The Horse's Mouth Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 Mandaric employed Sven are you sure? He did.
MPH Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 Mandaric employed Sven. The redknapp stories was likely bullshit, possibly a redknapp PR stunt, and maybe just what astute people do. Err what? Mandaric oversaw Sousas arrival but was long gone when Sven came...
Guest ttfn Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 . As if Sven would give Mandaric the time of day! MM is dirt poor compared to most people who hire Sven, he'd have laughed him out of the room. Mandaric is about as well connected in football as Sandra Redknapp, in that they both know Harry and whilst sometimes they argue, in the end it all works out.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 Err what? Mandaric oversaw Sousas arrival but was long gone when Sven came... He was still acting Chairman when the appointment was made.
Fox92 Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 do you even support Leicester? every post I see you make is always negative He is right though. Doesn't fill me with confidence, if I'm honest, all this. Also, someone can criticize but still be a fan.
smudger63 Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 based on what? newspaper reports? Sven wasn't exactly as bad as you made out, if you think about it. From a financial part, it wasn't brilliant but we are dealing with that now. He got us out of a slum Sousa got us into, put us on the map a bit more as a football club and boosted the name 'Leicester City Football Club' Also we were only 2 points off the play offs when Sven was sacked, and in fact had we beaten Millwall the previous Saturday, we would have only been 2 points off second. Sven was certainly a bit scatter gun with his transfers,some good ones, some downright baffling, but the crazy money and contracts were ultimately sanctioned by the owners, not Sven. I`m sure no one was holding a gun to their heads, when they agreed the contracts. Sven gets a bashing on here, but we did play some decent football under him, and who knows where we would have finished if they had not sacked him so early in the season. Also Sven never did get a full season, something that many posters on here said that Pearson should be given, and something he was given and failed in meeting his objectives.
Dickov22 Posted 19 June 2013 Author Posted 19 June 2013 Also we were only 2 points off the play offs when Sven was sacked, and in fact had we beaten Millwall the previous Saturday, we would have only been 2 points off second.Sven was certainly a bit scatter gun with his transfers,some good ones, some downright baffling, but the crazy money and contracts were ultimately sanctioned by the owners, not Sven.I`m sure no one was holding a gun to their heads, when they agreed the contracts.Sven gets a bashing on here, but we did play some decent football under him, and who knows where we would have finished if they had not sacked him so early in the season.Also Sven never did get a full season, something that many posters on here said that Pearson should be given, and something he was given and failed in meeting his objectives. Decent football? He played 4 central midfielders in the same team! Ipswich away did it for me. Absolute shower of shite and there he was, cowering in the dugout hood up. That team had no bottle. Just like him. Pathetic money wasting prat
ThurnbyLodgeFox Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 Also we were only 2 points off the play offs when Sven was sacked, and in fact had we beaten Millwall the previous Saturday, we would have only been 2 points off second. Sven was certainly a bit scatter gun with his transfers,some good ones, some downright baffling, but the crazy money and contracts were ultimately sanctioned by the owners, not Sven. I`m sure no one was holding a gun to their heads, when they agreed the contracts. Sven gets a bashing on here, but we did play some decent football under him, and who knows where we would have finished if they had not sacked him so early in the season. Also Sven never did get a full season, something that many posters on here said that Pearson should be given, and something he was given and failed in meeting his objectives.[/ Decent football? He played 4 central midfielders in the same team! Ipswich away did it for me. Absolute shower of shite and there he was, cowering in the dugout hood up. That team had no bottle. Just like him. Pathetic money wasting prat he would identify targets, Neville would sign them and agree the fee. Not really his fault... any other manager, bar Pearson, would go nuts with an open cheque book. Your bias of Sven is annoying me now and general negativity too
leicesterisme Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 he would identify targets, Neville would sign them and agree the fee. Not really his fault... any other manager, bar Pearson, would go nuts with an open cheque book. Your bias of Sven is annoying me now and general negativity too If that was the case then it's very poor management from Sven to allow Neville to go through with buying the likes of Beckford, Mills etc for that kind of money and giving them the wages they were on.
Rich Fox Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 he would identify targets, Neville would sign them and agree the fee. Not really his fault... any other manager, bar Pearson, would go nuts with an open cheque book. Your bias of Sven is annoying me now and general negativity too If the role of a manager is just identify targets then anyone could do it. If he had no clue what contracts or wages were being offered then he should never been given the job in the first place.
