'd think they didn't know what they were talking about, wouldn't you?

[Deucalion]

 That's fine, but why are telling Wednesday fans what to think? Do you think you know better than their entire fanbase what kind of job Richards did for them?

 

If the vast majority hate him so much it's probably not without good reason. Imagine if  Wedensday fan started telling you Taylor or Wise or even Sven or Holloway weren't to blame. You'd think they didn't know what they were talking about, wouldn't you?

 

It could well be without good reason.

 

How many times are people associated with Leicester vilified for no good reason?

 

There are many, many examples.

 

The fact is, fans very rarely know the details of things which happen behind the scenes, so a convenient scapegoat is chosen to contain all the anger and disappointment attendant with failure.  It is not reasonable, it is in fact a very immature way of processing negative feelings, but nevertheless it is very common amongst football fans.

 

With the exception of Wise, all the other people you mentioned have had some kind of success following Leicester.  Some of them might even be revered by fans of other clubs.

 

It's a good job they didn't listen to the bitterness of Leicester fans regarding them.

[Kitchandro]

It could well be without good reason.

 

How many times are people associated with Leicester vilified for no good reason?

 

There are many, many examples.

 

The fact is, fans very rarely know the details of things which happen behind the scenes, so a convenient scapegoat is chosen to contain all the anger and disappointment attendant with failure.  It is not reasonable, it is in fact a very immature way of processing negative feelings, but nevertheless it is very common amongst football fans.

 

With the exception of Wise, all the other people you mentioned have had some kind of success following Leicester.  Some of them might even be revered by fans of other clubs.

 

It's a good job they didn't listen to the bitterness of Leicester fans regarding them.

 

By at least 90% of the fanbase?

 

Name one.

[Deucalion]

Peter Taylor?

 

Truth be told, he inherited a squad with egos who thought they were better than the manager.  Therefore he had players trying to undermine his authority.  He had a tough task following O'Neill anyway.  The first thing he had to deal with was the loss of players who had made Leicester into a force in the PL.  He, in some ways, was on a sticky wicket.

 

Now I've no particular affection for Peter Taylor.  I blame him for Leicester's demise too.  As I get older, the scapegoat mechanism works less well for me though and I become aware of more of the context which caused the problems than the individual.  I also believe there are clubs out there who hold Taylor in high regard.

 

So...90% of Sheffield Wednesday fans could easily be wrong.

[Kitchandro]

Peter Taylor?

 

Truth be told, he inherited a squad with egos who thought they were better than the manager.  Therefore he had players trying to undermine his authority.  He had a tough task following O'Neill anyway.  The first thing he had to deal with was the loss of players who had made Leicester into a force in the PL.  He, in some ways, was on a sticky wicket.

 

Now I've no particular affection for Peter Taylor.  I blame him for Leicester's demise too.  As I get older, the scapegoat mechanism works less well for me though and I become aware of more of the context which caused the problems than the individual.  I also believe there are clubs out there who hold Taylor in high regard.

 

So...90% of Sheffield Wednesday fans could easily be wrong.

 

 

So first you make a ridiculous claim that he wasn't to blame nor should he be vilified.

 

Then you admit you also blame him.

 

Try again.

[Corky]

Taylor had a squad that had just finished in it's highest position, on the back of a Cup triumph. He also had plenty of money to spend. No manager in the last 30 years has been in that situation, yet this clown contrived to lose 14 consecutive away games, throw away a home cup quarter-final against a Division Two team and lose to a host of crap teams to finish about 6 places lower than we should've done.

 

He also inflicted Dennis Wise upon us, which was a painful move in more ways than one. He deserves every bit of criticism he receives.

 

Generally, if 90% of the fanbase doesn't like you, there must be a strong reason for the dislike.

[The Horse's Mouth]

Peter Taylor?

 

Truth be told, he inherited a squad with egos who thought they were better than the manager.  Therefore he had players trying to undermine his authority.  He had a tough task following O'Neill anyway.  The first thing he had to deal with was the loss of players who had made Leicester into a force in the PL.  He, in some ways, was on a sticky wicket.

 

Now I've no particular affection for Peter Taylor.  I blame him for Leicester's demise too.  As I get older, the scapegoat mechanism works less well for me though and I become aware of more of the context which caused the problems than the individual.  I also believe there are clubs out there who hold Taylor in high regard.

 

So...90% of Sheffield Wednesday fans could easily be wrong.

