Vicki Vixen Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 For me, the benefits of having a consistent and stable starting line up outweigh the downside of dropping players based on form. The only time Nigel will drop someone is through lack of application/effort (as he has done with Anthony a few times in the past and others like SSL/Beckford before), or to prevent fatigue in the younger players (e.g. Liam earlier this season). The reason Dyer and Nugent, and Knockaert are always on the team sheet at a time when their form is not great, is because their application, desire to win and to work for the team, is still 100% there. The teams that have done well in the Championship over the last few years and then sustained this in the Prem (Swansea, Southampton, Norwich etc.) generally followed this approach as well.
Happy Fox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Leicester City manager Nigel Pearson says he has no doubt that recent signing Riyad Mahrez is ready to start games for the club. The 23-year-old Algerian winger came off the bench to score the equaliser - his first City goal - in the 2-2 draw with Nottingham Forest on Wednesday. He has made four substitute appearances and the Foxes boss has been impressed. “I think he will be able to cope. He is a very confident young man. It is choosing the right moment†Nigel Pearson "He is a quick learner and a quality player and I would have no qualms about him starting," Pearson said. "But we will do what we think is right for the group and him. I know he will be very keen to get his first start, but we will try to judge that for the right reasons. "I think he will be able to cope. He is a very confident young man. It is choosing the right moment." Pearson compared Mahrez's situation to fellow France-born winger Anthony Knockaert, who joined at the start of last season and has become a key player for the club. "We had the same sort of situation last year with Anthony and I think it is important we protect our players from every-increasing expectations," the Foxes boss added. "There is no doubt that when you come from a different style of league that there are going to be differences and sometimes you don't get the time to dwell on the ball in the English game that you might do in other European leagues."
deep blue Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I dont think its always a question of form with dyer, you're right he has been doubled up on, but this in my opinion means he should be dropped tactically, bringing in the creative flair of mahrez would counter opposition teams doubling up on us as we have seen knockaert (who has very similar attributes) wriggle out of these positions with ease! It also gives the option of bringing dyer on as an impact sub when defenders tire, fully utilising his pace, I believe changes should be made from time to time, after all thats why we have such a quality squad isn't it? Absolutely. When you point out that a player has been less effective in recent games and it is worth considering freshening up the team, why are you accused of "slagging off a player"? It is simply making appropriate use of the quality squad we have. In Lloyd's case, if opposition teams are cooking up plans to stifle him then an obvious response is to make a change to our team/formation to counter their measures. We still have the option of throwing Lloyd on from the bench against a tiring defence, when he could destroy them. As for this Saturday, on balance I would give Lloyd another go. Mahrez probably isn't quite ready for a start yet, and the opportunity to pair up again with Schlupp could reignite Lloyd's spark.
MooseBreath Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 If it takes the opposition doubling up to render him ineffective, then you should definitely keep playing him because it takes two of their players out of the game and thus allows more space for our other attackers. Simple. You don't give up that kind of free advantage. Dyer could do nothing all game and as long as the opposition is doubling up on him then our team still benefits.
jamesmilner Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 dyer is a 4 out of 10 or 8 out of 10 player . i cant remember many games when ive said he did ok , hes had an ok game today ? he is either very poor or a match winner imo . when hes a match winner i praise him and those 4 out of 10 games he has, i just tell the truth and have to say he was crap . im just very honest . so when i want to slag him off , he deserves it . but my praise is all i want to give him . its up to him which he gets not me .
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 If it takes the opposition doubling up to render him ineffective, then you should definitely keep playing him because it takes two of their players out of the game and thus allows more space for our other attackers. Simple. You don't give up that kind of free advantage. Dyer could do nothing all game and as long as the opposition is doubling up on him then our team still benefits. Beat me to it! Was gonna say the same thing We are on a long unbeaten run, no need to tinker at the moment
CPW22 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 The thing is those people calling in to Radio Leicester are very fickle. Beat Ipswich and it will all go away and Lloyd will be their hero again. He's having a good season and with good performances comes attention from other teams, something which he has to be good enough to handle, especially if we go up. For his performances this season the least he is owed is sometime to play himself back into form!
Dan Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 To be totally fair Mack, I think it's a pretty valid shout. Dyer's had easily his best year at Leicester, but other than about two games he's had a disappointing 2014 so far and I think it maybe is time Mahrez is given a start. I'd have gone with Mahrez on Saturday if it wasn't for the fact Konchesky is out, I don't like the thought of Schlupp and Mahrez on the left.
