Rotherham & other City/Town child abuse scandals

[Rincewind]

Don't know but I guess it's the sort of idea thats been sad in one form or another by people with influence  not that I'm convinced one can define British Values

True and he is not the only one that said it.

 

'His concern echoes the dispute between Mr Gove and Theresa May, the Home Secretary, who feared that the hardline approach to extremism favoured by the Education Secretary could brand all Muslims as potential terrorists.'

 

 

The small extract is taken out of context.

 

In his letter, the Lib Dem leader said: “Being Muslim does not contradict being British, nor is it in tension with it. A person can uphold their religious and cultural identity as well as British identity.”

[Dr The Singh]

Only just saw this last night on catch-up TV, Doctor. Truly horrendous! Here's a link for anyone who wants to watch it, but don't do so if you're feeling depressed: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/pakistans-hidden-shame/4od

The text that Dr. The Singh quotes (above) has the gist and I've put some main points in bold.

It's not girls that are getting raped and abused in Pakistan, it seems, but the thousands of street boys....vulnerable children, as in Rotherham, just males due to the rigid division of the sexes in Pakistani society. Misogynistic attitudes towards women are clearly implicated in the problem, though, as is the nature of Islam over there. It seems to be taught in a very crude form, a bit like old-style "hell-fire" Christian preaching: fear Allah, pray 5 times per day, follow the rules, don't think, view women as remote, virginal creatures to be "respected" yet despised etc. No wonder there's a pretty clear parallel with some of the abuse that has occurred within the Catholic Church in Ireland and the USA.

Watching this programme was not a pleasant experience - numerous blokes openly admitting that they'd repeatedly raped boys aged 7 upwards. But it does help you understand a bit more about how outrages like Rotherham can come about. It clearly is a widespread culture in Pakistan, and one that society and the mosques turn a blind eye to.

While you do end up understanding more the mentality and society behind all this, the programme doesn't really explain how this all started. I've not heard of, say Bangladeshi or Palestinian Muslims getting involved in child abuse in this country (or in their own), despite the problems they have. So what's different about Pakistan? Is Islam taught differently there, or is it just that society there has degenerated due to years of street poverty, heroin abuse, political chaos - and now regular terrorist outrages by Islamists from Afghanistan and the border areas?

Don't expect to enjoy this if you watch it, but it is certainly an eye-opener. Thanks for recommending, Dr. Singh.

Don't thank me bud, thank Ken, his efforts should not go unoticed

[Guest MattP]

He finally resigns, it's a shame it had to come to a room full of people telling him if they had a gun they would shoot him but it's finally good to see the people of the Northern towns actually directing some anger towards the people that have caused these issues to become so common in their areas.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29220535

 

Now for the results of the inquiry to see who, what and why these things were allowed to happen.....then hopefully some people will see the inside of a jail cell for a long time if they were culpable in allowing these things to happen to further their own agendas.

[Thracian]

So is this part of the problem or is he right to raise it?

 

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Pity Clegg doesn't emigrate to the Arctic. . 

[Buce]

Pity Clegg doesn't emigrate to the Arctic. .

What did the Inuit do to deserve that?

[Thracian]

Don't thank me bud, thank Ken, his efforts should not go unoticed

 

Only just saw this last night on catch-up TV, Doctor. Truly horrendous! Here's a link for anyone who wants to watch it, but don't do so if you're feeling depressed: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/pakistans-hidden-shame/4od

 

The text that Dr. The Singh quotes (above) has the gist and I've put some main points in bold.

 

It's not girls that are getting raped and abused in Pakistan, it seems, but the thousands of street boys....vulnerable children, as in Rotherham, just males due to the rigid division of the sexes in Pakistani society. Misogynistic attitudes towards women are clearly implicated in the problem, though, as is the nature of Islam over there. It seems to be taught in a very crude form, a bit like old-style "hell-fire" Christian preaching: fear Allah, pray 5 times per day, follow the rules, don't think, view women as remote, virginal creatures to be "respected" yet despised etc. No wonder there's a pretty clear parallel with some of the abuse that has occurred within the Catholic Church in Ireland and the USA.

 

Watching this programme was not a pleasant experience - numerous blokes openly admitting that they'd repeatedly raped boys aged 7 upwards. But it does help you understand a bit more about how outrages like Rotherham can come about. It clearly is a widespread culture in Pakistan, and one that society and the mosques turn a blind eye to.