Interesting choice, I would've picked Ian Holloway to defend myself. 

[Deucalion]

 

So first you make a ridiculous claim that he wasn't to blame nor should he be vilified.

 

Then you admit you also blame him.

 

Try again.

 

The point is...

 

there are always more than one way to view things.  Football fans seem particularly unable to see complexity in situations, especially when something has become ingrained into the collective psyche or myths surrounding a club.

 

I don't need to try again.  You need to try again to understand.

 

Or not...up to you.

 

[Trav Le Bleu]

Taylor bigger offender than Holloway. Taylor turned success into disaster whilst Holloway came in after the club had been screwed up by chopping and changing three other managers that season.

[Deucalion]

Taylor had a squad that had just finished in it's highest position, on the back of a Cup triumph. He also had plenty of money to spend. No manager in the last 30 years has been in that situation, yet this clown contrived to lose 14 consecutive away games, throw away a home cup quarter-final against a Division Two team and lose to a host of crap teams to finish about 6 places lower than we should've done.

 

He also inflicted Dennis Wise upon us, which was a painful move in more ways than one. He deserves every bit of criticism he receives.

 

Generally, if 90% of the fanbase doesn't like you, there must be a strong reason for the dislike.

 

90% of any group is capable of being wrong.

 

 

Interesting choice, I would've picked Ian Holloway to defend myself. 

 

Trying to make the point that, even with a man that appears to have failed miserably while having much going for him, there are still circumstances which contributed to his failure beyond his own ineptitude.

 

Also, I don't think 90% dislike Holloway?  Could be wrong.

[Harry - LCFC]

The point is...

 

there are always more than one way to view things.  Football fans seem particularly unable to see complexity in situations, especially when something has become ingrained into the collective psyche or myths surrounding a club.

 

I don't need to try again.  You need to try again to understand.

 

Or not...up to you.

 

 

This, this and this.

 

Find it irritating when people are narrow minded on an issue, just refuse to see the other side of the argument. Some seem far more concerned about proving their own view to be the 'correct' one rather than considering what others might have to say.

[The Horse's Mouth]

90% of any group is capable of being wrong.

 

 

 

Trying to make the point that, even with a man that appears to have failed miserably while having much going for him, there are still circumstances which contributed to his failure beyond his own ineptitude.

 

Also, I don't think 90% dislike Holloway?  Could be wrong.

I weren't sure whether the fact kitchandro name dropping him would make him a contender.

[Kitchandro]

 

Trying to make the point that, even with a man that appears to have failed miserably while having much going for him, there are still circumstances which contributed to his failure beyond his own ineptitude.

 

Also, I don't think 90% dislike Holloway?  Could be wrong.

 

I don't think any of what you said excuses his ineptitiude. You could look at any given situation in footall and make an argument that it wasn't an easy job. But cocking things up so massively is inexcusable in that situation.

 

In any case, I think I'm going to trust the Wednesday lot on this one. Whilst he may be capable of doing an acceptable job somehwere else, it is quite clear that Richards was terrible at Hillsborough.

[Deucalion]

This, this and this.

 

Find it irritating when people are narrow minded on an issue, just refuse to see the other side of the argument. Some seem far more concerned about on proving their own view to be the 'correct' one rather than considering what others might have to say.

 

The fact is, no-one knows how this is going to turn out.

 

That's why I'm just going to wait and see.  If it still turns out bad, then so be it.

 

If, on the other hand, fans go off on one and protest and boo and suchlike, it makes it far more likely that things will turn out badly.  Just because Sheffield Wednesday were relegated at the end of his 10 years at the helm of the club don't mean he isn't going to do the job here.

 

But...people like their scapegoats and patiently waiting to see how something turns out seems to be beyond many people.

[Kitchandro]

I weren't sure whether the fact kitchandro name dropping him would make him a contender.

 

Whether Holloway is hated by 90% of our fanbase is irrelevent, what is relevant is he is rightly vilified by many fans for overseeing our relegation to the 3rd tier for the first time in our history. There is no forgiving that, even if some people want to try and twist everything to suggest it wasn't his fault.

[flowwolf]

We are the laughing stock of the division the club need to make a statement of intent IMO are the Thais staying or is this the start of the club being sold again.

 

I am a little worried that we are on the downward spiral and administration is around the corner I have no source just my feeling.

 

You feeling a bit sourcey then ?

