'Multiculturalism has resulted in division, separatism and distrust'

[Koke]

If you are brought up by devout parents in a devout community, very few people can escape the idealology and think logically afterwards.

 

 

 

The thing with Islam is that questioning and intellectual discourse is discouraged. There are plenty of logical inconsistencies in the Koran but if you question it you are quickly told to shut up.  People who leave Islam and become Atheists are often shunned from their communities. It took me 20 years to realise the poison I was fed all my childhood. 

 

There are plenty of "Muslims" who are in actual fact Atheists but are worried about the backlash they might receive if they openly admit they dont believe in Islam anymore. I, personally, never cared what anyone thought of me though. I told my family and friends that Islam was garbage and I didnt believe anymore. 

 

Religion is poison. 

[Guest MattP]

Not sure? It's absolutely ludicrous it was removed. I posted this in the gear grinding thread. For some reason this above everything else recently has wound me up the most

It's the consequence of the offence obsessed society we have become. Things that are often perfectly reasonable will be censored if even the most ridiculous small minority are offended.

Even if he has took it the extreme (African reference is quite baffling given it's obviously a dig at UKIP) I wouldn't have removed it.

That said, maybe if Banksy does want to draw attention to political issues maybe he should come out and debate them in a public forum like most of us do rather than attacking the electorate in an area of Britain that is probably nothing to do with him.

[bovril]

It's the consequence of the offence obsessed society we have become. Things that are often perfectly reasonable will be censored if even the most ridiculous small minority are offended.

Even if he has took it the extreme (African reference is quite baffling given it's obviously a dig at UKIP) I wouldn't have removed it.

That said, maybe if Banksy does want to draw attention to political issues maybe he should come out and debate them in a public forum like most of us do rather than attacking the electorate in an area of Britain that is probably nothing to do with him.

 

The whole things quite hilarious as everybody seems to be getting touchy about different things. I just thought the use of "Africa" and "migrant" were bad bird puns. That's the beauty of art I suppose, everybody sees it from their own perspective. Top marks Banksy.

[digitalalba]

4 weeks ago, the BBC ran a poll asking their multicultural loving viewers, Is multiculturalism working? 95% said No.

[Webbo]

4 weeks ago, the BBC ran a poll asking their multicultural loving viewers, Is multiculturalism working? 95% said No.

Polls tend to taken from a wide section of the public but even so not everybody who watches th BBC is a tofu knitting lefty.

 

I really don't know what you're trying to achieve on this thread. You're coming across as a bit of a crank.

[digitalalba]

Polls tend to taken from a wide section of the public but even so not everybody who watches th BBC is a tofu knitting lefty.

 

I really don't know what you're trying to achieve on this thread. You're coming across as a bit of a crank.

There is no greater promoter of the multicultural experiment in the media, than the BBC, so their audience is going to be the most loving of that ideology. That said, my gut feeling is, that most people don't particularly like or care about multiculturalism, they certainly don't participate in it, but it feels like they do because they're not allowed to say they don't, which is a very dangerous concept. And they never directly vote for it.

 

Crank? Multiculturalism failed many years ago, in fact, it was never intended to succeed if truth be known, because those who implemented it had a plan that wasn't very good. Had they first even attempted to encourage the British people to want it, you could at least assume they had everyone's best interests at heart, but they didn't, they forced it upon us knowing the history of culture clash. Ipso-facto, they had strong suspicions it was going to end horribly, but why?

[Guest MattP]

4 weeks ago, the BBC ran a poll asking their multicultural loving viewers, Is multiculturalism working? 95% said No.

 

I remember that, was on a Sunday Morning and Owen Jones was on.

 

Despite the poll he still tried to put an argument forward that the people supported more of it

[ADK]

The banksy was probably removed by ukip supporters. It mentions Africa because that's where a lot of birds migrate from (Africa being warmer) and it's a parody of anti immigrant sentiment but it isn't really some great political statement.

[Koke]

There is no greater promoter of the multicultural experiment in the media, than the BBC, so their audience is going to be the most loving of that ideology. That said, my gut feeling is, that most people don't particularly like or care about multiculturalism, they certainly don't participate in it, but it feels like they do because they're not allowed to say they don't, which is a very dangerous concept. And they never directly vote for it.

 

Crank? Multiculturalism failed many years ago, in fact, it was never intended to succeed if truth be known, because those who implemented it had a plan that wasn't very good. Had they first even attempted to encourage the British people to want it, you could at least assume they had everyone's best interests at heart, but they didn't, they forced it upon us knowing the history of culture clash. Ipso-facto, they had strong suspicions it was going to end horribly, but why?

 

What would you do to fix the failures of multiculturalism?

[DennisNedry]

What would you do to fix the failures of multiculturalism?

 

Too late now!

 

The cat is well and truly out the bag there.

[digitalalba]

What would you do to fix the failures of multiculturalism?

Assuming i'm PM with a free mandate to change things?

The first thing I would do is close the borders.

Then I would address the country to tell them that we are changing our society to a more traditional British way of life, and that a new law has been put forward that would prevent any future government from changing things for 10 years, and from thereafter, they would need the consent (more than 50%) of the British public to do so.

