Haydos Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 I agree, Little Brain and the like are going to be in for a massive shock this year.
Agent Fox Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 *not bad for 20 goals this season and 2 in the cups. And not really. That would have put him on 34 league goals and in case you hadn't noticed nnot many people hit those numbers. Hopefully Nuge signs on soon. Ludicrous to release our top scorer and top assister just after a promotion, especially as we can't gaurentee any replacement is worth the switch. It's too big a gamble to allow Nuge to walk. Not many teams can play the way we did last season in that league.
65RosesFox Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 If you look at the bottom half of the table you will see a load of strikers who have performed poorly. Anything less than double figures is a poor return and a reason why these teams are in the bottom half. We nor anybody else should be settling for 6 or 7 goals from a striker. Next season I expect Vardy and Nugent to hit 10+ goals and anything less will be a disappointment. So you think we will finish top half next season? And Nugent and Vardy will both hit double figures. I think you may be left disappointed next season if that's the case. Prepare for it.
Loyalist Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Based in what? Based on watching the pair of them in the premier league.
artursteppe Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Vardy actually could get 10 next season, and I know I may be dreaming, but a little more fine tuning from KP, and if that happens, and with his electric pace, just maaaaybeeee. Then Nuge could score 10 penalties.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Anybody who thinks 7-8 goals each from our strikers is a good season is off their head.
Narborough_fox Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Anybody who thinks 7-8 goals each from our strikers is a good season is off their head. I don't think anyone is saying that 7-8 goals this season is a 'good season' I just think it's a much more respectable return that what people are making it out to be. If Vardy and Nugent both got 8 goals next season then it gives us a really good chance of staying up. Of all the players who got 10 or more goals last season the majority of them cost upwards of £10million, as much as Top has said he's willing to back Pearson in the transfer market, I don't think we're stupid enough to do that until we've established ourselves in the Premier League, a lot like Swansea did with Bony this season. You've just got to look at Norwich who spent around £10million on Ricky van Wolfswinkel only for him to score 1 league goal all season to see that sticking with Vardy and Nugent who may get 15 goals between them is a much better business plan than splashing the cash on a player who may fail.
Houdini Logic Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Last year palace's two top scorers only scored 7 each and they finished 11th. People also seem to forget that 44% of our goals last season were not scored by any of our 5 strikers.
65RosesFox Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Anybody who thinks 7-8 goals each from our strikers is a good season is off their head. I think you need to come to terms with how tough the Premier League really is. Below are the stats of the strikers from the teams who finished in the top ten last season. As you can see there are 23 strikers there. Out of those 23 only 14 achieved more than 8 Premier League goals. I'm assuming the stats are considerably lower for the bottom half of the league. If you want me to pull them up I'm more than happy to do so, but I have a feeling it will back my point up even more. I think 3 of our strikers will play over 20+ league games next season. So a combined return of around 24 from all 3 would help us survive next season. Like others have said in previous posts, to avoid relegation you need to score goals from all over the pitch, not rely heavily on your strikers. Man City: 1st Aguero - 17 Dzeko - 16 Liverpool: 2nd Suarez - 31 Sturridge - 21 Chelsea: 3rd Eto'o - 9 Torres - 5 Ba - 5 Arsenal: 4th Giroud - 16 Podolski - 8 Everton: 5th Lukaku - 15 Naismith - 5 Tottenham: 6th Adebayor - 11 Soldado - 6 Man U: 7th Rooney - 17 RVP - 12 Welbeck - 9 Southampton: 8th Rodriguez - 15 Lambert - 13 Stoke: 9th Crouch - 8 Odemwingie - 5 Wakters - 5 Newcastle: 10th Remy - 14 Cissé - 4
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 I think you need to come to terms with how tough the Premier League really is. Below are the stats of the strikers from the teams who finished in the top ten last season. As you can see there are 23 strikers there. Out of those 23 only 14 achieved more than 8 Premier League goals. I'm assuming the stats are considerably lower for the bottom half of the league. If you want me to pull them up I'm more than happy to do so, but I have a feeling it will back my point up even more. I think 3 of our strikers will play over 20+ league games next season. So a combined return of around 24 from all 3 would help us survive next season. Like others have said in previous posts, to avoid relegation you need to score goals from all over the pitch, not rely heavily on your strikers. Man City: 1st Aguero - 17 Dzeko - 16 Liverpool: 2nd Suarez - 31 Sturridge - 21 Chelsea: 3rd Eto'o - 9 Torres - 5 Ba - 5 Arsenal: 4th Giroud - 16 Podolski - 8 Everton: 5th Lukaku - 15 Naismith - 5 Tottenham: 6th Adebayor - 11 Soldado - 6 Man U: 7th Rooney - 17 RVP - 12 Welbeck - 9 Southampton: 8th Rodriguez - 15 Lambert - 13 Stoke: 9th Crouch - 8 Odemwingie - 5 Wakters - 5 Newcastle: 10th Remy - 14 Cissé - 4 And your point is that because strikers at other clubs are sub standard we should accept that. 7-8 goals means they, the team they play for or both are not good enough in my eyes. Accepting paltry returns because the league is harder is accepting the chance of failure. Akinbadbuy scored that amount. He was lauded wasn't he?