Jimmy Posted 19 June 2013 Posted 19 June 2013 If that was the case then it's very poor management from Sven to allow Neville to go through with buying the likes of Beckford, Mills etc for that kind of money and giving them the wages they were on. why would he care? he has a budget and trusted that the Director of Football would have enough sense and negotiating skill to get the best deal possible or come back to him and say sorry Sven that 1 is going to cost too much
Dickov22 Posted 20 June 2013 Author Posted 20 June 2013 he would identify targets, Neville would sign them and agree the fee. Not really his fault... any other manager, bar Pearson, would go nuts with an open cheque book. Your bias of Sven is annoying me now and general negativity too You're wrong though. I'm not bothered how much Schmeichel, Nugent, Konchesky are on as they've been good players for us. It's the fact he signed so many poor players on huge salaries that winds me up about him. That's down to him. There's no negativity from me about the current Manager, I think he's great.
Mack Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 You're wrong though. I'm not bothered how much Schmeichel, Nugent, Konchesky are on as they've been good players for us. It's the fact he signed so many poor players on huge salaries that winds me up about him. That's down to him. There's no negativity from me about the current Manager, I think he's great. Sven had a list of 50 players he wanted, I remember it being reported at the time. I have no idea where who or how this list was formulated, apart from Ishmail Miller was on it!? I guess Neville signed who he could from that list, and no one at the club (including the owners) had the good basic business brains to put a limit on how far he could go in negotiations. You can point the finger at who you like, but at the end of the day it's the owners who allowed this poor practice to go on.
Strokes Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 You're wrong though. I'm not bothered how much Schmeichel, Nugent, Konchesky are on as they've been good players for us. It's the fact he signed so many poor players on huge salaries that winds me up about him. That's down to him. There's no negativity from me about the current Manager, I think he's great.It's a pretty blinkered approach, svens remit was to raise the profile of the club and attract big names. Pearsons was to reduce the wage bill after the board realised they had messed up. Neither manager should be vilified for following out the plans to the budgets they were given, and the 2 managers success rate isn't too different. Sven bashing irritates me, when the same people arse lick Pearson who also has under acheived. Both should have done better, but the real problem has been at the top.
Babylon Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 It's a pretty blinkered approach, svens remit was to raise the profile of the club and attract big names. Pearsons was to reduce the wage bill after the board realised they had messed up. Neither manager should be vilified for following out the plans to the budgets they were given, and the 2 managers success rate isn't too different. Sven bashing irritates me, when the same people arse lick Pearson who also has under acheived. Both should have done better, but the real problem has been at the top. If Sven wasn't interested in what his new players were going to be earning then he damn well should have been. The blame is not just his, the people above him could have said we aren't spending that at any point. But he damn well should take some of the blame for many average players being paid much more than they are worth. He identified these players and he should also be involved in the process of deciding if they are value for money or not. That's the whole point of a manager, if you don't think x player is worth x amount, you choose another player who is. Any manager worth their salt will want to know roughly what a player is costing in fees, wages, and how long they are going to be at the club.
Dan Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 Sven had a list of 50 players he wanted, I remember it being reported at the time. I have no idea where who or how this list was formulated, apart from Ishmail Miller was on it!? I guess Neville signed who he could from that list, and no one at the club (including the owners) had the good basic business brains to put a limit on how far he could go in negotiations. You can point the finger at who you like, but at the end of the day it's the owners who allowed this poor practice to go on. They're all responsible. The lack of organisation is a total embarrassment. Given what most seem to be saying - Sven had a list of players he wanted (which the majority turned out to be poor), we had a bloke doing the transfers who to my knowledge, is inexperienced in that kind of area and spent totally unsustainable money on wages, and both the owners/Sven allowed this to happen, they're equally, if not more responsible. Makes me laugh on here at times. I'm behind Pearson, but there's one point I'm beginning to see from the fans who want Pearson out more and more - and that's that some here have it in for anyone who dares criticise anything about the club. I've got nothing against Robinson coming in, but Richards, I'm sorry but how can anyone defend him or his track record at Wednesday? If this was a manager coming in who'd failed to that degree, the place would be in uproar. If it happens, it happens. If he succeeds then fair enough I'll happily eat my own words, but do people seriously trust someone despised by pretty much an entire fanbase for how poorly he ran their club? Because I certainly don't - and it's not negativity for the sake of negativity, it's realism.
Dan Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 It's a pretty blinkered approach, svens remit was to raise the profile of the club and attract big names. Pearsons was to reduce the wage bill after the board realised they had messed up. Neither manager should be vilified for following out the plans to the budgets they were given, and the 2 managers success rate isn't too different. Sven bashing irritates me, when the same people arse lick Pearson who also has under acheived. Both should have done better, but the real problem has been at the top. Other than Yakubu, I don't think Sven signed any 'names'. He made some very decent signings in the 2010/11 season on loan but I fail to see how any of his signings raised the profile of the club. Funnily enough I'd say Solano, signed by Pearson, is a bigger 'name' than anyone Sven ever got for us.