Then I would pull out of the EU with immediate effect, stop foreign aid and the many other tax funded projects designed to promote multiculturalism. I estimate this alone would give me inxs of £33,000,000,000 Billion, which would be used to provide financial aid to those wishing to seek alternative lives, and to house with a new prison the likely far left anarchists that will feel the world has caved in on them.

If this works, I would end our role within the FIAT banking system and seek to join Russia with China in creating a new monetary system, not based on fracial banking, but banking backed soley by gold and silver. I feel sorry for the American people, they are heading for total chaos, so this would help them hopefully force out the unconstitutional 'federal' reserve. If that worked, Europes banking system would collapse and thus would join a monetary system that works for the little man. Wouldn't be long after that, that all the people, of all of the countries, would have soverign country they can call their own, that they can seriously work to build that would work for them in return, instead of the 1% banksters, of which by the way, Nigel Farage is STILL one of.

[Voll Blau]

That said, maybe if Banksy does want to draw attention to political issues maybe he should come out and debate them in a public forum like most of us do rather than attacking the electorate in an area of Britain that is probably nothing to do with him.

 

 

[Harry - LCFC]

 

Assuming i'm PM with a free mandate to change things?

The first thing I would do is close the borders.

Then I would address the country to tell them that we are changing our society to a more traditional British way of life, and that a new law has been put forward that would prevent any future government from changing things for 10 years, and from thereafter, they would need the consent (more than 50%) of the British public to do so.

Then I would pull out of the EU with immediate effect, stop foreign aid and the many other tax funded projects designed to promote multiculturalism. I estimate this alone would give me inxs of £33,000,000,000 Billion, which would be used to provide financial aid to those wishing to seek alternative lives, and to house with a new prison the likely far left anarchists that will feel the world has caved in on them.

 

How?

 

You can't make people behave in a certain way. And I don't mean it's wrong to make them do so I mean you physically can't do it. All you can do is nudge people in a certain direction and give people time to integrate themselves.

 

I'm also a bit bemused that you're asking for these emergency powers as if we were facing a national disaster. Cultural war is some way off at the moment and there's no way we need to act as radically as you're suggesting. Smaller scale policies like changes in the education system, moderate reductions to immigration and prioritising those from the Anglo-sphere would be adequate.

 

Personally I think the precedent you'd set by demanding for authoritarian government when it isn't needed would do far more damage than multiculturalism is doing now.

[Bettsj2]

Digitalalba and his views are in the minority so this cultural war will never happen. Revolution will never happen. An uprising of white British dissilusioned youngsters will never happen etc etc.

When it comes to the crunch, most people actually think, 'I'm alright actually'.

To me, when I look at how the country was before immigration, multiculturalism, immigration etc, it looked pretty shit.

[Vacamion]

 

 I estimate this alone would give me inxs of £33,000,000,000 Billion,

 

 

£33 billion or £33 billion billion ?

 

[Vacamion]

 

 

Then I would address the country to tell them that we are changing our society to a more traditional British way of life,

 

 

 

Indeed. We can start nicking other people's countries again and telling them it's for their own good.  Loudly and in ENGLISH.

 

I for one look forward to a glorious new stiff-upper-lipped era of deference to our betters, of failing to go the dentist, of eating boiled beef and carrots, of loving all underdogs.  Hey, let's invent some team sports to channel our public school inflicted sexual hang-ups whilst we're at it... 

 

 

Britain pre 1970s was a pile of dogpoo.

 

For all it's faults and all our problems, give me the outward-looking diverse mish mash we have now, any day. 

[Rincewind]

People mainly look at these things through an adults eyes. Watch a group of children pre-school playing together. They could be from different backgrounds colour and cultures but they play together anyway. It is only as they grow older that they are influenced by parents and the community they grow up. People are not born prejudiced, racist or religious. Adults should take a lesson from children.

[Rob1742]

Islam is a big concern to me.

I had a boss who was a Muslim who after I gained his trust told me that the only concern with 9/11 was that the White House was not taken out. 9/11 was a good day for him and he is a very well respected member of his community.

One of his staff I approached after the London Underground bombings and after I spilled my outrage, his comment was "well look what is happening in Iraq".

The first guy is very wealthy and powerful and what is more concerning is that a percentage of their profits go to Muslim causes, and it is hard to track where this money ends up.

His view that one day everyone will follow Islam, it is only a matter of time and it was weird to see that they lived their lives by the book - Koran.

I am fairly balanced, don't think that all Muslims follow this same situation, but I am very concerned that I managed to gain someone's trust and only at that point I found out their view.

So I am concerned, also pleased that you are hearing Muslims speak out against what is going on, but am very concerned that views maybe being held back as it is not currently in their interests to speak out.

I have no issue with multicturalism, provided those that come in live within our society and mix. I think in the main it has happened and has got much better over the years, but the Muslim situation worries me a great deal due to my personal experience.

I think our issue is that we have let people in that don't want to live by our laws, want to take over our schools and have an agenda that we all one day will be Muslim.