Corky Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 If teams are doubling up on him, making him ineffective, it puts more pressure on the rest to compensate. Nugent, statitistically, has had a fine season yet there have been many calls for him to be dropped. Making shaking things up might avoid predictability? Dyer has been very impressive this season but is currently not as effective. Doesn't mean he's rubbish and should be left out for good, just that a change for a couple of games (coming off the bench to impact) might be beneficial longer term?
ARTY_FOX Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Can we not complain about any players why we are top of the league... after watching years of woeful football, it's lovely watching rite now.
adamlcfcbevo85 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I agree to drop dyer for mahrez there is nothing wrong with trying something new and when mahrez is coming on it's making a massive difference I have nothing against Dyer and he has been fantastic but when you get doubled up on and then he becomes in effective there is no point him being on the pitch, bringing dyer on later in the game with a full tank ripping defenders apart when there getting tired is not a bad thing, you've got to remember it's not about popularity if it's not working don't use it , I also think nugent should shit on bench and give woody a chance he has earnt it and I think he would of scored the sitters that nugent has missed, but would his link up play be as good as nugent and vardy I'm not so sure it's hard to choose when you got many great players but I trust whatever NP does he knows what to do more than anyone on these forums
kingcarr21 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Pearson has come out saying that mahrez is ready to start games so we may see a change in the line up soon
pazzerfox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Morning. I wanted to post this yesterday but was out so it had to wait. A day later and I'm still fuming at the relentless bollocks about dropping Dyer for Mahrez I keep hearing post match on Radio Leicester. Lloyd has been one of our best performers this season, has scored 9 goals and gives everything he has for our shirt. OK he has not been as effective in the last few games but I'd ask you to remember that teams are now doubling up on him because of the threat he poses, and in addition because of all the bad weather we have played on some very boggy churned up pitches of late that don't soon Lloyd's playing style, and even though that was the case at Brum he still drive forward into the box and scored a great goal. The people who say this about Dyer remind me of some fans on here who'll suggest we are World beaters after a couple of wins and worse than a pub team after a defeat. Lloyd will come good again and the same people who are slagging him off will be singing his name. It drives me mad! Could not agree more. What you have to remember Mack, is that a lot of people don't know anything about football. Everyone has a right to an opinion...Just ignore it, I wouldn't have imagined that it keeps Lloyd up at night! He's probably too busy bench pressing with Schlupp.
LCCFox96 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I agree regarding slagging Lloyd off on the radio. Whilst I would be indifferent if people rang up and said he was a weaker performer on the night etc there has been some ott criticism, which in my opinion isn't wholly justified. He hasn't been a disaster in the last few fixtures, just average. But he has had a very good season. I do think he needs to watch himself. Mahrez has come in and looked strong in a few 15 minutes sub appearances and has assisted and scored one in that time. If current form of those two players continue for two games longer I don't think Lloyd can complain too much about being dropped. If he has a similar game vs Ipswich I'd be tempted to chuck Mahrez in vs Charlton.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 The people who slag off our scapegoat players aren't very bright. I shall explain: The players who take most stick (Nugent, Schmeichel, Vardy last year, Dyer) all have all or nothing styles in positions where their influence comes at a few high profile moments of the game. Nugent missed a sitter and most people seem to have taken that as his defining moment from the game, but his chasing put Darlow under pressure that allowed Vardy to score. This kind of work was exactly what Vardy was doing last season that people didn't see, but we lacked in the second half of the season. Because Vardy's added goals (and is undoubtedly a better all round player) people think he's the reincarnation of Lineker, but Nugent (who does similar work but is finishing poorly atm) is a donkey. Idiots. Kasper pulls off a wonder save and he is the best keeper in the division, he mistimes a punch and he's a liability hanging on his dad's coat tails. He doesn't get 20 high profile chances to define himself each game, so people judge on two or three moments and especially mistakes. Idiots. Dyer gets the ball and runs at people for a cross or a goal. He doesn't tikataka, he doesn't pull off skills to beat people, he is an extremely effective blunt instrument, and if it works once per game he's a game changer. When double marked, on wet pitches, with his supply line players slightly off song, he doesn't bring as much, and the fear factor that gives our other players more space is waaay too subtle for the kneejerkers. Idiots. Knockaert and Drinky are different types of players-they will make 50 passes a game, and when not on form will have some showboating or a decent pass or two respectively to fall back on. When they're not contributing (and really AK has been no more effective than Dyer in recent weeks), they are still visible, and the contribution they make is apparent even to RL moan-in-ers. Who are idiots. Clever people judge players on how they play their roles in the team, not by their mistakes. People say when Drinky plays well we play well, but the number of times Lloyd has given us the breakthrough this year is fantastic. It is no wonder that teams double up on him, and when they do he still poses that threat, as well as taking men out of the game. Even at his very best, he'll still only be visible perhaps ten times a game, and when off colour it might only be once. But give me a right back who'd prefer to face Dyer than Mahrez now and I'll give you a liar. We are a team, and when the team plays well everyone looks good. When we battle against tough opposition and show the character we did on Wednesday, it is a credit to the club and the team as a whole should be praised. Likewise, the mess we got into before the comeback was a team mess. We're top by fecking miles, could we ease up on the scapegoating just for one season??
