Swiss_tony Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 No to be honest, I've become a bit fed up of some of Pearson's decisions recently. I don't like 3-5-2, I also don't like it when he plays with 3 strikers- we lack width because they all want to play down the middle. We've been awful this season, and my worry is that our poor form from last season is just carrying on into this one. I've not been convinced by any of our performances so far. I hope we improve, because you can't play badly and keep picking up points. Sven was a disaster, and we were a far worse team under him. Unbalanced, no bottle, with a team full of under achieving over paid players. He made an absolute mess of us which we will feel for years to come. Our best chance came that season, when the owners gave him a blank cheque book. i'm not defending sven. second only to the taylor years for long term damage. i'm not convinced he had the knowledge to get us out of the championship even if he was given more time. he is a nice man though ....
Swiss_tony Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 Sell fryatt for 1 million quid and invest it in a half season loan for an overweight and past his best yakubu. Absolute Sven madness. yakubu's strike rate for his last 3 clubs (leicester, blackburn, ghangzou) is 1 goal every 2 games. fryatts for his last 2 clubs (leicester, hull) is 1 in 3. but don't let logic get in the way of a good rant.
Fox92 Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 yakubu's strike rate for his last 3 clubs (leicester, blackburn, ghangzou) is 1 goal every 2 games. fryatts for his last 2 clubs (leicester, hull) is 1 in 3. but don't let logic get in the way of a good rant. People defending Sven don't seem to bother with that.
Swiss_tony Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 People defending Sven don't seem to bother with that. shame on them. doesn't alter funkyrobots rubbish though.
inckley fox Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 yakubu's strike rate for his last 3 clubs (leicester, blackburn, ghangzou) is 1 goal every 2 games. fryatts for his last 2 clubs (leicester, hull) is 1 in 3. but don't let logic get in the way of a good rant. Yakubu was 28 and on insane wages, Fryatt was 23 and not. Yakubu served for six months in a side that failed to make the play-offs, Fryatt still had two years of his deal remaining and had made the play-offs with City a season earlier (where he scored in the semi). I'm not disputing that Yakubu was a better player, but I don't think bringing him to the club at the expense of Fryatt worked out for us. Ultimately it resulted in us being short of a striker the following summer and Sven gambling on Beckford, when I'd have preferred to have had (and Sven may well agree on this one in retrospect) Fryatt at the club, and on less money.
inckley fox Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 What exactly does he not have to do before they get rid.....really guys, we are becoming Derby We have progressed not a jot from when Nige took us up - we are still a Championship club in our 5th year of trying to progress - we have made a good start results wise this season but are no better off if we don't go up - we may as well finish 19th as third and fluff the play offs. Let's hope it changes but if he fails this year, a sixth season of this with him flogging his dead horse excuses is unthinkable It will be interesting to see whether stability (not always such a massive advantage if you look at the history books) does us any favours. I like the fact that we've achieved results with three different formations which, I suppose, was impossible when he was trying to settle a new-look side last year. Our one dimensional tactics were a major issue. However Pearson has been very lucky to stay in a job. I doubt this would have happened but for FFP or, perhaps, the owners giving up on us. Last season wasn't a success and it's hard to say progress was made when you are so much poorer in the second half of the season than in the first; and so many young players (Knockaert, Marshall, Wood, Drinkwater et al) seem to be showing little improvement. There was a case for Pearson to go towards the end of last season. Having made the decision to stick with him and then sneaked into the play-offs, and bearing in mind FFP, I'd say the sensible thing to do now is persist until there is no hope of getting promoted this season; as hopelessly conservative as that may sound.
Strokes Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 People defending Sven don't seem to bother with that.Why not compare Fryatt with nugent, rarther than yakubu who was a shit or bust signing to get us up from the bottom of the tableish. Oh wait coz it wouldn't paint sven in such a bad light, I see.
NewburyFox Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 I still hate the fact he let Hobbs go for under 900k. Same, it's so frustrating that we've struggled for a partner for Wes for the past 18 months, when we let the ideal partner with potential leave for less than a million.