Micky Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 That's a flawed argument. You don't see a load of strikers who have performed poorly at all. Take Saido Berahino who is on that list. While he only scored 5 he had a good season and contributed to the all round team performance which helped West Brom stay up. Your judging a players all round performance on just their goals. Nugent and Vardy won't both hit 10+ goals as that is not realistic in the premiership. If they both hit between 6-10 that is good. At a worst case scenario that is 12 big goals from our front two alone. There is not one Premiership striker that would be happy with 6-7 goals in a season. Like I said, I expect them to get 10+. This may not happen and will be disappointing. There is nothing wrong with setting your targets high. As for Beharino, he has flashes of brilliance but was inconsistent. As for his team, they were poor and if we are aiming for that standard then we are doomed!
Stadt Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Yore not realising that you don't have to be an exceptional side to stay up. Posting the top half leading scorers is irrelevant because we're not aiming to finish in the top half.
Micky Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Prepare for disappointment then, although I suspect it is something you are probably familiar with. Are you really expecting both Nuge and Vardy to perform better than Benteke, Negredo, Etoo, Torres, Djemba Ba, Podolski, Soldado, Jelavic, Silva, Welbeck, Lallana, Crouch, Mirallas... The list is pretty long, and the players in it are worth millions and millions of pounds. 1 - Some of these are not even strikers. 2 - A good few of them were not even regular starters. I will be disappointed if we finish 17th (staying up). Whilst this would be great, we have to set our targets high. As Nigel has already stated, we are not just going up to make up the numbers.
Finnaldo Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 There is not one Premiership striker that would be happy with 6-7 goals in a season. Like I said, I expect them to get 10+. This may not happen and will be disappointing. There is nothing wrong with setting your targets high. As for Beharino, he has flashes of brilliance but was inconsistent. As for his team, they were poor and if we are aiming for that standard then we are doomed! The only team outside the top 10 to have a 10+ goalscorer was Aston Villa, and that's because of Benteke.
Micky Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 The only team outside the top 10 to have a 10+ goalscorer was Aston Villa, and that's because of Benteke. Well we should be aiming for the top 10 then!
65RosesFox Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 Yore not realising that you don't have to be an exceptional side to stay up. Posting the top half leading scorers is irrelevant because we're not aiming to finish in the top half. No I don't think you understand. The reason I posted the top half of the League was to show that the 10 best teams in the League still had a lot of strikers that didn't reach more than 8 goals. It was to prove you don't need your strikers to score loads of goals to be successful in the Premier League. And that it is difficult to score double figures in the Premier League even for top ten clubs.
Rushden fox Posted 30 May 2014 Posted 30 May 2014 No I don't think you understand. The reason I posted the top half of the League was to show that the 10 best teams in the League still had a lot of strikers that didn't reach more than 8 goals. It was to prove you don't need your strikers to score loads of goals to be successful in the Premier League. And that it is difficult to score double figures in the Premier League even for top ten clubs. Agreed..if our front 6 all score 7+ goals each we will be fine. We all know..Vardy Nugent, Mahrez, knocky, Drinky and dyer could score upwards of 5 so we should be good. That's without the inevitable additions.
tetly Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 Will he stay or go I am not sure I would offer him a three a three year deal. Nugget to me is to good for the champ but not good enough for the prem.
Guest Col city fan Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 There are STILL people questioning Nugent? Get rid of GTF? without a doubt, get rid of Wood?.. yep. Get rid of Nugent?.no way He's head and shoulders above the aforementioned two and, IMO remains our best striker. Offload GTF and Wood, give Nugent a contract, then sign another striker who is better than anything we currently have. I'm astonished (again) that people are suggesting keeping Gary Taylor-Fletcher whilst considering letting Nugent leave. The forum, once more, has gone potty.
crisp packet Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 There are STILL people questioning Nugent? Get rid of GTF? without a doubt, get rid of Wood?.. yep. Get rid of Nugent?.no way He's head and shoulders above the aforementioned two and, IMO remains our best striker. Offload GTF and Wood, give Nugent a contract, then sign another striker who is better than anything we currently have. I'm astonished (again) that people are suggesting keeping Gary Taylor-Fletcher whilst considering letting Nugent leave. The forum, once more, has gone potty. Amen
Tuna Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 Come on NUgent sign the contract and become 4th choice streiker!
Agent Fox Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 There are STILL people questioning Nugent? Get rid of GTF? without a doubt, get rid of Wood?.. yep. Get rid of Nugent?.no way He's head and shoulders above the aforementioned two and, IMO remains our best striker. Offload GTF and Wood, give Nugent a contract, then sign another striker who is better than anything we currently have. I'm astonished (again) that people are suggesting keeping Gary Taylor-Fletcher whilst considering letting Nugent leave. The forum, once more, has gone potty. Knowledge!!...
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