Nuge contract talks stall..

[elangLCFC]

agree with all you say.....but we need a hitman capable of at least 15 goals from "open play" in the premier league......regardless of "workrate" or "assists" or "dressing room morale"......we need open play goals in the premier league first and foremost ...Nugent cant deliver that

Not seen the stats but I reckon every team outside the top 6 is looking for a 15 goal a season prem striker

[foxfanazer]

agree with all you say.....but we need a hitman capable of at least 15 goals from "open play" in the premier league......regardless of "workrate" or "assists" or "dressing room morale"......we need open play goals in the premier league first and foremost ...Nugent cant deliver that

What's this obsession with open play goals? You do know you get the same amount of goals whether it's a thirty yard screamer or a penalty don't you? And why disregard assists? Seems bizarre!

Nugent was instrumental in our promotion last season and will play a big part this season imo

[sylofox]

agree with all you say.....but we need a  hitman capable of at least 15 goals from "open play" in the premier league......regardless of "workrate" or "assists" or "dressing room morale"......we need open play  goals in the premier league first and foremost ...Nugent cant deliver that

So safe to say you don't like Nuge.

Think we all get the message and you don't to remind us after every other post FFS.

[Fox Ulike]

agree with all you say.....but we need a  hitman capable of at least 15 goals from "open play" in the premier league......regardless of "workrate" or "assists" or "dressing room morale"......we need open play  goals in the premier league first and foremost ...Nugent cant deliver that

 

Neither can Christian Benteke.

 

Sorry Christian, just not good enough.

 

Olivier Giroud just scraps into your definition of acceptable quality as he got 16 last season. So I take it you'd be OK if we signed him?

[little Brian]

I like Dave Nugent ,  met him a couple of times & think hes a true pro that he

 could get in any championship squads ,

 

if he wanted £7.5k a week like Konch and Marcin then id say keep him , but 30-40k no way .....

 

as with Lloyd Dyer ......we  need a different player for that wage

[65RosesFox]

agree with all you say.....but we need a hitman capable of at least 15 goals from "open play" in the premier league......regardless of "workrate" or "assists" or "dressing room morale"......we need open play goals in the premier league first and foremost ...Nugent cant deliver that

So according to you, the only players that fit that criteria that played in the Premier League last season are listed below, a maximum total of 10 players. Yaya isn't a striker so we're down to 9. Rooney I believe scored 3 penalties so he's out. Bony scored 4 penalties so that's another one down. You mention we need a hit man so bye bye Suarez, Sturridge, Aguero and Rodriguez.

So who do we try and sign....Lukaku or Dzeko?

'Little Brian' anagram of 'Little Brain' coincidence....?

[little Brian]

doesn't have to play in the premier league ..just be capable ......or are you that short sighted that's all you know perhaps .....

[65RosesFox]

doesn't have to play in the premier league ..just be capable ......or are you that short sighted that's all you know perhaps .....

Not at all. I'm just trying to prove a point that scoring 15 goals when including set pieces is done by only a few, and going by the list, it was achieved by some of the best players in the league.

So finding someone overseas or from a lower division with no Premier League experience and expecting them to get 15 goals with our budget doesn't look too realistic.

If any of our strikers, old or new scored 8-10 goals, including set pieces it could be the difference of us surviving or being relegated.

I think you need to be a little more realistic or it could be a very long season for you...

[little Brian]

I think Nugent would only return 5-7 goals.......not including penalties :nuge:

 

in which case we'd probably be relagated

[crisp monster]

Always rated Nuge and really hope he stays.

Always gives his all and appears to be well liked within the team and club.

But - I'm not convinced either way if he will give us enough in the top flight.

Hope everything can be resolved but I trust Nige not to be held to ransom and feel he'll do whats right for LCFC

[LCFC31]

I think Nugent would only return 5-7 goals.......not including penalties :nuge: in which case we'd probably be relagated

7 goals would be a good return for a bottom half striker.

[little Brian]

7 goals would be a good return for a bottom half striker.

 

7 in 38 good lord ...........if you think that's a good return you are a muppet

[Stadt]

7 in 38 good lord ...........if you think that's a good return you are a muppet

Hull's top scorer had less than 8 goals I think

Obviously it wouldn't be a 'good' return but it'd be inline with other clubs that have survived.

Anyway, my biggest concern with Nuge is that he tends to score in patches rather than scoring every few games and in the premiership we can't afford to play him if he's going through a barren spell.

[Narborough_fox]

7 in 38 good lord ...........if you think that's a good return you are a muppet

 

If you look at the bottom half of the table, you'll probably find 7 goals is a good return... 