Swiss_tony Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 Same, it's so frustrating that we've struggled for a partner for Wes for the past 18 months, when we let the ideal partner with potential leave for less than a million. People forget (and again i'm not defending sven) hobbs' confidence was shot to pieces trying to play in de sousa's side. those 6 games at the start of the season ruined him, and he never looked the same player. maybe that's all sven saw, not the solid center back of yesteryear.
NewburyFox Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 People forget (and again i'm not defending sven) hobbs' confidence was shot to pieces trying to to play in de sousa's side. those 6 games at the start of the season ruined him, and he never looked the same player. maybe that's all sven saw, not the solid center back of yesteryear. Oh I agree, Sousa tried to use him as some kind of ball playing centre back who passed it out from the back and Hobbs was shocking at it, and he never really did recover for us. But in a Pearson side, last seasons Hull side and unfortunately in a Billy Davies side, I think he excels at this level.
RonnieTodger Posted 23 August 2013 Posted 23 August 2013 I beg to differ. Even if we were 7th (which we weren't), that's still considerably worse than what was expected of him. In fact it's considerably worse than where we've finished under Pearson. There was nothing in that side to suggest that we'd finish any higher. A complete failure on all counts but for 2 good signings. Well in Sven.
Strokes Posted 24 August 2013 Posted 24 August 2013 Even if we were 7th (which we weren't), that's still considerably worse than what was expected of him. In fact it's considerably worse than where we've finished under Pearson. There was nothing in that side to suggest that we'd finish any higher. A complete failure on all counts but for 2 good signings. Well in Sven. For the record when sven finished his only season with us, having took over with the club propping up the league devoid of any confidence. We finished the season just one point shy of our total haul last season. When he was sacked the form the club were in was not as bad as patches we went through last season. You can call the guy all you like but results wise we haven't dramaticly improved.
Fox92 Posted 24 August 2013 Posted 24 August 2013 you forgot the bit where Barmby didn't even get into the playoffs with 'pearsons team'. bruce signed a bunch of players to get them to the next level. The spine of the Hull team was generally Pearson's. Chester was probably the best defender in the division last season, signed by Pearson. As was Koren, Brady, Evans, Hobbs... One of my mates supports Hull and he even said that Pearson generally built the team. Now I can't argue with someone that actually watches them every week. Why not compare Fryatt with nugent, rarther than yakubu who was a shit or bust signing to get us up from the bottom of the tableish. Oh wait coz it wouldn't paint sven in such a bad light, I see. I wasn't making the comparison in the first place. I loved Yakubu, too good for this level, but a loan signing that cost us about £1million, maybe £2million? We could have brought Morgan three times for that... Nugent was a good signing, I've always said that. As was St Ledger and Kasper. I still wonder how much they actually earn though.
Manwell Pablo Posted 24 August 2013 Posted 24 August 2013 I am sure you have watched more football than me....if you say so. However, most of your points are merely contentious here. Our Premier league attendances were near capacity and would hold up well against Norwich, Reading, Southampton, or anyone else in the bottom half of the table ( and you know it) As mentioned in another post, 8 of the 12 teams promoted in the past 4 years have done so with managers in the first season and 3 with managers in their second so the 'building a team consistently' bollocks is just that when it comes to actually getting somewhere. 6th in Div 2 for Leicester City is a a failure - your acceptance of it doesn't make it less so. The Leicester leeds game was atrocious Stop arguing for the sake of it Argue for the sake of it you can do one mate your an idiot, one of the biggest ones on here in fact, of course our attendances would be capacity in the Premier League but that again is totally besides the point, we're in the Championship, your talking about finishing 1st or 2nd in the Championship, we are not the 1st or 2nd biggest club in this league no matter what ruler your using to measure club size, and we certainly don't have the best or 2nd best starting 11. Your second point is also, loopey, I am not surprised by that but then your forgetting most teams don't even have a manager for more than 3 years whether they do well or not, if they don't they're sacked, if they do they get a better job and go elsewhere! 4 out of 12 is actually showing that despite nearly every club chopping and changing their manager every 5 minutes, the few that stick might actually get up, I'd like to see the percentage of teams going up who stick with a manager for longer than 3 years compared with the percentages of teams that don't, that'd be interesting stat to read, unlike yours as it's a bent statistic. It is not, you regarding it as such does not make it so. Good result for the boys today though don't your reckon, should at least put you back in your trolls cave until next Saturday!