 

While you do end up understanding more the mentality and society behind all this, the programme doesn't really explain how this all started. I've not heard of, say Bangladeshi or Palestinian Muslims getting involved in child abuse in this country (or in their own), despite the problems they have. So what's different about Pakistan? Is Islam taught differently there, or is it just that society there has degenerated due to years of street poverty, heroin abuse, political chaos - and now regular terrorist outrages by Islamists from Afghanistan and the border areas?

 

Don't expect to enjoy this if you watch it, but it is certainly an eye-opener. Thanks for recommending, Dr. Singh.

 

 

Endless lame excuses and no it doesn't make me "understand" Rotherham because there's nothing new about Rotherham.

 

I don't understand how non-nationals among these abusers were ever admitted to this country in the first place considering that I'd doubt many were new to offending when they arrived here - and who in their right mind would import heroin addicts or anyone who was HIV positive - except perhaps to treat them if treatment wasn't available in their own country - and then send them straight back home?

 

Perhaps they'll do another report on the massive increase in STD's in this country of late because I'm quite sure the abuse outlined above - often with reckless disregard for potential victims - won't be helping.  http://www.theonlineclinic.co.uk/news/2010/08/25/STDInfectionsOnTheRise.aspx

 

Nor do I understand why supposedly responsible people (even councillors, social workers and police officers) ignored or overlooked so much of what was going on for so many years and how would anyone "understand" how the same head-in-the-sand attitudes in so many places was allowed to result in an epidemic of abuse resulting in a rape map that looks like this. http://kafircrusaders.wordpress.com/muslim-grooming-paedo-map/

Not only is it shameful, disgusting and criminal but it also reflects a total disrespect and disregard for young and/or vulnerable people.  Worst of all is that all these things were entirely predictable but Blair and co would hear none of it, such was their desperation for power and belief in their nonsensical and unmandated philosophies.  

Edited 16 September 2014 by Thracian

[Rincewind]

Does anyone want to see a link that lists all the MP]s and high profile people that have been CONVICTED of child  abuse and porn downloading etc? I was reluctant to post here as it shows that no one political party are less guilty than others which has been my belief throughout this thread. But at the moment Rotherham understandably is the highest featured profile within the media and public's eye.

I cannot guarantee of finding the link quickly but I think it was a blog with Muir in the title so a little Googling may find it.

I am not taking sides just trying to add a broader outlook on the debate and as I have said before anyone guilty of committing these offenses or covering up should be dealt with regardless of their status according to the law.

Edited 16 September 2014 by Rincewind

[Guest MattP]

Yeah whack it up Ken I'd be interested to see it.

 

(even though it's not really relevant to what is being discussed here)

[Rincewind]

If it is not relevant I will not 'whack' it up. How about the biggest cvnts thread?

[Guest MattP]

Yeah I'm not fussed. Would be a good read. I can't actually remember an MP being convicted of it.

 

Whulst I'm sure all parties have them, I think I know which one just might have the most.

[Thracian]

What did the Inuit do to deserve that?

 

[Guest MattP]

How a Home Office researcher was treated after raising concerns about child grooming in Rotherham.
 

Edited 18 September 2014 by MattP

[Strokes]

How a Home Office researcher was treated after raising concerns about child grooming in Rotherham.

Nice! cant let a little thing like child abuse, stand in the way of racial harmony.

[Guest MattP]

It's like something you would imagine in North Korea or China. You don't think like us so we'll send you away to make sure you do.

 

Actually going on over here this, it's quite incredible. 

 

The days the people behind things like this are being publicly lynched the better it will be for the vast majority.

[davieG]

Child sex exploitation 'happens across Stoke-on-Trent'

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It is "undoubtedly the case" child sexual exploitation is taking place across Stoke-on-Trent, a report said.

The council report said 27 youngsters were targeted in the city in 2013 and 78 were at risk.

It comes as an independent review of child protection services praised the authority for developing "an effective multi-agency response" to the issue.

Gwen Hassall, the authority's deputy leader, said the problem was "nothing like the one in Rotherham".

A report earlier this year revealed that in that town at least 1,400 children were abused.

