MajorDanby Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 Only Exeter and Wimbledon can consider themselves fan owned in that they make an active input towards the running of the club. Pompey is basically a local consortium with a fan trust member on the board and Brentford are pretty much in the hands of a single bloke now...a poker player. Fan ownership can have its pitfalls. Because you are asking people who work to add more time to something. Also easy for petty arguments to start. I read something on how difficult the likes of Wrexham and Chester have found it recently. There's no real formula for good ownership. Swansea?
Number 6 Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 He (Fawaz) actually released a statement at the end of the transfer window . Think he loves seeing his face in the papers too much!
CosbehFox Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 Swansea? As a model of good ownership, I agree and there's a couple of fans who sit on their board too. Got lucky with the stadium mind.
Jordan Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 He (Fawaz) actually released a statement at the end of the transfer window . Think he loves seeing his face in the papers too much!He'd get his face in the papers a little more often if he allowed the press more access to the team.
KIRBYFOX93 Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 Can't forget the free shirts for forest away last season, wear it to bed. Thank you Top for giving me something to remember that day by forever. My missus wears the top to bed haha!! Great day
Unabomber Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 My missus wears the top to bed haha!! Great day Pics?
SystonFox Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 Our owners don't announce signings on Twitter when they've not actually gone through fully. Our owners don't have twitter. This is why they are better
StanSP Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 Our owners don't have twitter. This is why they are better That too
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 What's so good about Germany? Those English clubs are all crap too. Well, they pretty much dominated the champions league last season, their season tickets are cheap, they have the biggest attendances and best atmospheres in Europe, teams regularly make profits, they produce no end of talented players
LutterworthLCFC Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 Plus our owners bought the 6500 that went to coventry on the opening game of the season a pint or another drink at the next home game! Expensive round!
Vlad the Fox Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 I'm not really clued up on German football or how it's organised, but if they are fan run why are the tickets so cheap? For me the biggest reason why it can't happen here is because of the extortionate wages paid out, surely no fans group could sustain that kind of revenue. Are the German players on smaller wages or do the clubs get subsidised? Is it something that could realistically work here or is our infrastructure too different? And do they gave the same problems with agents stirring up the transfer markets?
CosbehFox Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 I'm not really clued up on German football or how it's organised, but if they are fan run why are the tickets so cheap? For me the biggest reason why it can't happen here is because of the extortionate wages paid out, surely no fans group could sustain that kind of revenue. Are the German players on smaller wages or do the clubs get subsidised? Is it something that could realistically work here or is our infrastructure too different? And do they gave the same problems with agents stirring up the transfer markets? There's a lot of myths about German football. Clubs are not fan owned necessarily. No party can only own more than 50% basically. You still have companies such as VW, Red Bull, SAP and Bayer ploughing significant amount of money into the clubs. Bayern Munich have part of them owned by Adidas for example. However most clubs have a fan presence on their boards. Only terrace tickets could be considered cheaper. Seating is roughly the same price as over here. Crowds are bigger too so it makes up the wages. The recent case of Lewandowski proves that agents certainly can work their magic in Germany. Rumours are BVB have agreed personal terms with Ramos from Hertha without agreeing a transfer fee yet.
Kitchandro Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 When either club is fan-owned then I'll consider us/them to have the best owners in football. Fan-owned would help but it doesn't have to be. If owners respected fans enough to make ticket prices acceptable, support safe-standing and not discourage atmosphere they'd be well on their way. Anyway, the main reason Top and Vichai are better than Fawaz is because they picked a decent club.
Mark 'expert' Lawrenson Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Well, they pretty much dominated the champions league last season, their season tickets are cheap, they have the biggest attendances and best atmospheres in Europe, teams regularly make profits, they produce no end of talented players Yes, but what else?
Kitchandro Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Sorry Chris but you can't put number 2 in there seriously.
Dr The Singh Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Another thread about 'whose shit is better then whose'!!!!
Harry - LCFC Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Another thread about 'whose shit is better then whose'!!!! Well yeah, that's what rivalries are about you know. How about points tallies, are we allowed to point out that 'our shit' is better than 'their shit'?
StanSP Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Well yeah, that's what rivalries are about you know. How about points tallies, are we allowed to point out that 'our shit' is better than 'their shit'? That's some good shit right there
MooseBreath Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Well, they pretty much dominated the champions league last season, their season tickets are cheap, they have the biggest attendances and best atmospheres in Europe, teams regularly make profits, they produce no end of talented players They pretty much dominated it last season yes, but the 50+1 rule has been in place since the early 90s, more than two decades throughout which they've usually been also-rans at the very best. Their season tickets are marginally cheaper than here, which reflects the fact that the standard of football there has been poor for a long time. Likewise profitability is easy when you've got no world class players on high wages. Besides, LCFC are currently profitable anyway. Plus there are actually plenty of clubs in Germany who have had financial difficulties. Generally the smaller clubs who haven't got wealthy backers. Also German clubs often have things like stadium and local infrastructure improvements paid for by the tax payer, which is never going to happen here and rightly so. All in all there are some good things about German football, but it's no panacea, and thinking we could emulate their model and immediately rid ourselves of our our woes is just naeve.
Kitchandro Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 They pretty much dominated it last season yes, but the 50+1 rule has been in place since the early 90s, more than two decades throughout which they've usually been also-rans at the very best. Their season tickets are marginally cheaper than here, which reflects the fact that the standard of football there has been poor for a long time. Likewise profitability is easy when you've got no world class players on high wages. Besides, LCFC are currently profitable anyway. Plus there are actually plenty of clubs in Germany who have had financial difficulties. Generally the smaller clubs who haven't got wealthy backers. Also German clubs often have things like stadium and local infrastructure improvements paid for by the tax payer, which is never going to happen here and rightly so. All in all there are some good things about German football, but it's no panacea, and thinking we could emulate their model and immediately rid ourselves of our our woes is just naeve. Their season tickets on the terrace are massively cheaper. And give me that over great football and and 'world class players on high wages' any day, frankly. We certainly could do with being more like the Germans.
MooseBreath Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Their season tickets on the terrace are massively cheaper. I don't think the average season ticket is massively cheaper. We don't have terraces so it's an unfair comparison to begin with (and fan ownership wouldn't necessarily bring terraces back). There are a few very cheap season tickets in Germany but you're on a list of thousand waiting for individuals to die before you get one, so again it's not something that would realistically bring us any benefit.
Hugo Sanchez Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 11. Platinum prices for Watford and Derby.
C-man Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 I don't think the average season ticket is massively cheaper. We don't have terraces so it's an unfair comparison to begin with (and fan ownership wouldn't necessarily bring terraces back). There are a few very cheap season tickets in Germany but you're on a list of thousand waiting for individuals to die before you get one, so again it's not something that would realistically bring us any benefit. 25,000 season ticket holders on the South Stand in Dortmund. Paying around £160 for 17 BL games, £200 for BL and 3 CL games. Hardly a marginal difference even accounting for terrace vs seats. Agree regarding the waiting list for Dortmund, Bayern etc but that wouldn't be the case here would it?
Dan Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Comparisons between Leicester and Dortmund are silly. They're bigger than we'll ever be. However I think they make the most of their fanbase - for me Leicester simply don't.
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