Sven

[CosbehFox]

Why do you think we have a god given right to automatic promotion and anything else is a huge managerial failing. 

 

And here's me thinking back when I was a kid the 90s were great. Playoffs year after year. Cracking days. Won more games than lost. Then lots of drama in May. Couple of times we went up, a couple of times we went down. We awful in the early 90s as well.

 

Now in my twenties, I just can't take it. We need the Premier League. We absolutely be in that division. At any expense!

 

Historically I believe our league position in the hierachy is 23rd.

 

In the big picture, football is cyclic. Enjoy the rollercoaster.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

You don't agree that the whole 'Sven project' was naught but a turd?

I'm surprised, I've agreed with quite a few of your posts recently.

The circumstances were different. Sven was told to get us promoted, and the board paid for the players, in essence. He was dumped, without a full season.

 

Pearson came in, again, and still could not achieve. However, now they cannot afford to pay him off, and he is given TWO full seasons, which is farcical. Unless he delivers this season, he will show himself up as a disastrous investment, who just couldn't handle big name players.

 

I am not going to be drawn into any stupid, and pointless arguments. I have said Sven has been and gone, and I stick firmly by my viewpoint.

 

My view is every bit as good as yours, Col, and I do respect your views. You need to wise up some, and respect other points of view.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Hahaha the sheer amount of hypocrisy in that first sentence is amazing! 

 

I'll answer how I like, and yeah keyboard warrior I am, well done I  make no attempt remain anonymous on here and have had discussions with plenty of people off here in person of whom I both agree and disagree with so if you want to hop the Euro Star I'll call you an idiot to your face . Bring a nice Bordeaux with you.

 

If 21 clubs out of 24 have a manager in the first year or second year, more than likely, one of them will go up, it's basic statistics. So it shows nothing. I don't ever remember saying long term stability is a guarantee of success anyway you obviously have to have the right man for the job I just find it amazing you think someone could walk into Pearson's job have no money and finish 2nd with the team we've got for no other reason than "We're Leicester City, we should be in the Premeir League" . This is not to mention you don't even have a clue who you want, it's just anyone but Pearson . The Dullard has got us to the play offs twice in his only two full seasons here and got us out of League One in the other, and we've just made the best start to a Championship campaign since the early 90's and you wonder why people might be content with our managerial situation . Madness.

Dear me, you really despise people who don't agree with your point of view, don't you? What a very sad retard you must be.

[Corky]

 

My view is every bit as good as yours, Col, and I do respect your views. You need to wise up some, and respect other points of view.

 

 

Dear me, you really despise people who don't agree with your point of view, don't you? What a very sad retard you must be.

 

Or just call them names.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

You can when one of the managers was doing genuine damage to the club. Imagine if he'd been here until January? He'd have gone and wasted more money on players who couldn't give a shit about the club who'd probably have dragged us up to 12th.

 

The bloke was a disaster in 11/12. Absolute utter disaster.

Only could have been proved that, had he been given a decent amount of time, before failing. I reckon he would have got us up. Pearson won't. Wanna bet on it? 50 quid says he won't, so put your money where your mouth is.

[Out Foxed]

cheered me up

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Or just call them names.

Come off it Corky, don't you join the sad brigade. Iv'e been called a lot worse, but have never complained about it. Too many Wimps on here methinks

[The Horse's Mouth]

Or just call them names.

He gets more than he gives tbh

[Guest Col city fan]

The circumstances were different. Sven was told to get us promoted, and the board paid for the players, in essence. He was dumped, without a full season.

Pearson came in, again, and still could not achieve. However, now they cannot afford to pay him off, and he is given TWO full seasons, which is farcical. Unless he delivers this season, he will show himself up as a disastrous investment, who just couldn't handle big name players.

I am not going to be drawn into any stupid, and pointless arguments. I have said Sven has been and gone, and I stick firmly by my viewpoint.

My view is every bit as good as yours, Col, and I do respect your views. You need to wise up some, and respect other points of view.

One final post DT, cos you are right... It's been and gone and is all academic now.

Yes, Sven was given money, lots of it, both as a wage and transfer kitty. Hence, the Board were naive (I used the term 'The Sven Project').

HOWEVER, it was still Sven who chose the players wasn't it? They generally weren't good enough... Beckford, Ball, Danns, SSL, Pantsil, Fat Johnno.... All on big salaries and all highly average. None of them value for money.

That's why Sven is indefensible. Having so much money to hand, he could have picked exactly the right players to have had a superb squad at this level. A squad of quality, that gelled together, that resembled a team. Did he do this? No... He tried to assemble a group of misfits and hope it worked.