Corky Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 Sell fryatt for 1 million quid and invest it in a half season loan for an overweight and past his best yakubu. Absolute Sven madness. Yakubu who got 11 in 20? There are things to criticise Sven for but replacing Fryatt with Yakubu isn't one of them.
Guest ttfn Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 I thought we played some lovely stuff under Sven and he seemed like a nice guy. I think it's worth bearing in mind (for all of the talk of him "never getting us above mid-table") that had the 2010/11 season started when Sven took over, we'd have finished a point off the play-offs. Given that he took over a side with no confidence and bottom of the league that was a pretty reasonable achievement. Extrapolated, we'd have got 75 points had he been in charge the whole season, which certainly compares favourably to last term. Regardless, I'm sorry to see a former City manager and a gentleman to boot having been swindled like this.
Guest Col city fan Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 Yakubu who got 11 in 20? There are things to criticise Sven for but replacing Fryatt with Yakubu isn't one of them. Can't agree with this. In fact, it's crap. Yes Yakubu got 11 goals, but it was clear he never wanted to remain at the club. Sven swapped a long-term striker who had scored plenty of goals for the club and who was on a decent wage level, for a parennial journeyman who cost the club 50k per week, allegedly. Great bit of business that eh? And another example of Sven's boom or bust philosophy.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 NP's contract expires at the end of the season, the owners won't offer him a new contract if he doesn't lead us to promotion pretty obvious?, if we fanny about in the playoffs there is no chance of promotion because we don't have the bottle to do well in the playoffs may stand a chance if we finish 3rd or 4th, that is why our best bet is automatic promotion, we have to achieve that this season no question about it. what?
Strokes Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 Can't agree with this. In fact, it's crap. Yes Yakubu got 11 goals, but it was clear he never wanted to remain at the club. Sven swapped a long-term striker who had scored plenty of goals for the club and who was on a decent wage level, for a parennial journeyman who cost the club 50k per week, allegedly. Great bit of business that eh? And another example of Sven's boom or bust philosophy. Nugent was the long term replacement, yak was short term.
fleckneymike Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 Nugent was the long term replacement, yak was short term. Quite right. The goal was promotion that season so we went shit or bust. Ended up bust obviously but Fryatt realistically isn't part of any decent sides long term plans.
Corky Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 Can't agree with this. In fact, it's crap. Yes Yakubu got 11 goals, but it was clear he never wanted to remain at the club. Sven swapped a long-term striker who had scored plenty of goals for the club and who was on a decent wage level, for a parennial journeyman who cost the club 50k per week, allegedly. Great bit of business that eh? And another example of Sven's boom or bust philosophy. He had to go for it, Yakubu was a proven scorer at Premier League level (Fryatt wasn't really above League One).
Guest Col city fan Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 He had to go for it, Yakubu was a proven scorer at Premier League level (Fryatt wasn't really above League One). No he didn't. He could have sensibly built the squad up rather than buying one in an instant. A bit like Pearson now seems to be doing.
Corky Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 No he didn't. He could have sensibly built the squad up rather than buying one in an instant. A bit like Pearson now seems to be doing. He didn't have the time then. He was brought in to get promotion and was given the resources to go for it, meaning we paid a lot of money for players. Whether it was a good move is obviously up for debate, but when we signed Yakubu the long-term strategy wasn't there.
Strokes Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 No he didn't. He could have sensibly built the squad up rather than buying one in an instant. A bit like Pearson now seems to be doing. But that wasn't what he was asked to do as manager, his remit was promotion ASAP here's the cash.
Guest Col city fan Posted 25 August 2013 Posted 25 August 2013 He didn't have the time then. He was brought in to get promotion and was given the resources to go for it, meaning we paid a lot of money for players. Whether it was a good move is obviously up for debate, but when we signed Yakubu the long-term strategy wasn't there. Do you know there was no long term strategy? If so, how? I don't argue with you regarding Yakubu and scoring goals.. Of course he did, what I'm questioning is the getting rid of established players at the club (Fryatt and Hobbs, for example) to replace them with the likes of Yakubu, Mills and Beckford. The magnitude of this error was huge and how anyone can defend Sven (and the paymasters) from that time is beyond me. It's pretty indefensible IMO.
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