 

11 - Crystal Palace - Gayle (7 goals)

12 - Swansea - Bony (16 goals)

13 - West Ham - Nolan (7 goals)

14 - Sunderland - Johnson (8 goals)

15 - Aston Villa - Benteke (10 goals)

16 - Hull - Jelavic & Long (4 goals)

17 - West Brom - Berahino (5 goals)

18 - Norwich - Snodgrass & Hooper (6 goals)

19 - Fulham - Dejagah (5 goals)

20 - Cardiff - Mutch (7 goals)

 

If you look at those statistics from this year, of the 10 teams in the bottom half of the table only 3 of them had a player who scored more than 7 goals this season. You don't need one striker/player who will score all your goals for you to stay up, you need goals from all around the team much like Hull and West Brom did, with not a single player reaching 7 goals in 38 games. Only when you get higher up the table do you need a 15-goal-a-season striker, at the minute an 8-goal-a-season striker will do me just fine as long as we continue to get goals from midfield like we have done this season. 

[superhorns]

Perhaps the Hornets will take him as well as back up for Deeney and Vydra

[dannythefox]

If Nugent leaves I'm really not bothered take his penaltys away and he's an avarage striker.

[LCCFox96]

7 in 38 good lord ...........if you think that's a good return you are a muppet

Your underestimating the step up the squad will have to make and how much stronger the defences will be. If Nugent and Vardy or a new addition both hit between 6-9 goals that would be brilliant progress for them individually and would help the team to almost certain survival.

[Houdini Logic]

7 in 38 good lord ...........if you think that's a good return you are a muppet

 

Our highest scorer this year was only 20 with 8 extra games and we won the league with it!

 

expectations going a bit squiff there...

[Loyalist]

Would like to see the back of him. Campbell would be a MUCH better option.

[BigMicky]

Would like to see the back of him. Campbell would be a MUCH better option.

Based in what?

[Micky]

If you look at the bottom half of the table, you'll probably find 7 goals is a good return... 

 

11 - Crystal Palace - Gayle (7 goals)

12 - Swansea - Bony (16 goals)

13 - West Ham - Nolan (7 goals)

14 - Sunderland - Johnson (8 goals)

15 - Aston Villa - Benteke (10 goals)

16 - Hull - Jelavic & Long (4 goals)

17 - West Brom - Berahino (5 goals)

18 - Norwich - Snodgrass & Hooper (6 goals)

19 - Fulham - Dejagah (5 goals)

20 - Cardiff - Mutch (7 goals)

 

If you look at those statistics from this year, of the 10 teams in the bottom half of the table only 3 of them had a player who scored more than 7 goals this season. You don't need one striker/player who will score all your goals for you to stay up, you need goals from all around the team much like Hull and West Brom did, with not a single player reaching 7 goals in 38 games. Only when you get higher up the table do you need a 15-goal-a-season striker, at the minute an 8-goal-a-season striker will do me just fine as long as we continue to get goals from midfield like we have done this season. 

 

If you look at the bottom half of the table you will see a load of strikers who have performed poorly. Anything less than double figures is a poor return and a reason why these teams are in the bottom half. We nor anybody else should be settling for 6 or 7 goals from a striker. Next season I expect Vardy and Nugent to hit 10+ goals and anything less will be a disappointment.

[Captain...]

If you look at the bottom half of the table you will see a load of strikers who have performed poorly. Anything less than double figures is a poor return and a reason why these teams are in the bottom half. We nor anybody else should be settling for 6 or 7 goals from a striker. Next season I expect Vardy and Nugent to hit 10+ goals and anything less will be a disappointment.

 

Prepare for disappointment then, although I suspect it is something you are probably familiar with.

 

Are you really expecting both Nuge and Vardy to perform better than Benteke, Negredo, Etoo, Torres, Djemba Ba, Podolski, Soldado, Jelavic, Silva, Welbeck, Lallana, Crouch, Mirallas...

 

The list is pretty long, and the players in it are worth millions and millions of pounds

[LCCFox96]

If you look at the bottom half of the table you will see a load of strikers who have performed poorly. Anything less than double figures is a poor return and a reason why these teams are in the bottom half. We nor anybody else should be settling for 6 or 7 goals from a striker. Next season I expect Vardy and Nugent to hit 10+ goals and anything less will be a disappointment.

That's a flawed argument. You don't see a load of strikers who have performed poorly at all. Take Saido Berahino who is on that list. While he only scored 5 he had a good season and contributed to the all round team performance which helped West Brom stay up.

Your judging a players all round performance on just their goals. Nugent and Vardy won't both hit 10+ goals as that is not realistic in the premiership. If they both hit between 6-10 that is good. At a worst case scenario that is 12 big goals from our front two alone.

[Haydos]

I think Nugent would only return 5-7 goals.......not including penalties :nuge:

 

in which case we'd probably be relagated

 

Have a look at the scoring charts for bottom half teams before you start calling people names. Get real.

[VinceNoir]

If you're expecting a 15 goal a season striker then you're in for a long season, little brain.