Captain... Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 Lloyd should be dropped for one reason and one reason only, if NP believes that a different player will give us a better chance of winning the match. He hasn't been at his blistering best in the last 2 games, but he's not been shit, if the opposition set up to nullify Dyer, and we play Mahrez instead, then he will get nullified in the same way. We could start Mahrez on the right and really stretch their defence as we would have pace on both flanks rather than Knocky drifting in and out. I would also be wary of bringing Mahrez in on the left with Konchesky out and no natural Left back. We could play Moore there and not get forward much, and tell Lloyd/Mahrez not to bother defensively, but then he won't have much support especially if he is being doubled up on. We could go three at the back, Sclupp and RDL as wing backs, Knocky playing more central and bench Dyer, to come on with Mahrez to inject pace late in the game (I actually like the look of that), but we all know that NP will replace Konch with Moore and it will be the same line-up.
Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I'd imagine the same moaners would moan even more if dyer was dropped and we then lose
gs74 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 The people who slag off our scapegoat players aren't very bright. I shall explain: The players who take most stick (Nugent, Schmeichel, Vardy last year, Dyer) all have all or nothing styles in positions where their influence comes at a few high profile moments of the game. Nugent missed a sitter and most people seem to have taken that as his defining moment from the game, but his chasing put Darlow under pressure that allowed Vardy to score. This kind of work was exactly what Vardy was doing last season that people didn't see, but we lacked in the second half of the season. Because Vardy's added goals (and is undoubtedly a better all round player) people think he's the reincarnation of Lineker, but Nugent (who does similar work but is finishing poorly atm) is a donkey. Idiots. Kasper pulls off a wonder save and he is the best keeper in the division, he mistimes a punch and he's a liability hanging on his dad's coat tails. He doesn't get 20 high profile chances to define himself each game, so people judge on two or three moments and especially mistakes. Idiots. Dyer gets the ball and runs at people for a cross or a goal. He doesn't tikataka, he doesn't pull off skills to beat people, he is an extremely effective blunt instrument, and if it works once per game he's a game changer. When double marked, on wet pitches, with his supply line players slightly off song, he doesn't bring as much, and the fear factor that gives our other players more space is waaay too subtle for the kneejerkers. Idiots. Knockaert and Drinky are different types of players-they will make 50 passes a game, and when not on form will have some showboating or a decent pass or two respectively to fall back on. When they're not contributing (and really AK has been no more effective than Dyer in recent weeks), they are still visible, and the contribution they make is apparent even to RL moan-in-ers. Who are idiots. Clever people judge players on how they play their roles in the team, not by their mistakes. People say when Drinky plays well we play well, but the number of times Lloyd has given us the breakthrough this year is fantastic. It is no wonder that teams double up on him, and when they do he still poses that threat, as well as taking men out of the game. Even at his very best, he'll still only be visible perhaps ten times a game, and when off colour it might only be once. But give me a right back who'd prefer to face Dyer than Mahrez now and I'll give you a liar. We are a team, and when the team plays well everyone looks good. When we battle against tough opposition and show the character we did on Wednesday, it is a credit to the club and the team as a whole should be praised. Likewise, the mess we got into before the comeback was a team mess. We're top by fecking miles, could we ease up on the scapegoating just for one season?? Well said OxfordFox, great comments to which I agree wholeheartedly. As Adam Hills would say to them all "stop being d*cks"
Chap84 Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I dont think its always a question of form with dyer, you're right he has been doubled up on, but this in my opinion means he should be dropped tactically, bringing in the creative flair of mahrez would counter opposition teams doubling up on us as we have seen knockaert (who has very similar attributes) wriggle out of these positions with ease! It also gives the option of bringing dyer on as an impact sub when defenders tire, fully utilising his pace, I believe changes should be made from time to time, after all thats why we have such a quality squad isn't it? ^ spot on ^ Teams are doing there home work to stop us playing how we have been, so mixing it up a bit makes it harder for them. Simple really. Bring him on at a later stage of the game or half time if it doesn't work. Just for tactical reasons it makes sense, no disrespect to dyer he's done brilliant so far this season.