The report on Stoke, carried out by a team from the University of Bedfordshire, said there was a long waiting list to access support.

It made 25 recommendations about how the service can improve. These include nominating a multi-agency co-ordinator and improving recording.

The report to the council's Children and Young People Overview and Scrutiny Committee said Stoke's deprivation, motorway infrastructure and cheap rental properties made it more vulnerable to sex exploitation.

Mrs Hassall said it was "very sad" to admit the exploitation goes on.

"We are doing everything we physically can to get rid of it," she said.

"I would be foolish to say this is not happening."

[Guest MattP]

We're going to find out over the next few years that Rotherham was probably the norm rather than the exception.

What the world must think of us for allowing this to happen I have no idea.

[Bellend Sebastian]

Let's not downplay the seriousness of what's happened in Rotherham but this slightly odd looking Chief Constable brings some much needed context and perspective to the issue.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/15/rotherham-child-sexual-abuse-scandal-tip-iceberg-police-chief

"However Bailey warned that the media was in danger of becoming fixated by “one model of child sexual exploitation” involving Asian gangs. “There has been an unhealthy focus on that particular model of abuse and we cannot afford to take our eye off the fact that it is but one model and we have to look at the bigger picture.”

The concern of the police is that it is not gangs that are the biggest problem when it comes to sexual abuse, but the home.

Bailey said: “[This fixation] is rather overshadowing a far, far, bigger picture, and that bigger picture is that 90% of child sexual abuse takes place in the home where crimes are being perpetuated upon victims by people they know already. It is really important that we get some context around this.”

Edited 16 October 2014 by Bellend Sebastian

[Webbo]

No one is denying that child abuse doesn't only happen amongst Pakistani men. It's the fact that the police turned a blind eye to abuse because of political correctness. The article above is just obfuscation and excuse making.

[Guest MattP]

No one is denying that child abuse doesn't only happen amongst Pakistani men. It's the fact that the police turned a blind eye to abuse because of political correctness. The article above is just obfuscation and excuse making.

 

This.

 

People still don't seem to get what this is actually about, we know most child abuse happens in the home etc - that's something that's extremely hard to stop as it's often completely hidden from society.

 

Here we had cases where people were going to the police and being ignored, family members telling the people that are supposed to protect them that their own children were being drugged and raped and were even told at times to go away or face arrest, people on the inside who when raising concerns about it were send on diversity courses instead of being taken seriously. The authorities were clearly allowing child gang rape to occur because they didn't want to appear racist, it's so baffling anyone normal shouldn't be able to understand it.

 

Not to mention the cultural issues that come with Pakistani men, the amount of these cases that involved brothers, uncles, cousins etc all passing the same girl around shows we have clear issues on just how seemingly large portions of that community view Western girls,

 

I'm imagine most peadophiles that are in the '90% that do in the family home with a victim they know' don't start ringing up all their relatives asking them if they want to join in. That's the issue I can't get my head around, just how open and acceptable a lot of this was to many people.

[I am Rod Hull]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/21/rochdale-taxi-firm-white-drivers-on-request

 

[ADK]

I'm not sure what's funny about that.

[johnny the fox]

I'm not sure what's funny about that.

White peado's who can drive will been salivating at that news..

[Guest MattP]

Not funny but will be unsurprising to any of us who live in the real world.

Even down here the amount of stories you hear about what Asian taxi drivers try and think they can get up to when taking drunk birds home is quite shocking.

If you were a single travelling white drunk girl in a northern town it's perfectly understandable you wouldn't want to take your chances.

Edited 22 October 2014 by MattP

[Guest MattP]

I know a cab firm is Leicester that does this for blokes as well, 'English speaking driver' is the code.

[Rincewind]

It never bothers me but I rarely take taxis. I see nothing wrong though in asking for a specific driver if you take them regular. The driver will know the route and will most likely charge the same amount. This will be true especially for instance a disabled or elderly person who needs help getting in and out the taxi and maybe help with shopping etc. Some drivers will see the person safely to the door others will just drive off, eager to get the next fare.

I suppose it depends on how the type of driver is requested. Some people who speak little English may also ask for a non-English speaking driver so it works both ways. Up north if the request is made in the right way and not 'I don't want a Paki because they are all rapists' then it cannot be construed as wrong,