65RosesFox Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 There are STILL people questioning Nugent? Get rid of GTF? without a doubt, get rid of Wood?.. yep. Get rid of Nugent?.no way He's head and shoulders above the aforementioned two and, IMO remains our best striker. Offload GTF and Wood, give Nugent a contract, then sign another striker who is better than anything we currently have. I'm astonished (again) that people are suggesting keeping Gary Taylor-Fletcher whilst considering letting Nugent leave. The forum, once more, has gone potty. What about the people like me who want to keep Nugent, glad we retained GTF and still have Wood as back up. And want to sign a striker who is different to the ones we have, a target man.
inckley fox Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 If you look at the bottom half of the table, you'll probably find 7 goals is a good return... 11 - Crystal Palace - Gayle (7 goals) 12 - Swansea - Bony (16 goals) 13 - West Ham - Nolan (7 goals) 14 - Sunderland - Johnson (8 goals) 15 - Aston Villa - Benteke (10 goals) 16 - Hull - Jelavic & Long (4 goals) 17 - West Brom - Berahino (5 goals) 18 - Norwich - Snodgrass & Hooper (6 goals) 19 - Fulham - Dejagah (5 goals) 20 - Cardiff - Mutch (7 goals) If you look at those statistics from this year, of the 10 teams in the bottom half of the table only 3 of them had a player who scored more than 7 goals this season. You don't need one striker/player who will score all your goals for you to stay up, you need goals from all around the team much like Hull and West Brom did, with not a single player reaching 7 goals in 38 games. Only when you get higher up the table do you need a 15-goal-a-season striker, at the minute an 8-goal-a-season striker will do me just fine as long as we continue to get goals from midfield like we have done this season. It really isn't though, is it? None of the three relegated sides had a striker who could hit more than seven, and of the seven bottom-half sides who survived three of them had players who managed more than that. The most positive way you can spin those figures is 'if you don't have a striker who can hit more than seven goals, you won't necessarily get relegated, but it's likely to be a close-run thing'.
Micky Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 It really isn't though, is it? None of the three relegated sides had a striker who could hit more than seven, and of the seven bottom-half sides who survived three of them had players who managed more than that. The most positive way you can spin those figures is 'if you don't have a striker who can hit more than seven goals, you won't necessarily get relegated, but it's likely to be a close-run thing'. No your wrong!!!!! 6-7 goals and scrambling around the bottom of the table is good! Like I previously mentioned, I expect Vardy and Nugent to hit 10+ (and I am sure they will be looking for double figures) and if they don't they will be replaced. Anyone who thinks 6-7 goals is a 'good' return for a striker is naive.
Babylon Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 Anybody who thinks 7-8 goals each from our strikers is a good season is off their head. Anyone saying two strikers getting 8 each isn't a bad return is off their head, because that would give you one of the best strike partnerships in the bottom 10 is you compare recent pairings.
Babylon Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 Anyone who thinks 6-7 goals is a 'good' return for a striker is naive. Only 18 players in the whole league got more than 10. 14 of those players now play for Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs. I think perhaps it is you who is be naive and underestimating how difficult it is for strikers to be getting 10 goals.
Harry - LCFC Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 It really isn't though, is it? None of the three relegated sides had a striker who could hit more than seven, and of the seven bottom-half sides who survived three of them had players who managed more than that. The most positive way you can spin those figures is 'if you don't have a striker who can hit more than seven goals, you won't necessarily get relegated, but it's likely to be a close-run thing'. We do not need the strikers to score plenty, nor do we need to avoid having the least clean sheets in the league, nor do we need to earn more corners than at least five other teams. These things are indicators of small aspects of the team's performance that together give a good picture of how well we'll do but on their own really don't mean much. The reason Cardiff and the like are down there is not purely because their forwards didn't get to seven goals as you are saying but because they suffered from that in combination with a host of other things (such as the examples I gave). Focusing on one and saying "this is it, this is why they went" down is simply not correct.
Micky Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 Only 18 players in the whole league got more than 10. 14 of those players now play for Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs. I think perhaps it is you who is be naive and underestimating how difficult it is for strikers to be getting 10 goals. I couldn't care what anyone else achieved and I am not debating how difficult the league is. 6-7 goals in a season for a striker is poor and I would bet that any striker who got this total would be disappointed with their return.