Biggus Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 The people who slag off our scapegoat players aren't very bright. I shall explain: The players who take most stick (Nugent, Schmeichel, Vardy last year, Dyer) all have all or nothing styles in positions where their influence comes at a few high profile moments of the game. Nugent missed a sitter and most people seem to have taken that as his defining moment from the game, but his chasing put Darlow under pressure that allowed Vardy to score. This kind of work was exactly what Vardy was doing last season that people didn't see, but we lacked in the second half of the season. Because Vardy's added goals (and is undoubtedly a better all round player) people think he's the reincarnation of Lineker, but Nugent (who does similar work but is finishing poorly atm) is a donkey. Idiots. Kasper pulls off a wonder save and he is the best keeper in the division, he mistimes a punch and he's a liability hanging on his dad's coat tails. He doesn't get 20 high profile chances to define himself each game, so people judge on two or three moments and especially mistakes. Idiots. Dyer gets the ball and runs at people for a cross or a goal. He doesn't tikataka, he doesn't pull off skills to beat people, he is an extremely effective blunt instrument, and if it works once per game he's a game changer. When double marked, on wet pitches, with his supply line players slightly off song, he doesn't bring as much, and the fear factor that gives our other players more space is waaay too subtle for the kneejerkers. Idiots. Knockaert and Drinky are different types of players-they will make 50 passes a game, and when not on form will have some showboating or a decent pass or two respectively to fall back on. When they're not contributing (and really AK has been no more effective than Dyer in recent weeks), they are still visible, and the contribution they make is apparent even to RL moan-in-ers. Who are idiots. Clever people judge players on how they play their roles in the team, not by their mistakes. People say when Drinky plays well we play well, but the number of times Lloyd has given us the breakthrough this year is fantastic. It is no wonder that teams double up on him, and when they do he still poses that threat, as well as taking men out of the game. Even at his very best, he'll still only be visible perhaps ten times a game, and when off colour it might only be once. But give me a right back who'd prefer to face Dyer than Mahrez now and I'll give you a liar. We are a team, and when the team plays well everyone looks good. When we battle against tough opposition and show the character we did on Wednesday, it is a credit to the club and the team as a whole should be praised. Likewise, the mess we got into before the comeback was a team mess. We're top by fecking miles, could we ease up on the scapegoating just for one season?? I'm with you 100% on this. You demonstrate an understanding of the game. How anyone can slag off a successful team like this is amazing. It is a very good squad and Pearson has the tactical knowledge to play any one of them in any situation. Non of them have played badly. In fact when I watched the Football League show for our game against Watford, Dyer featured the most in setting up chances. Moaners - take a day season off
fleckneymike Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 If you don't like the criticism why not phone up and support Lloyd?
Dan Posted 21 February 2014 Posted 21 February 2014 I think a lot of people aren't understanding the point of this site. Who genuinely celebrates Leicester being good by posting a few upbeat things on Foxestalk? I'm not saying this place should be full of criticism but constructive criticism should be welcomed no matter what - all makes for discussion doesn't it?
Mack Posted 21 February 2014 Author Posted 21 February 2014 If you don't like the criticism why not phone up and support Lloyd? Because I am driving my way back from Florist and don't want to break the law? The same happened in our last match while I was driving back, I'm sure these people just look for something to latch onto and moan about. It's an absolute joke in my opinion that such a loyal, dedicated, committed and important member of our team gets singled out by these idiots. He'll find form again and rip a team to sheds anytime now and when he does it makes me want to go and find them just to tell them what a bunch of clueless pricks they are. No one minds reasoned debate and opinion, but just suggesting he needs binning is over the mark in my opinion. Is it any wonder that Drinkwater for example felt the need to cup his ears to the fans when some of our more retarded so called fans behave like that?
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