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[Bayfox]

 

Bayfox, I think we may have our wires crossed. Getting a thumping for celebrating your team's goal or win is not acceptable so I apologise if you thought that was what I was indicating. For me violence has no place in the football ground no matter where you sit. Banter? Yes. Violence? No.

Of course if you choose to sit with the other team's supporters and wind them up then you are asking for trouble, But celebrating your team's goal, in my book, does not count as winding up.

 

COYB

 

Ok, so what relevance does your point about rugby make?

You are essentially taring all football fans with the same brush. Saying it is there fault we are kept apart, that maybe, I don't know enough about the original history of supporting your club to comment on when following your club away became a popular past time, or if fans used to stand side by side. I believe the Merseyside Derby still has an element of this.

But I assume the authorities still believe it is the best way to deal with us football fans.

Sorry if I misunderstood your point, but I think the reason that football is different, is due to the fact it was a working mans game, so yes maybe the mentality is different it is more tribal, people saw it as a way of protecting or increasing your towns reputation, rightly or wrongly.

But rugby fans apart from maybe for european ties etc, hardly travel on mass and I don't think there is the same feeling of emotion. Is this due to the backgrounds of a rugby fan, I don't know I'm not one, but I grew up with 3 in my house and I would say although we are obviously all very similar, they didn't have the raw emotion for ruby that I feel with LCFC.

There idea of an away day was a trip to Paris for the cup final, mine is a trip to Carlise that takes just as long!!!

[MC Prussian]

Obviously I can't, that's absurd. What I can say is that at a very base level the mentality that you have the right to harm another physically simply because you believe yourself to be better than someone, or maybe have an irrational hate of them because of their beliefs, has been a common factor in many conflicts over the years.

 

There are obviously differing levels. Take a school bully, potentially just a few scrapes and bruises. A football fan at a game could get into a scrap that could result in broken bones. A group of fans at a game could result in the riots and stabbings of the eighties.

 

How about a man holding those feelings who somehow finds himself the leader of a nation, with a people and army willing to listen to his ideals and take action on his behalf?

 

I'm sure you can see my point.

 

I hasten to add that I didn't actually use this example, I was merely trying explain why the poster thought he could.

 

Of course using the holocaust as an example is the difference between night and day compared to incidents at football games. However, I believe it is possible to draw parallels between the types of thinking that makes either action justifiable to a particular person.

I'm sorry, but I still do not see how you can make connections between aggressions during a football game and the death of millions of people.

 

This is getting more and more absurd by the minute.

There are no parallels between those two worlds - they are thousands of miles apart!

You're talking sudden ill feelings built up during a match of 90 minutes or less compared to a deeply-rooted, sinister hate on a national level.

Ridiculous!

[MajorDanby]

I'm sorry, but I still do not see how you can make connections between aggressions during a football game and the death of millions of people.

 

This is getting more and more absurd by the minute.

There are no parallels between those two worlds - they are thousands of miles apart!

You're talking sudden ill feelings built up during a match of 90 minutes or less compared to a deeply-rooted, sinister hate on a national level.

Ridiculous!

 

I agree lets leave it be

[Kitchandro]

Anyone who believes that is deluded. Ok, take rugby out of it. There are loads of other sports where supporters are equally as passionate, but they do not need to be segregated for their own safety. It's only because of the idiots who can't control their emotions that barriers have to be put in place.

I repeat it's a sad reflection on the mindset of some of our so-called football supporters.

 

Such as? I really can't think of any.

 

Football is a massive part of many people's lives, you can't compare the impact it has on society with anything else.

 

Anyway, like most football fans I'd hate there to be no segregation. The joy of being amongst an army of singing, celebrating Leicester fans is the fun of it. Crowds would drop massively if crowds were all mixed in and rightly so.

[Kitchandro]

I do think the problem is increased by having fences and stewards and this idea that football fans can't sit together, down the pub you often get rival fans sitting together and having a bit of a chat and celebrating their own goals. The problem is this tribal mentality, that this is our turf, you can't come in here unless you are one of us. 99% of football fans are decent sorts, and they often have friends that support other teams and they will watch matches together with out kicking the crap out of each other. It is crazy to think in this time of FFP clubs are refusing to sell tickets and would rather have half empty home ends than accomodate a few more away fans.