Take QPR this season.. A similar financial situation (although I concede they have even more money) but I betcha 'The Arry project' will work. Why? Because he's a far better manager of people than Sven and because he can generally pick a player and a team to do a job.

If you can't see this mate, I think you are incredibly blinkered.

But that's just my point of view.

£15 million to assemble the rubbish Sven did?

I'm amazed he wasn't sent packing even sooner...

[Corky]

Come off it Corky, don't you join the sad brigade. Iv'e been called a lot worse, but have never complained about it. Too many Wimps on here methinks

 

You were the one preaching about respecting other people and their views.

[Captain...]

Can we leave Pearson out of this debate, Sven's reign isolated was one of losing lots of money and going nowhere. I was surprised when Sven was sacked as it did seem a little early, but not disappointed it gave up time to find a replacement and that replacement time to assess the squad before January so I guess it made sense. I still don't think Sven was sacked purely on results the players and board lost faith in his ability to do the job, and when that happens it doesn't matter if you have had 10 days or 10 years in the job it is time to go.

[hackneyfox]

a superb squad at this level. A squad of quality, that gelled together, that resembled a team. Did he do this? No... He tried to assemble a group of misfits and hope it worked.

Take QPR this season.. A similar financial situation (although I concede they have even more money) but I betcha 'The Arry project' will work. Why? Because he's a far better manager of people than Sven and because he can generally pick a player and a team to do a job.

If you can't see this mate, I think you are incredibly blinkered.

 

'arry's record last season doesn't back that up though does it, about the same win ratio as the previous incumbant.

[Guest Col city fan]

'arry's record last season doesn't back that up though does it, about the same win ratio as the previous incumbant.

It wasn't his squad though mate was it?

I think he'll get it right now he's had the time to fully assess them, get rid of those he don't want and sign those he does.

The same as Sven had really. But got it wrong.

[hackneyfox]

Agreed it wasn't his squad but I always believed that one of his strenghths was being able to get the best out of almost every player and melding them together to form a team that was hard to beat. He clearly failed on that front last season.

 

I'm a tad biased as I can't stand the crook.

[fleckneymike]

I understand the loans to some extent, but 11 loan signings? Here's the thing he had the core of a successful championship team that came very close to going up, he quickly identified a key area where we needed an improvement and signed Naughton, good move, he also felt we needed better at the back, which I agreed with, and signed Curtis Davies, so far so good. Signing Cunningham when we already had 2 left backs, and one of them the excellent and experienced Berner, didn't agree with, but then he didn't want to play with wingers so looked for width from the full backs, ok. So far so good. We progressed up the league. He signed Vassel, probably overplayed him, he was ok, not a bad addition to the squad, then big Sol, who was a good addition at a great price. Then the merry go round started with the loans, Kirkland and Bednar being 2 of the worst, it just unsettled the team, we were playing with a back four at times that were all on loan and all under 22. That was the madness, despite not being much older Hobbs and Morrison knew what they were doing at this level but were shipped out, Berner was ignored despite being able to bring much needed experience, we shipped out our top scorer, then the goals dried up we had nobody to turn to, couldn't bring in any more loans, because we had reached our quota. All of this without once addressing our aging and underperforming midfielders, Wellens and Oakley.

It was just so baffling at the time, because if we had added Naughton, Yak, Sol to our play off team and another central midfielder we would have finished top 6 easily, but he blew that chance with too many stupid and unnecessary loan signings that added little and unsettled what we already had.

If used correctly the loan market and Sven's contacts could have easily got up into the play offs but he fvcked it up. Simple as that in my eyes. The following season was just a continuation, more signings more money up the wall and no progress.

 

The goals didn't dry up. We actually scored the most ever goals by a City side since something like 1952.

 

As I said that promotion squad just wasn't there and was about to be overhauled by Pearson before he toddled off to Hull, Sousa was charged with doing so on zero budget whilst Mandaric attempted to lure a buyer for the club by slashing costs everywhere.

 

We needed a new RB for the shite Neilson, Sousa had already failed with a budget of 2 buttons and some chewing gum when he got Lamey, Hull coincidentally got two RB's Roseinior and Solano. We needed to replace Brown, Hull coincidentally got Ayala and Gerrard, we got a Portuguese midfielder called Moreno and Vitor. We needed to replace Spearing, Hull coincidentally got Koren and Harper, we got Franck Moussa. We needed to replace a striker Hull coincidentally got in Jay Simpson we got Leon Crncic. We needed to replace Berner, Pearson had already lined up Kennedy (who wasn't very good) so we needed someone to fill in.

 

Belatedly we got Abe and a grossly overpriced Waghorn prior to the takeover in order to placate the fans. Plans to rebuild/overhaul the squad were well underway prior to Nigel's departure, all he simply did was make the same deals at Hull.