Strokes Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 If Sven wasn't interested in what his new players were going to be earning then he damn well should have been. The blame is not just his, the people above him could have said we aren't spending that at any point. But he damn well should take some of the blame for many average players being paid much more than they are worth. He identified these players and he should also be involved in the process of deciding if they are value for money or not. That's the whole point of a manager, if you don't think x player is worth x amount, you choose another player who is. Any manager worth their salt will want to know roughly what a player is costing in fees, wages, and how long they are going to be at the club. To a certain point I agree, but sven was appointed on the basis of they're being no limits. He never had a full season, so I feel some judgements are pretty harsh. Especially as those, attacking sven, refuse half seasons on pearsons record. The blame for the fiasco lies with the owners....It's all well and good saying he should have known what they were earning, but if you are told by your employer to bring in a higher profile player, the higher wage bill would have been expected. We won't know whether or not sven would have pulled it off should he have stayed, I just think its harsh that he is given shìt, when in all fairness he delivered what was asked.
Babylon Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 To a certain point I agree, but sven was appointed on the basis of they're being no limits. He never had a full season, so I feel some judgements are pretty harsh. Especially as those, attacking sven, refuse half seasons on pearsons record. The blame for the fiasco lies with the owners....It's all well and good saying he should have known what they were earning, but if you are told by your employer to bring in a higher profile player, the higher wage bill would have been expected. We won't know whether or not sven would have pulled it off should he have stayed, I just think its harsh that he is given shìt, when in all fairness he delivered what was asked. Lets forget results or whether he got a full season etc. That's a different discussion completely. He might well have been asked to bring in bigger names, but he would also have been asked to achieve promotion. Firstly it's rather debatable that we brought in that many higher profile players. Secondly it's definitely debatable that these players were actually good enough to achieve the second and rather more important thing he was tasked with. Just because there are "no limits" nobody really knows if any limit was put on things or not. That does not mean you just pay anything for anyone. Paying out £3/5m for Mills highlights the ridiculousness of it all. If there wasn't contact between the manager and the person doing the negotiating there bloody well should have been. There are, and were better players out there costing less money. Highlighted by the fact we paid a £1m for Wes Morgan. There was little forward planning and in reality Sven probably didn't really give a shit, and it's highly unlikely he ever intended to stay beyond the length of his initial contract.
Strokes Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 Other than Yakubu, I don't think Sven signed any 'names'. He made some very decent signings in the 2010/11 season on loan but I fail to see how any of his signings raised the profile of the club. Funnily enough I'd say Solano, signed by Pearson, is a bigger 'name' than anyone Sven ever got for us. I'm not saying he delivered, I'm saying it was a rediculous idea dreamed up by the owners. Too much too fast, then change your mind mid season after signing 10 or more players.I'm not saying he delivered, on the pitch I'm saying it was a rediculous idea dreamed up by the owners. Too much too fast, then change your mind mid season after signing 10 or more players.
Dan Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 Word for word spot on there. I'm not saying he delivered, I'm saying it was a rediculous idea dreamed up by the owners. Too much too fast, then change your mind mid season after signing 10 or more players. You might be right but he didn't deliver promotion or names. The only big thing he delivered us was our wage bill.
Strokes Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 Sorry I'm getting mucking fiddled with this phone and quoting. I'll wait til I'm home on the laptop
ealingfox Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 I can see what is going to happen now - Richards will con some clubs into taking the shitmunchers off our hands, NP will replace them with some tidy, young players. We will do the same thing we did August-Feb and be top 2, handing out drubbings and keeping clean sheets for fun, but this time we'll have enough on the bench to keep it going. We'll be 2nd going into the last week, 2 points off top. On the last day whoever is top will be held to a draw thanks to a last minute goal by one of the shitmunchers we sold this summer (probably a Danns 35-yard screamer). We will be 1-0 down going into the last 5 minutes when we win a dodgy penalty. Knockaert takes it and scores. Then on 90 minutes, with 4 minutes of injury time, we make a double substitution. Wood and Knockaert make way for Richards and Robinson. With seconds left Robinson uses everything he learnt at Stoke to hoof it away from our half towards their box. Richards goes long and just gets there in time to produce a swivelling bicycle-kick that screams into the far corner of the goal from the edge of the box. Chaos ensues.
Webbo Posted 20 June 2013 Posted 20 June 2013 You know a chairman and /or director of football does more than just get people off the payroll.If nobody wants to buy them then he can only pay them off same as anybody else. If the Thais want somebody more experienced at the helm then that's probably a good idea.
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