Buying cheap products is moraly wrong

[Parafox]

just watching the documentary on ITV about how workers in India and other places are threatened, assaulted and abused in the production of garments that are sold cheaply in the UK. It's abuse on an industrial scale. Children being kicked and hit with fabric rolls, fire doors locked, people forced to work without breaks for food or toilet,all for so  money, 6 pounds per week, to provide cheap clothes and other things.

 

BHS, Miss Selfridge (600 million in profit last year), Primark amongst many others

 

Make a stand people,

 

if it was happening here would you put up with it?

 

It might as well be happening here if you buy clothes from these companies.

[Lamby]

Sounds like my job at the moment!

[Webbo]

If they weren't working in that factory for 6 pounds a week they'd be working in a field for 1 pound a week. It's all relative.

[Rincewind]

If they weren't working in that factory for 6 pounds a week they'd be working in a field for 1 pound a week. It's all relative.

Does it make it any righter?

 

(Righter?)

[Harry - LCFC]

Just wondering, how much would prices need to go up to raise wages to an acceptable rate (wherever that may be)?

 

At such low pay rates I wouldn't have thought the consumer would have to take that much of a hit to make an impact.

[Strokes]

I buy British where I can but not because I give a shit about this crap. I do it to support the economy.

[ozleicester]

Raises one of the great questions of our time (imo),

 

As Webbo says 6 is better than 1... but does that justify it? .... 1 is better than .50.... so where do we stop.

 

We live in a world where there IS enough to go around, no one deserves or earns a 5 million pound a year salary.

 

 

Richest 2% Own Half World Wealth; Bottom 50% Own 1% - UN Report

 

http://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/12/05/richest_2_own_half_world_wealth_bottom_50_own_1_un.html

 

 

So many people talk about capping footballers wages but dont mention CEO's and bankers etc. No one needs that much money and people are starving!

[Harry - LCFC]

I buy British where I can but not because I give a shit about this crap. I do it to support the economy.

 

Extreme poverty: crap, not to be given a shit about

[Thracian]

just watching the documentary on ITV about how workers in India and other places are threatened, assaulted and abused in the production of garments that are sold cheaply in the UK. It's abuse on an industrial scale. Children being kicked and hit with fabric rolls, fire doors locked, people forced to work without breaks for food or toilet,all for so  money, 6 pounds per week, to provide cheap clothes and other things.

 

BHS, Miss Selfridge (600 million in profit last year), Primark amongst many others

 

Make a stand people,

 

if it was happening here would you put up with it?

 

It might as well be happening here if you buy clothes from these companies.

 

 

 

I only bought one pair of shoes from Primark and am amazed they were allowed to sell em, they were of such poor quality. Fell apart in next to no time.  Whoever made em was overpaid whatever they got.

As for the so-called profits of companies like Miss Selfridge, they have high investment costs too while keeping huge numbers of people in jobs, and considerable numbers of even High St retailers haven't been able to survive so their "profits" don't necessarily last very long.

Why would they do it for nothing anyway? Why don't you take the responsibility for running a chain of shops and for taking on the problems of countless employees and see what sort of reward you want?

Employees can always take responsibility for employing themselves instead of having their hands held by others.   

[Turtles Head]

I only bought one pair of shoes from Primark and am amazed they were allowed to sell em, they were of such poor quality. Fell apart in next to no time. Whoever made em was overpaid whatever they got.

If you were working in poor conditions, badly underpaid, and given cheap materials, do you think you could do any better?

[ronnup]

It is very bad but a product of global economy. If they're ever to develop they need to work and earn money. It's not like they're choosing that over a 20 grand a year job.

[Thracian]

If you were working in poor conditions, badly underpaid, and given cheap materials, do you think you could do any better?

 

Poor conditions? You should come and work on the market in winter pal with temperatures of up to minus 8, wind and rain pounding everything, very little time to take a toilet break and certainly no chance of a meal break.

The day starts at 5.45, you load a vehicle four times each day by hand and you don't sit down from start to finish most days. You stand and listen to everyone's woes as they visit either the job centre, the courts, the social services or the hospital.

Even if the weather's awful you pay for your stall knowing that there's every likelihood that you won't take a bean. Don't tell me about poor conditions and low pay.

