Nuge contract talks stall..

[Guest LCFC_World]

Offer him a 2 year deal, and a tiny pay rise. If he don't accept that then he can go for all i care. Money grabbers are not the characters we want at the club. 

[HowardsBulletHeader]

Isn't it funny how one person mentions him demanding a pay rise above what he is likely to get through promotion with absolutely no back up and everyone on here latches onto it like vultures and suddenly there are pages upon pages of 'money grabbing twat', 'let him go, he's asking too much' and 'money could be better spent elsewhere'.

The guy has been on holiday for a while, he's apparently just got back. I would suspect that 99% of you while on holiday with your family have nothing or very little to do with your place of work. This is no different for a footballer. Nobody knows what he is asking for other than him, his agent and the club. So why on earth everyone has now assumed that because of the delay he MUST be a money grabbing twat I will never know.

Let's not forget Kasper only signed a week ago (roughly), yet I would guess a lot of you are not going to knock him for the length of time he took over deciding. Kasper and Nugent are both arguably in their prime at 27 & 29, the next contract they sign (already signed in Kasper's case) is likely to be the most important one of their career and is the one they are likely to be highest paid for. Give the bloke a chance to make perhaps, the most important decision of his career, before you start spouting crap about his wage demands which I'm sure like me you know very little about.

[artursteppe]

Eh.... I've not had a bad word to say about the bloke last season, in fact anything I've said has only been positive.

 

Next season is a different matter though, unless he comes back having shed a stone in weight I would personally feel like it's a waste of a spot in the 25, and that we should be looking at better longer term alternatives.

Crikey Babs, only just noticed this one and again I agree with you. Wow!

GTF is overweight and I would prefer to have a 25 which was too good to fit him in.

[Aus Fox]

We can do better.

Invest Nugent money into another striker.

Ok so let's say he is getting 30k a week, give or take that's about 4.5 million over a 3 year deal.

Which striker do you propose we get in, as good as Nuge for 4.5 million? That would include a transfer fee and wages for 3 years?

[ElusiveEd]

NP stated a while back that he is only interested 'In players who feel they can do something for the club, not players who think "What can the club do for me"?

 

A great standpoint if you ask me.

[jimmy7587]

Been a while since I've contributed so please be kind. I still take a gander from time to time to see what the club is up-to!

 

It is very interesting reading the views of other supporters throughout this forum on David Nugent, and whether we should re-sign him.

 

Without thinking about the contract in terms of duration and value just yet, the question should be is he going to be good enough and would he offer us something when we need it? My feeling is that he may be and he might do. Yet I can only see him being being brought on for the last 20 minutes in Premier League games, and being used predominantly in the cup competitions. Will he score 7-13 goals that is what we're after to help secure survival (if regularly starting), or is he a player that will chip in with 5 important goals? This is the multi-million pound question.

 

Okay, moving onto the contract in question. We can speculate all day about his previous contract which Sven gave him, yet we can agree it's anywhere between £25k-£35k a week... Ridiculous money for a Championship player, but alas that is what we were paying a week.

 

If we are offering him a new contract, then you'd think (you'd think but sillier things have happened!) we'd be offering him a pay cut to somewhere along the lines of £20k per week, with a relegation clause to reduce a further £5k a week. From reports, the issue is the contract duration and Nugent allegedly wants a 3 year deal (understandable from his perspective), and we're allegedly offering him a 2 year deal. You've got to remember what other clubs could offer. He's been linked to Burnley, West Ham and now Southampton as Rickie Lambert has moved to Liverpool, and they all want to strengthen up-front. But they surely will see his record at the higher level, assessed his 20 goals last season (most from the spot) and put a value on him. Other Championship clubs could not afford the £20k per week, especially with financial fair play tightening the belts of a lot of clubs, so paying for high earning players must have a ROI; contribution to wins.

 

If he was not out of contract, how much would he be worth? In a Championship winning side? Scored 20+ goals. £3m, £4m? £5m - Better than Danny Ings, Vokes?

