MC Prussian Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Are you a twitter stalker or something? Why would you read a footballers, girlfriends twitter? Given the Mahrez story, I think you're onto something here. Lad clearly's got too much time at his hands and is hooked on Twitter.
kingfox Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 If false or not, he ain't good enough. We could of beat QPR 2-0 or 3-0, if he didn't play two shit passes. He had a great loan spell at Brentford, so I'd loan him out to League 1 again, and see what happens. But for a promotion chasing side, we need players who are capable of scoring goals as back up, I don't see Jeff and GTF for that matter helping us, or grabbing a goal towards the end of a game.
Bert Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 He's better than Waghorn. Can play in a number of positions and provides decent cover. Hasn't had a decent run of games which is why we haven't seen the best of him.
MPH Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Big Jeff was always a prolific goal scorer every time he went out on loan. To Lower division clubs. I had the thought that we had a gem on our hands- a teenager coming through the ranks scoring regularly on loan... thought we had the dogs to be honest. Firstly if he wants to be played regularly as a striker to maximize his impact and grow in that position then he probably needs to go out on loan again or even move on. Nige will do what's best for the team ( that's his job!) not what's best for Jeff. secondly if he DOES want to move on he needs to show he loves his football and right now he isn't showing it.... what is there to intrest potential suitors? I'd so love him to succeed and I still believe he has the potential to make it big but its hidden so very deep down inside of him that it MIGHT prove impossible for some managers to dig it out. As much as I love Pearson If you are not one of his golden boys then he doesn't seem to have much patience with you....
Thracian Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Might be a load of rubbish but no Jeff schlupp on the bench today. Also a friend saw him leave the KP Stadium Xmas eve at about 9.10am which seems a strange time to be at the ground. No other players were there. Could be wanting more regular 1st team football. Hope I'm wrong as I think he's a decent squad player. I thought he should have left when he was on loan. His career would never have revived here but for the Manchester United connection and he's simply suffered from not having either regular games or a regular position. I don't think it was an easy ask for the manager either because Dyer and Konch have both fully justified their places. But, whatever, we've not found a way and I can't believing that some of Schlupp's football has been tempered by the feeling that he's not really anything but a stand in. Whether he finally emerges - as i believe he can - depends on many things but he's going to need regular football and some good coaching whatever. He's in good company. Billy McKay never got a chance here either but seems to have put it behind him with an incredible run of scoring form for Inverness in the Scottish Premier. Sometimes it's no-one fault as such - just which manager you're playing under and whether you naturally fit into their philosophy. Moore might so easily have gone the same way, King's gone backwards and the fact remains that we've not been good at bringing people through. Perhaps partly because the bar's being lifted.
Danno Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Are you a twitter stalker or something? Why would you read a footballers, girlfriends twitter? ****ing tragic. Especially when people arselick them too high heaven.
TJB-fox Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Are you a twitter stalker or something? Why would you read a footballers, girlfriends twitter? I follow bert and bert tweeted her back when she said it..leave it out****ing tragic. Especially when people arselick them too high heaven. I can fully assure you I have never done that, only player ive ever tweeted is mahrez, once
TJB-fox Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Given the Mahrez story, I think you're onto something here. Lad clearly's got too much time at his hands and is hooked on Twitter. well what do you do with your time? Try to make sarky little digs every time I post! Fairly petty
kingfox Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 ****ing tragic. Especially when people arselick them too high heaven. Hayley Gallagher was the saddo's top target. But now Paul's left on loan, the saddo's have to move onto someone else. It just so happens, Schlupp's missus has pulled the short straw.
sdb Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Big fan of JS, and he's versatile. If/when Lloyd runs out of steam Schlupp could be vital imo.
Thracian Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 People refer to needing someone on the bench that we can rely on to score goals and suggest Schlupp can't do that. Maybe they're right but maybe that's down to the inconsistency of what he's asked to do and maybe he gets frustrated when things don't work out and when people make bland assessments as a result. First I'd guarantee that, given the same number of starts in a season, Schlupp would make and score more goals than Knockaert if he's considered to be our supporting striker, but the love of Knockaert is something he can't seem to fight because he never gets the chance to play in his position. Schlupp's really been competing with Dyer and Konchesky and, while i believe Pearson has wanted to keep him involved, Schlupp seems to have done very little but become increasingly frustrated. If he moves away he'll likely build his confidence and self-respect again, just like McKay, but that doesn't mean he could return to Leicester and be appreciated because I believe he's still got too much to learn to have the consistency to displace people who are already highly regarded. If Schlupp's to be an effective striker he needs to strike up partnerships so that those around him know best how to utilise his pace and ability. Somehow I don't see that happening. King is perhaps the midfielder most suited to linking with his style but perhaps it's even time for King to move on, and I don't see Knockaert linking with anyone - he's a maverick who just plays his own way and who will be forgiven anything because the pluses seem to weigh heavier than the minuses. Schlupp perhaps sees that too and, although not competing directly for his position (although I see Schlupp as a supporting central midfielder) Knocky's regular inclusion means there's once less chance of Schlupp getting in and he knows there's little chance of him displacing the two left-siders either as a winger or full-back. So basically he's snookered and Pearson can't do much to get him out of it. What's left is Schlupp's response and his being left out of the squad might be a pointer to that. Either he can do his level best and hope for a break - unlikely given that he doesn't even have a regular position. Or he can leave, go somewhere where he does have some positional assurance, and build his career from there. Bottom line is that, money apart, he should have stayed either at Brentford or gone somewhere else he could play regularly. Emerging young players need games whatever Pearson's problems in giving them one - not bits and pieces and in all sorts of positions before they've built their knowledge and confidence in one. There's no right and wrong in this. As someone's mentioned, Pearson's first duty is to the team not to any individual. But a young player's duty is to his career and Schlupp needs to look at how Billy McKay's got on.