Finnaldo Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 I couldn't care what anyone else achieved and I am not debating how difficult the league is. 6-7 goals in a season for a striker is poor and I would bet that any striker who got this total would be disappointed with their return. So you think that unless we're Liverpool/Man City standard we're disappointing? Unbelievable.
Micky Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 So you think that unless we're Liverpool/Man City standard we're disappointing? Unbelievable. Where did I mention the team being at a particular standard? I am talking about individual players and I am stating that a 6/7 goal return for a striker would be a disappointment for ME (maybe not you). If anyone thinks that this is a good return, then in my opinion, you have extremely limited aspirations. Over the past three seasons plenty of good but not world class strikers have got into double figures - Lambert - 15, Holt - 15, DJ Campbell - 13, Le Fondre - 12, S.Fletcher - 13, D.Ba - 15, D.Graham - 12.... The list go's on. I will stick with what I have said because it is my own personal opinion. If Vardy or Nugent get 6/7 goals I will be disappointed - not on suicide watch, just disappointed.
LCFC31 Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 Where did I mention the team being at a particular standard? I am talking about individual players and I am stating that a 6/7 goal return for a striker would be a disappointment for ME (maybe not you). If anyone thinks that this is a good return, then in my opinion, you have extremely limited aspirations. Over the past three seasons plenty of good but not world class strikers have got into double figures - Lambert - 15, Holt - 15, DJ Campbell - 13, Le Fondre - 12, S.Fletcher - 13, D.Ba - 15, D.Graham - 12.... The list go's on. I will stick with what I have said because it is my own personal opinion. If Vardy or Nugent get 6/7 goals I will be disappointed - not on suicide watch, just disappointed. By the way you're going on I would assume you are already on suicide watch.
Micky Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 By the way you're going on I would assume you are already on suicide watch. Cheesecake.
MPH Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 And your point is that because strikers at other clubs are sub standard we should accept that. 7-8 goals means they, the team they play for or both are not good enough in my eyes. Accepting paltry returns because the league is harder is accepting the chance of failure. Akinbadbuy scored that amount. He was lauded wasn't he? err what? Did you really just call etoo'o, Torres, Welbeck, Podolski, Crouch, Odemwingie and Cisse sub standard? None of those strikers scored more than 9 goals.... Or for the first 5 are you saying their clubs were not good enough if not them? Goodness...
lgfualol Posted 31 May 2014 Posted 31 May 2014 So if he signs a new contract next week, will he be classed as a new signing? Being unemployed tomorrow n all.
Hack Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 Only 18 players in the whole league got more than 10. 14 of those players now play for Liverpool, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs. I think perhaps it is you who is be naive and underestimating how difficult it is for strikers to be getting 10 goals. People are forgetting that we have 8 games less in the Premier League to the Championship, that makes a significant difference in counting on goal output. Not to say the amount of goals per game scored by a lower half team will be much lower than the tally we scored last season. This fixation with 20 goal season strikers is just nuts. We don't and wont have a Suarez or Bony.
ealingfox Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 Saw it banded about in this thread so had to look it up, but Ade Akinbiyi scored 9 PL goals one season. If you compare that to the names put forth in the thread who scored very few last season, the idea that a newly-promoted team or any other team needs a certain amount of goals from a player to survive is completely and utterly dispelled. You could score fewer than 40 goals and win the title. Crystal Palace scored just 33 goals last season, and not only stayed up but finished mid-table. I think the squad as it is would bag more than that.
Guest Basildon Fox Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 err what? Did you really just call etoo'o, Torres, Welbeck, Podolski, Crouch, Odemwingie and Cisse sub standard? None of those strikers scored more than 9 goals.... Or for the first 5 are you saying their clubs were not good enough if not them? Goodness... Errr... Do you think that they would be massively disappointed by scoring that amount? Well done for ignoring the Akinbiyi stat whilst trying to rubbish what I had put.
VLC86 Posted 1 June 2014 Posted 1 June 2014 You could score fewer than 40 goals and win the title. Exactly how many times in history has this happened?
Hack Posted 10 June 2014 Posted 10 June 2014 Has apparently agreed a 3 year deal with burnley Emmo, What is the source for this? If true, that would be very disappointing.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 10 June 2014 Posted 10 June 2014 Has apparently agreed a 3 year deal with burnleyNooooooo Sean Dyche has a daughter who goes to the same Brownies group as mine, saw him a couple of weeks ago picking her up. On his phone I specifically heard "how many years does he want?" Wonder if it was about Nuge
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