 

He has had successes at Leicester, might be a good team player with friendships formed with the current group and could score us some important goals to help us win. That is the most important factor. Will he help us win? What cost are his services to help us win? Speculation is for a pay cut, yet, after a good season and the fact that we want to keep him, we could actually offer him a pay rise!

 

So the financial breakdown based on what I feel he'll be offered and possibility of the pay rise. (Of course it may be a sum in between, yet this is merely to represent value)

 

£20k per week for 2 years = £2.08m - £20k per week for 3 years = £3.12m  

£40k per week for 2 years = £4.16m - £40k per week for 3 years = £6.24m

 

Ideally, he will accept the 2 year £20k per week contract yet I think at the lower wage a 3 year deal he'd be worth a punt at £3.12m - yet he wouldn't be good value on a two year deal at £4.16m.

 

If we were to bring in a new striker to score us (a not guaranteed) 7-13 goals we'd be paying £4-10m plus wages, say on a 3 year contract at £30k per week (£4.7m over 3 years) then we could in theory be paying £8.7m-£14.7m in total.

 

So when you assess that, paying £3m-4m total for Nugent may not be the worst thing.

[notnow john]

NP stated a while back that he is only interested 'In players who feel they can do something for the club, not players who think "What can the club do for me"?

 

A great standpoint if you ask me.

Can't remember the blokes name but he's not a good model to be plagiarising!

Where's Zing when you need him?

[Nick]

Nugent signed this morning apparently, just what I've heard.

[1972 Fox]

Been a while since I've contributed so please be kind. I still take a gander from time to time to see what the club is up-to!

It is very interesting reading the views of other supporters throughout this forum on David Nugent, and whether we should re-sign him.

Without thinking about the contract in terms of duration and value just yet, the question should be is he going to be good enough and would he offer us something when we need it? My feeling is that he may be and he might do. Yet I can only see him being being brought on for the last 20 minutes in Premier League games, and being used predominantly in the cup competitions. Will he score 7-13 goals that is what we're after to help secure survival (if regularly starting), or is he a player that will chip in with 5 important goals? This is the multi-million pound question.

Okay, moving onto the contract in question. We can speculate all day about his previous contract which Sven gave him, yet we can agree it's anywhere between £25k-£35k a week... Ridiculous money for a Championship player, but alas that is what we were paying a week.

If we are offering him a new contract, then you'd think (you'd think but sillier things have happened!) we'd be offering him a pay cut to somewhere along the lines of £20k per week, with a relegation clause to reduce a further £5k a week. From reports, the issue is the contract duration and Nugent allegedly wants a 3 year deal (understandable from his perspective), and we're allegedly offering him a 2 year deal. You've got to remember what other clubs could offer. He's been linked to Burnley, West Ham and now Southampton as Rickie Lambert has moved to Liverpool, and they all want to strengthen up-front. But they surely will see his record at the higher level, assessed his 20 goals last season (most from the spot) and put a value on him. Other Championship clubs could not afford the £20k per week, especially with financial fair play tightening the belts of a lot of clubs, so paying for high earning players must have a ROI; contribution to wins.

If he was not out of contract, how much would he be worth? In a Championship winning side? Scored 20+ goals. £3m, £4m? £5m - Better than Danny Ings, Vokes?

He has had successes at Leicester, might be a good team player with friendships formed with the current group and could score us some important goals to help us win. That is the most important factor. Will he help us win? What cost are his services to help us win? Speculation is for a pay cut, yet, after a good season and the fact that we want to keep him, we could actually offer him a pay rise!

So the financial breakdown based on what I feel he'll be offered and possibility of the pay rise. (Of course it may be a sum in between, yet this is merely to represent value)

£20k per week for 2 years = £2.08m - £20k per week for 3 years = £3.12m

£40k per week for 2 years = £4.16m - £40k per week for 3 years = £6.24m

Ideally, he will accept the 2 year £20k per week contract yet I think at the lower wage a 3 year deal he'd be worth a punt at £3.12m - yet he wouldn't be good value on a two year deal at £4.16m.