We certainly need this debating as I am unsure of the situation myself and if the vast majority of Muslims want to live by our laws and want us to all live together, then we need to work harder together to ensure we get this message across.

So I have probably a skewed view due to personal experience, and am desperate for the Muslims to come forward and engage and fight the extremism together, provided they want too.

Don't see an issue anywhere else in society, I see in the main that those arriving have respected the values of the people already there and it works.

Over the next five years we will find out for sure whether ALL of those that have joined us respect the values, and if we find out there is a group that doesn't and have come here to impose themselves upon us, it certainly will be an extremely messy situation. They will either work with us to stop extremism, or the lid will come off and their will be horrendous problems all over major cities across the world. Probably best we find out soon.

[Samilktray]

Can't we just ban the vast majority of posters in this thread and beg LD3 to come back.

[Guest MattP]

People mainly look at these things through an adults eyes. Watch a group of children pre-school playing together. They could be from different backgrounds colour and cultures but they play together anyway. It is only as they grow older that they are influenced by parents and the community they grow up. People are not born prejudiced, racist or religious. Adults should take a lesson from children.

 

Actually a bit of a myth this. As children develop they tend to stick to their ethnic group.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2009822/Why-toddlers-naturally-gravitate-children-ethnicity.html

[digitalalba]

How?

 

You can't make people behave in a certain way. And I don't mean it's wrong to make them do so I mean you physically can't do it. All you can do is nudge people in a certain direction and give people time to integrate themselves.

 

I'm also a bit bemused that you're asking for these emergency powers as if we were facing a national disaster. Cultural war is some way off at the moment and there's no way we need to act as radically as you're suggesting. Smaller scale policies like changes in the education system, moderate reductions to immigration and prioritising those from the Anglo-sphere would be adequate.

 

Personally I think the precedent you'd set by demanding for authoritarian government when it isn't needed would do far more damage than multiculturalism is doing now.

We changed people's physical approach to multiculturalism. The reason being, that those in charge have spent billions of our taxes promoting it, telling us constantly that we're not British anymore, allowing millions of non British people to settle here and their cultures, which has changed us. All we need do is reverse that. We don't allow anymore non christian (I don't like Christianity by the way) religious buildings or beliefs to flourish in our society. We don't allow non British people into the country etc etc in time, those who don't feel British will leave of their own accord, and of course their will be money to aid others to leave if they wish.

 

If you think the buggery of at least 14,000 girls in Rotherham isn't a national disaster, there's something wrong, and Rotherham is only the tip of the ice berg, it is happening all over the country. When the very core promoters of multiculturalism tell us how great it is and at the same time let this happen, that is a national disaster. And all the other horrific things that go on.

Cultural war has already begun, albeit on a 'small' scale, they just don't tell you about it all because it exposes their claim that everything is wonderful.

The cultural war is as small as the British feeling alienated in their own country, after being forced against their will - to whole scale violence. And for that matter, other cultures of people feeling like they don't belong. We have to be concerned for their well being too. Recently in Sheffield, Roma gypsies fought battle with the police and Muslims because having being invited to this country, and bringing with them their values, they didn't fit in.

 

Moderate immigration?

 

Authoritarian government?? man alive...i'm a liberal, I want all people to be happy.

[digitalalba]

To me, when I look at how the country was before immigration, multiculturalism, immigration etc, it looked pretty shit.

Me too, but add the modernism we naturally have today, better homes, sunny exotic holidays, a metal box with a wheel on each corner that rarely lets you down, 100MB internet, 500 tv channels, 50" tv, modern medical care and a community spirit where we all think relatively similar, which makes you want to say hello to a passer by, oh we can dream of a better world. A world where there is no threat of 'home grown' terrorism because we bomb their motherland brothers, wouldn't need to.

[digitalalba]

People mainly look at these things through an adults eyes. Watch a group of children pre-school playing together. They could be from different backgrounds colour and cultures but they play together anyway. It is only as they grow older that they are influenced by parents and the community they grow up. People are not born prejudiced, racist or religious. Adults should take a lesson from children.

You're talking about young people who don't understand life. It is only when they grow up and learn to think for themselves, that they are in a position to learn who they are and what they're about.

[The Doctor]

The birds were shown holding banners which read 'Move out the way white people, Africans are here as well' and 'Migrants more Welcome than Brits'.

Multicultural politicians are known for making provocative political statements through their work.

 

 

   Multiculturalism doesn't involve replacing british people with immigrants, it's simply having non- brits in britain. The only people who think that it's about replacing white people with non-whites are the pointless twats who consider the existence of non-whites in this country to be genocide of whites - and if that is you, unplug your computer, go think very hard about what you believe, then shut up, because you're an idiot.

[DennisNedry]

   Multiculturalism doesn't involve replacing british people with immigrants, it's simply having non- brits in britain. The only people who think that it's about replacing white people with non-whites are the pointless twats who consider the existence of non-whites in this country to be genocide of whites - and if that is you, unplug your computer, go think very hard about what you believe, then shut up, because you're an idiot.

 

The aim of multiculturalism is not to replace white Brits, but it is definitely the result of it

 

Displacement followed by eventual replacement.