 

The loans we got in were the loans that were out there, top players seldom come available for loan. We lucked out with Yak and briefly with Davies but as Davies proved the lure of Premiership football was far greater than our promotion push.

[smudgerfox]

It wasn't his squad though mate was it?

I think he'll get it right now he's had the time to fully assess them, get rid of those he don't want and sign those he does.

The same as Sven had really. But got it wrong.

No-one has mentioned that the "Sven Project" also included improved contracts for Steven Howard, paul Gallagher, Richie Wellens, the last two of which we still live with to this day. The problem is we had rich owners who know nothing about football and a high-spending manager who knew nothing about the Championship. A recipe for failure, which is what ensued. There are many myths about Sven, one is that he is a highly successful manager - he isn't. He had some early success in Sweden, then at Lazio, where the amount of money could mask any shortcomings. After that it's many shades of failure.

[buzzy]

?

1. I mentioned the Board lavished him with funds, which he then spent unwisely.

2. No we aren't in the same position. We are in a different one and, I think, a more sustainable one.

what i meant by same position was we are still in the  championship 

[funkyrobot]

Little impact, are you on drugs?

In the sense that he was signed at a massive expense and we didn't get promoted. We might as well have kept fryatt or spent the money on a permanent signing.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Or just call them names.

Corky, I used the word retard as a quote to someone who first called me a retard. Why should I not respond to him likewise.. If people give it, then they have to take it. Please read the post I responded to,before making such a foolish statement.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

One final post DT, cos you are right... It's been and gone and is all academic now.

Yes, Sven was given money, lots of it, both as a wage and transfer kitty. Hence, the Board were naive (I used the term 'The Sven Project').

HOWEVER, it was still Sven who chose the players wasn't it? They generally weren't good enough... Beckford, Ball, Danns, SSL, Pantsil, Fat Johnno.... All on big salaries and all highly average. None of them value for money.

That's why Sven is indefensible. Having so much money to hand, he could have picked exactly the right players to have had a superb squad at this level. A squad of quality, that gelled together, that resembled a team. Did he do this? No... He tried to assemble a group of misfits and hope it worked.

Take QPR this season.. A similar financial situation (although I concede they have even more money) but I betcha 'The Arry project' will work. Why? Because he's a far better manager of people than Sven and because he can generally pick a player and a team to do a job.

If you can't see this mate, I think you are incredibly blinkered.

But that's just my point of view.

£15 million to assemble the rubbish Sven did?

I'm amazed he wasn't sent packing even sooner...

You see one side of the coin Col, and I and others see the opposite side of it. End of.

[Guest Col city fan]

You see one side of the coin Col, and I and others see the opposite side of it. End of.

Fair enough Bud. It's all opinions..

[Leicester_Numan]

Corky, I used the word retard as a quote to someone who first called me a retard. Why should I not respond to him likewise.. If people give it, then they have to take it. Please read the post I responded to,before making such a foolish statement.

Says the man who called me a tosser, which I didn't respond to in kind

[indierich06]

Corky, I used the word retard as a quote to someone who first called me a retard. Why should I not respond to him likewise.. If people give it, then they have to take it. Please read the post I responded to,before making such a foolish statement.

It's called taking the moral high ground. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

[Strokes]

It's called taking the moral high ground. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

That would make watching leicester slightly more entertaining, id imagine. 😛

[Dan]

The circumstances were different. Sven was told to get us promoted, and the board paid for the players, in essence. He was dumped, without a full season.

 

Pearson came in, again, and still could not achieve. However, now they cannot afford to pay him off, and he is given TWO full seasons, which is farcical. Unless he delivers this season, he will show himself up as a disastrous investment, who just couldn't handle big name players.

 

I am not going to be drawn into any stupid, and pointless arguments. I have said Sven has been and gone, and I stick firmly by my viewpoint.

 

My view is every bit as good as yours, Col, and I do respect your views. You need to wise up some, and respect other points of view.

 

Couldn't handle big names? It's the biggest myth going. If not dealing with players like Danns, Beckford and Mills is 'failing to deal with big names' then yes, we really do lack ambition. Players who've spent the vast majority of their careers outside of the Premier League, if that's a 'big name' to us, then yes we are small-time.

 

They're average Championship players on lower Premier League wages. Could it be that Sven/Neville (whoever signed them, they're both at fault IMO) have over-paid for players who just aren't that good, and are given even less incentive to improve now that they're on that kind of silly money?

 

Everything about Sven's reign was a joke. Absolute utter circus where we allowed hype & money to cloud the reality. Never ever again.