 

There needs to be an away allocation to ensure they get their fair share of tickets, but I see no reason why more clubs can't adopt the Fulham approach, have a neutral stand, where home away or anyone else can sit in there. Look at the amount of empty seats at Brum, it was pitiful, they could have all got in one stand. Football violence is more or less a thing of the past, but it is perpetuated by these archaic policing and ticketing laws. You trust football fans to act like normal human beings then I honestly believe they will, you treat them like animals they will behave like them.

 

Fvcking hell, you being reasonable until you suggested everyone be like Fulham. That stand is fvcking pathetic and I don't want anything of that sort near us.

 

There were empty seats at Brum because their fans are shit and ticket prices are too expensive, not because people wanted to sit with the away fans at couldn't.

 

Where has this no segregation debate come from? It's got nothing to do with the issue at Bournemouth.

[Captain...]

Fvcking hell, you being reasonable until you suggested everyone be like Fulham. That stand is fvcking pathetic and I don't want anything of that sort near us.

 

There were empty seats at Brum because their fans are shit and ticket prices are too expensive, not because people wanted to sit with the away fans at couldn't.

 

Where has this no segregation debate come from? It's got nothing to do with the issue at Bournemouth.

 

The Fulham stand is no more pathetic the see of empty seats at Brum, and Leicester fans unable to get tickets.

 

What happened at Bournemouth wouldn't have happened if there was no segregation and football fans acted in a football stadium the same way they do in the pub when watching the game. The segregation, polcing and ticketing policies only serve to exascerbate the situation not improve it. I remember those Millwall "hardnuts" trying to cross the divide and get at the Leicester fans, do you think they would act anything like that if there wasn't a block of seats and a line of security between them. Start treating football fans like decent human beings and they will act like it.

[Kitchandro]

The Fulham stand is no more pathetic the see of empty seats at Brum, and Leicester fans unable to get tickets.

 

What happened at Bournemouth wouldn't have happened if there was no segregation and football fans acted in a football stadium the same way they do in the pub when watching the game. The segregation, polcing and ticketing policies only serve to exascerbate the situation not improve it. I remember those Millwall "hardnuts" trying to cross the divide and get at the Leicester fans, do you think they would act anything like that if there wasn't a block of seats and a line of security between them. Start treating football fans like decent human beings and they will act like it.

 

What happened at Bournemouth wouldn't have happened if there was a bigger away end. I could have attempted to go in the Bournemouth end like other City fans as I quite fancied going but I didn't bother as there's not much point for me if I have to sit with opposition fans instead of my own.

 

If you gave me a choice of sitting with my own fans or opposition fans I'd choose ours every time. I wouldn't bother going to any matches if I had to sit with opposition fans.

 

Even in the pub there is segregation - if it's filled with both teams haven't you noticed that one set usually congregates on other side to their opponents?

 

Fvck me, you want me to sit with Millwall fans?

 

Would you really want fans to all sit together and have no away end? Really?

 

Because I can assure you a lot more grounds would be like St Andrews the other night.

[hackneyfox]

The idea of going to Millwall and there not being a bloody big fence between us is rather frightening.

The locals aren't like that due to football, they are like that because many of them are animals who look upon outsiders as a threat, they had a BNP councillor a few years back.

[Captain...]

What happened at Bournemouth wouldn't have happened if there was a bigger away end. I could have attempted to go in the Bournemouth end like other City fans as I quite fancied going but I didn't bother as there's not much point for me if I have to sit with opposition fans instead of my own.

 

If you gave me a choice of sitting with my own fans or opposition fans I'd choose ours every time. I wouldn't bother going to any matches if I had to sit with opposition fans.

 

Even in the pub there is segregation - if it's filled with both teams haven't you noticed that one set usually congregates on other side to their opponents?

 

Fvck me, you want me to sit with Millwall fans?

 

Would you really want fans to all sit together and have no away end? Really?

 

Because I can assure you a lot more grounds would be like St Andrews the other night.

 

I have not said that, you could have an away end, a home end where those that want to stand and sing and jump around are free to do it, you can have a family stand, and then an end, where anyone who wants to watch the match can go regardless of allegiance, obviously home fans get priority, but when you have spare tickets I see no reason why a fan of the opposition, Millwall or otherwise, should be stopped from taking it. I know a couple of Millwall fans, they are normal people. You can serve prawn sandwiches and have padded seats in there if you want, football should be inclusive for everyone even plastic fans, and football stadiums are big enough to incorporate them all. This would not stop anyone doing what they want, just giving people another option, which is to watch an away match like a normal human being without being abused physically or verbally.

[Bayfox]

 

The idea of going to Millwall and there not being a bloody big fence between us is rather frightening.