Thracian Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 He was dreadful. Says it all for the state of his mind and the way he seems to have been left feeling within the club. I'd bet he soon stops being "dreadful" if he goes out on loan.
Guest ttfn Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 I see Schlupp as a supporting central midfielder I have a lot of time for you and a lot of time for Schlupp as well -I still think he can be a big player for us - but he is not a central midfielder. "Jeff might be a left back, a winger, a communist, a striker but he is not a central midfielder/porn star" Abraham Simpson
MGLCFC Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 I don't think Pearson has a problem giving emerging players a chance (Drinkwater, James, Knockaert, Moore, De Laet, to name a few were all very young, plus some of his loan signings Miquel, Kane, Keane). I really don't feel JS is ready to play a pivotal role at present. Part of that is his inability to nail down his best position. As a full back, he's lots to learn, as a striker he's no better than Waghorn and as a winger, he's similar to Dyer, that is lacking an end product. I do think a loan to a lower Championship side would give him a chance to play in a settled position and we can all judge whether he can make the grade. At present, will only ever be a fringe player.
Dickov22 Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Schlupp is a hundred times better than Waghorn. Keep him.
MGLCFC Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Both are pretty average players at this level Dickov. I don't see either making any great impact on games. When Schlupp started against Derby in the League Cup, he looked so out of his depth. Once Nugent came on, you could see we had a striker on that knew what he was doing and the role he had to play. People have a go at Nugent, but he's a very intelligent striker and links up with midfield so well.
Thracian Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 I have a lot of time for you and a lot of time for Schlupp as well -I still think he can be a big player for us - but he is not a central midfielder. "Jeff might be a left back, a winger, a communist, a striker but he is not a central midfielder/porn star" Abraham Simpson Haha - I don't know about his politics or whether he has the attributes or inclination to work in the sex industry, but whenever I've seen him play cameos in (supporting) central midfield he's looked excellent. His pace, strength and close control allowed him to find space and he showed on many occasions that he can pick a pass, play a quick one-two and finish. One of the reasons we don't get many clear-cup chances now seems to be our lack of one-twos in and around the box. Perhaps what we really need is a footballer who can pass with the penetration of a porn star! Not sure I'd go that far in Schlupp's defence but I don't see anyone better within our squad now kingy seems to have gone into winter exile. .
Thracian Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 I don't think Pearson has a problem giving emerging players a chance (Drinkwater, James, Knockaert, Moore, De Laet, to name a few were all very young, plus some of his loan signings Miquel, Kane, Keane). I really don't feel JS is ready to play a pivotal role at present. Part of that is his inability to nail down his best position. As a full back, he's lots to learn, as a striker he's no better than Waghorn and as a winger, he's similar to Dyer, that is lacking an end product. I do think a loan to a lower Championship side would give him a chance to play in a settled position and we can all judge whether he can make the grade. At present, will only ever be a fringe player. Sorry i was referring to players "emerging" from our youth set-up. When he brings in his own young players he's almost obliged to have some faith in them. As for your assessment I think most of us would agree for the most part and, indeed, one of Schlupp's problems is that he's not given Pearson that much encouragement to pick him. It's the reasons for that which concern me and, either way, I can only see the best path for both parties would be his moving out on loan.
Fox92 Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Wouldn't be too bothered if he was to leave. Still think we need another decent striker as back up to Nugent, Vardy and Wood anyway regardless of whether Schlupp leaves or stays. The only advantage Schlupp has over other strikers, ie Waghorn, is his ability to play in three positions. Although I don't rate Schlupp highly, he can still do a job up top, out wide, or at left full back.
MGLCFC Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 OK Thracian, however, I wouldn't have thought Pearson the type of manager to buy young players if he thought there were better alternatives available in our own youth system?
Thracian Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 OK Thracian, however, I wouldn't have thought Pearson the type of manager to buy young players if he thought there were better alternatives available in our own youth system? Haha - I'm not going down that road!
Thracian Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Wouldn't be too bothered if he was to leave. Still think we need another decent striker as back up to Nugent, Vardy and Wood anyway regardless of whether Schlupp leaves or stays. The only advantage Schlupp has over other strikers, ie Waghorn, is his ability to play in three positions. Although I don't rate Schlupp highly, he can still do a job up top, out wide, or at left full back. Schlupp and Waghorn are so different as players and the biggest similarity so far is that they are about as frustrating as one another.
Corky Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 I feel for Schlupp in the respect that Konchesky is usually a reliable performer and a natural in that position, whereas Schlupp obviously doesn't have both, and Dyer is having a very good season. To me, he isn't a natural up front and even then Vardy is performing consistently and Nugent, despite not producing top form, is still scoring goals. He hasn't helped himself with some sub appearances, Man City apart where I thought he looked promising. A loan would be the best move or he may just have to hope for an injury or loss of form for Dyer/ Konchesky.
Tom17LCFC Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 Keep him, very versatile and definitely has potential. Also nice seeing an academy product in the first team. Love Jeff
ADK Posted 27 December 2013 Posted 27 December 2013 He's looked promising as a left back and left mid and absolutely useless as a striker. Waghorn is a much better option as a striker. I'm not fussed about Schlupp , if he's happy to be a utility player for us then fair enough. If he wants first team football I wouldn't be upset if he left.
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