As for the materials you're probably right - so why is anyone allowed to sell such rubbish?. And if they weren't such factories wouldn't exist which would be a blessing for all those poor people in places like England who think they're buying shoes that might at least last the school year.                

[Finnegan]

Ah, good old Thracian.

[Turtles Head]

Poor conditions? You should come and work on the market in winter pal with temperatures of up to minus 8, wind and rain pounding everything, very little time to take a toilet break and certainly no chance of a meal break.

The day starts at 5.45, you load a vehicle four times each day by hand and you don't sit down from start to finish most days. You stand and listen to everyone's woes as they visit either the job centre, the courts, the social services or the hospital.

Even if the weather's awful you pay for your stall knowing that there's every likelihood that you won't take a bean. Don't tell me about poor conditions and low pay.

As for the materials you're probably right - so why is anyone allowed to sell such rubbish?. And if they weren't such factories wouldn't exist which would be a blessing for all those poor people in places like England who think they're buying shoes that might at least last the school year.

I work 60-70 hour weeks, never had a break in this career. 6 years. It's irrelevant that you start at 5.45, I start an hour after you, and I bet I work a lot later.

Personally, as an aside, I think low paid workers are magnificent creatures.

[Finnegan]

I work 60-70 hour weeks, never had a break in this career. 6 years. It's irrelevant that you start at 5.45, I start an hour after you, and I bet I work a lot later.

Personally, as an aside, I think low paid workers are magnificent creatures.

!!!

[davieG]

It's not just cheap goods that are produced in these conditions.

These manufacturing countries are going through what western countries went through during the industrial revolution.

[Dr The Singh]

FACT:  Let's not be niave, making products more expensive will not mean that the wealth will filter down to the worker.  This has been tried and tested before, many operations in the 3rd world have a public face of operations which would fool the 3rd world while majority is hidden.  Until those nations become civilised, don't waste ur money

[Captain...]

The real problem is that costs in this country have sky rocketed, to produce a fraction of what is produced over there over here would make clothes almost prohibitively expensive. We need this cheap labour force to allow us to continue the consumerist lifestyle our whole economy is based on.

[Guest MattP]

Did people not have enough common sense these days fo realise that a pair of shoes that cost you 2 quid probably came from slave labour?

I do buy ethically, I buy free range and fair trade when possible. Clothes I only buy a few brands anyway and I'm sure they don't exploit workers as they all seem to be made in Europe.

[Jon the Hat]

Who the **** shops in these places anyway?  Not me.  I went into Primark once - there was a fight in the queue, and the place was like a pig sty.  Scum.

[MooseBreath]

I think most of their customers are teenage girls. For me it's a question of where to put the responsibility, on the consumers or the retailers. Given most of their customers are teenage girls, I think the responsibility should be on the retailer to impose standards on their supply chain.

[FoxyPV]

I work 60-70 hour weeks, never had a break in this career. 6 years. It's irrelevant that you start at 5.45, I start an hour after you, and I bet I work a lot later.

Personally, as an aside, I think low paid workers are magnificent creatures.

 

[Rincewind]

Raises one of the great questions of our time (imo),

 

As Webbo says 6 is better than 1... but does that justify it? .... 1 is better than .50.... so where do we stop.

 

We live in a world where there IS enough to go around, no one deserves or earns a 5 million pound a year salary.

 

 

Richest 2% Own Half World Wealth; Bottom 50% Own 1% - UN Report

 

http://www.metrics2.com/blog/2006/12/05/richest_2_own_half_world_wealth_bottom_50_own_1_un.html

 

 

So many people talk about capping footballers wages but dont mention CEO's and bankers etc. No one needs that much money and people are starving!

Oh no you cannot tax the poor bankers. They are suffering enough as it is.

[danny.]

Who the **** shops in these places anyway?  Not me.  I went into Primark once - there was a fight in the queue, and the place was like a pig sty.  Scum.

 

Scum?

[Guest MattP]

Who the **** shops in these places anyway?

 

The absolute rock bottom of society, the lowest of the low.

 

The sort of people who would turn up at the door of DNO and even be looked at with distain.