The locals aren't like that due to football, they had a BNP councillor a few years back.

 

Don't come to East Goscote then mate.

So do we.

[Vlad the Fox]

Don't come to East Goscote then mate.

So do we.

I was told she got in by one vote last time as well. Hopefully next time a few more will vote to get her out.

[Vlad the Fox]

Regarding sporting violence, the last time I came across any was at a rugby match, Munster fans throwing coins outside the ground.

[Bayfox]

 

I was told she got in by one vote last time as well. Hopefully next time a few more will vote to get her out.

 

It was actually a massive 6 votes!!

She's actually pretty decent at the whole PR thing and has tried to do a lot for the village.

Is she any better or worse than the rest, who knows.

[Tom's Pasta]

I was in the home end, I was on my best behaviour but fans around me still knew I was a city fan. However because I managed to just about hold it together when we scored, there were no problems. If you're sitting in the wrong end just accept that you have to control your emotions.

 

First post, how did I do?

[Captain...]

I was in the home end, I was on my best behaviour but fans around me still knew I was a city fan. However because I managed to just about hold it together when we scored, there were no problems. If you're sitting in the wrong end just accept that you have to control your emotions.

First post, how did I do?

Correct use of punctuation, no spelling mistakes, a considered and balanced point of view expressed accurately, concisely and without insults....

You'll never fit in here.

[foxfanazer]

I was in the home end, I was on my best behaviour but fans around me still knew I was a city fan. However because I managed to just about hold it together when we scored, there were no problems. If you're sitting in the wrong end just accept that you have to control your emotions.

First post, how did I do?

Nail on the head.

Nobody deserves to be assaulted but you take a risk sitting amongst opposition fans and antagonising them. Only the idiots will assault you but there are plenty of them around

[oldbluefox]

I have not said that, you could have an away end, a home end where those that want to stand and sing and jump around are free to do it, you can have a family stand, and then an end, where anyone who wants to watch the match can go regardless of allegiance, obviously home fans get priority, but when you have spare tickets I see no reason why a fan of the opposition, Millwall or otherwise, should be stopped from taking it. I know a couple of Millwall fans, they are normal people. You can serve prawn sandwiches and have padded seats in there if you want, football should be inclusive for everyone even plastic fans, and football stadiums are big enough to incorporate them all. This would not stop anyone doing what they want, just giving people another option, which is to watch an away match like a normal human being without being abused physically or verbally.

Spot on.........

[Vlad the Fox]

It was actually a massive 6 votes!!

She's actually pretty decent at the whole PR thing and has tried to do a lot for the village.

Is she any better or worse than the rest, who knows.

I can't abide what her party stands for though. I took a look at her Facebook friends list a while back which was littered with bulldogs and balaclavas.

[Buce]

Correct use of pronunciation, no spelling mistakes, a considered and balanced point of view expressed accurately, concisely and without insults....

You'll never fit in here.

Punctuation (I assume that's what you meant by 'pronunciation'?) is passable, though not perfect, and 'city' should begin with an upper-case 'c'.

Fcuking brilliant for this forum.

[Buce]

I think we can all agree that you should be able to sit anywhere in the ground without fear of being assaulted, just like we should be able to leave our car unlocked without it being stolen, but the world isn't like that.

Be offended if you get a slap, by all means, but you shouldn't be surprised.

[deejdeej]

Cant believe I read comparisons with the Holocaust.

Hitler- leader of the Nazi's that killed jews.

Eddie Howe- leader of Bournemouth who's fans abused some of ours.

My conclusion = Eddie Howe is a reincarnation of Hitler.

[Tom's Pasta]

Punctuation (I assume that's what you meant by 'pronunciation'?) is passable, though not perfect, and 'city' should begin with an upper-case 'c'.

Fcuking brilliant for this forum.

 

Appreciate the feedback, my best is yet to come I hope.

[Buce]

Appreciate the feedback, my best is yet to come I hope.

All very tongue-in-cheek, mate; compared to most on here you are a literary genius.

Btw, welcome to FT.

[Tom's Pasta]

All very tongue-in-cheek, mate; compared to most on here you are a literary genius.

Btw, welcome to FT.

 

Thank you sir.

[steveherbe]

I was in the home end, I was on my best behaviour but fans around me still knew I was a city fan. However because I managed to just about hold it together when we scored, there were no problems. If you're sitting in the wrong end just accept that you have to control your emotions.

 

First post, how did I do?

Too bloody intellectual for here, bloody students.