If we were to bring in a new striker to score us (a not guaranteed) 7-13 goals we'd be paying £4-10m plus wages, say on a 3 year contract at £30k per week (£4.7m over 3 years) then we could in theory be paying £8.7m-£14.7m in total.

So when you assess that, paying £3m-4m total for Nugent may not be the worst thing.

Are you sure that you've thought deeply enough about this before posting?

[David Lowe]

Nugent signed this morning apparently, just what I've heard.

Yes this is what my colleague told me too.

[Nick]

Yes this is what my colleague told me too.

 

Yeah, sounds likely then.

[HowardsBulletHeader]

Bloody hope so I absolutely love the bloke.

[surrifox]

 

NP stated a while back that he is only interested 'In players who feel they can do something for the club, not players who think "What can the club do for me"?

 

A great standpoint if you ask me.

paraphrasing John F Kennedy I believe 

[surrifox]

Nugent signed this morning apparently, just what I've heard

 

why the coyness in announcing it then I wonder

[Happy Fox]

why the coyness in announcing it then I wonder

 

Probably because of fixture release day? I imagine the club will announce it today though I am hoping for an announcement on NP's contract and the other staff members that is the most important!

[surrifox]

Probably because of fixture release day? I imagine the club will announce it today though I am hoping for an announcement on NP's contract and the other staff members that is the most important!

[dpjfox]

i reckon Nuge is already on a salary equal or approaching the clubs new wage cap, and therefore may see the situation as "the club not offerring me a rise", Apart from the Kasper situation every other player weve wanted to sign, has not dwelled or delayed, I rate Nuge but doubt he will be an automatic choice, imo sign or go make your bloody mind up

[jock2612]

Probably because of fixture release day? I imagine the club will announce it today though I am hoping for an announcement on NP's contract and the other staff members that is the most important!

This,even Dyche has signed an extenetion before NP.Does he want to be part of our future or is just after the money.He states he does not like this with players and their agents perhaps he should practice what he preaches!!

[RowlattsFox]

I would say the contracts have been signed, they are just waiting for a picture opprtunity before they announce it. Pearson might be in Brazil and Nuge on his holidays.

Would have been announced by now if they were leaving.

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

This,even Dyche has signed an extenetion before NP.Does he want to be part of our future or is just after the money.He states he does not like this with players and their agents perhaps he should practice what he preaches!!

     

[WhispyWizard]

Need to keep him, he defends from the front and thats exactly what we will need next season, we can't afford to have passengers in this team, we need everyone giving 100% at both attack and defence.

[Finnegan]

Need to keep him, he defends from the front and thats exactly what we will need next season, we can't afford to have passengers in this team, we need everyone giving 100% at both attack and defence.

Pearson is unlikely to sign or play a player that won't do that, it's the heart of his whole philosophy.

[little Brian]

defends from the front ? work rate ? team player ? nice fella ? how many more phrases can we make up to cover up his pathetic strike rate ?

 

12 league goals from open play since December 2012....................sez it all

[indierich06]

defends from the front ? work rate ? team player ? nice fella ? how many more phrases can we make up to cover up his pathetic strike rate ?

 

12 league goals from open play since December 2012....................sez it all

 

Who pissed on your cornflakes?

 

No David Nugent = No promotion to Premier League................... sez it all.

[tylesta]

defends from the front ? work rate ? team player ? nice fella ? how many more phrases can we make up to cover up his pathetic strike rate ?

I

12 league goals from open play since December 2012....................sez it all

plenty of assists and chances created in that time to.

Theres plenty of strikers out there who don't score many but are a handfull to deal with.

The fact of the matter is nugent was involved in 33 out of 83 league goals last year! Some going that