[The Horse's Mouth]

Whether Holloway is hated by 90% of our fanbase is irrelevent, what is relevant is he is rightly vilified by many fans for overseeing our relegation to the 3rd tier for the first time in our history. There is no forgiving that, even if some people want to try and twist everything to suggest it wasn't his fault.

I agree with you fully, but Holloway would be a lot easier to defend than Peter Taylor.

[Deucalion]

I don't think any of what you said excuses his ineptitiude. You could look at any given situation in footall and make an argument that it wasn't an easy job. But cokcing things up so massively is inexcusable in that situation.

 

In any case, I think I'm going to trust the Wednesday lot on this one. Whilst he may be capable of doing an acceptable job somehwere else, it is quite clear that Richards was terrible at Hillsborough.

 

I'm not sure he was terrible at Hillsborough.  From the outside, a place which allows more perspective sometimes, it just seems to have ended badly.

 

I personally am not going to trust the Wednesday fans.  I think Richards has become part of their club myth and probably serves a useful purpose in allowing them to make sense of why things went so badly wrong for them.

 

I hope the Dave Richards thing works out for us and I will give him a chance.  In my opinion it is pretty pointless to do otherwise.

 

But if people disagree then so be it, that is there right.

 

[Deucalion]

Whether Holloway is hated by 90% of our fanbase is irrelevent, what is relevant is he is rightly vilified by many fans for overseeing our relegation to the 3rd tier for the first time in our history. There is no forgiving that, even if some people want to try and twist everything to suggest it wasn't his fault.

 

People might not be twisting things, they might just be seeing things differently.

[dayday]

The Peter Taylor I remember quickly dismantled a winning team and then decided to to splash out on Dennis Wise(last pay day)Junior Lewis(ex shelf stacker)Trevor Benjamin(one for the future)James Scowcroft(average at best)Lee Marshall(rubbish)Ade Akinbiyi(5 million ffs)and Matt Jones (over rated and injury prone).

The bloke was out of his depth .

[flowwolf]

I'm not sure he was terrible at Hillsborough.  From the outside, a place which allows more perspective sometimes, it just seems to have ended badly.

 

I personally am not going to trust the Wednesday fans.  I think Richards has become part of their club myth and probably serves a useful purpose in allowing them to make sense of why things went so badly wrong for them.

 

I hope the Dave Richards thing works out for us and I will give him a chance.  In my opinion it is pretty pointless to do otherwise.

 

But if people disagree then so be it, that is there right.

 

 

That would be 90% of people disagreeing with you then.

[Tielemans63]

[quote name="FoxfromHuggy" post="2640944" timestamp

Forget the iffy decisions by MM. Forget the rants of Martin Allen, forget Don Mackay and forget Megson. The one single reason we plummeted out of the Championship that season is because we were saddled with Gollum the ****wit as our manager.....END OF!

You've named 4 other reasons yourself! Maybe Holloway was partly, even largely to blame but solely? Behave yourself. We were a shambles way before he arrived - you can't blame it all on him however much you hate him.

[flowwolf]

Just been on the midlands news Richards and Robinson have been appointed so it's official we are going down the pan.

[Tielemans63]

A tacit admission that the Thais don't really know what they're doing IMHO.

I'll reserve judgement on DR but I'm not confident at all.

[Deucalion]

The Peter Taylor I remember quickly dismantled a winning team and then decided to to splash out on Dennis Wise(last pay day)Junior Lewis(ex shelf stacker)Trevor Benjamin(one for the future)James Scowcroft(average at best)Lee Marshall(rubbish)Ade Akinbiyi(5 million ffs)and Matt Jones (over rated and injury prone).

The bloke was out of his depth .

 

Yeah, I agree.  But could part of the reason he dismantled a winning team be because he had the likes of Steve Walsh undermining his authority?  Why is Steve Walsh, while being a legend with fans, not really welcome at the club?

 

 

That would be 90% of people disagreeing with you then.

 

Does that mean it is me that is wrong?  I mean this in a philosophical sense, I am not going to be forced into a position of Peter Taylor's biggest fan.  I used him to make a point.

 

 

A tacit admission that the Thais don't really know what they're doing IMHO.

I'll reserve judgement on DR but I'm not confident at all.

 

I think you might be right.  If so, it is brave of them to admit it.

 

 

Just been on the midlands news Richards and Robinson have been appointed so it's official we are going down the pan.

 

Well, for me...fingers crossed this is going to work out !!