Time to man up and get rid!

[MC Prussian]

As I said earlier, now is not the time to be giving it the big un. When we are fourth from bottom and playing better football I'll listen to ya. However 'classy' Cambiasso is, he's still a pretty much ever present in a side that sits at the bottom of the division and is leaking goals for fun.

You're making yourself look a little daft posting stuff like this tonight, particularly after Sunderland have held Chelsea to zero goals and Cattemole was, by many accounts, very good.

You make it sound as if we're a hopeless case.

 

First of all, today marks the very first time we're at the very bottom of the table (however unfortunate the slip down the ladder may be), and "leaking goals for fun" isn't exactly describing our current predicament precisely enough when, all in all, we've done a solid to good job up until today containing the opposition (18 goals against in 12 matches, only conceded three goals once before and kept two clean sheets, lost to West Brom to a freak own goal, etc.). There's more than a handful of other teams with a similar goals-against record at the moment.

[Corky]

Being classy in a side that is bottom is no accolade really. I'd rather have a solid, tough, cohesive team. I'm not bothered about individuals now. We need to sort this mess out as a team.

 

It's not an accolade but surely it's encouraging that even in a bad run we still have players who look capable and can start to turn things around with the team? 

 

Unless you want every player to struggle personally as well, which I doubt.

[Guest Col city fan]

You make it sound as if we're a hopeless case.

First of all, today marks the very first time we're at the very bottom of the table (however unfortunate the slip down the ladder may be), and "leaking goals for fun" isn't exactly describing our current predicament precisely enough when, all in all, we've done a solid to good job up until today containing the opposition (18 goals against in 12 matches, only conceded three goals once before and kept two clean sheets, lost to West Brom to a freak own goal, etc.). There's more than a handful of other teams with a similar goals-against record at the moment.

No, I stated a fact.

Bottom and lots of goals conceded.

[Leicesterpool]

Any managers from this list? Personally I think Pearson deserves a chance, However from a business and football perspective he needs to turn this around FAST. and stop making utterly delusional decisions, or he won't last long.

 

Paolo di canio

Owen coyle

Alan curbishley

Roy Keane (If he left Ireland)

Glenn hoddle (If he left QPR)

Kenny Dalglish

gerard houlier

Martin Jol

Brian McDermott

Tony Pulis

Graham souness

Tim Sherwood

Gianfranco Zola

 

Some of the better known Unemployed managers

 

Personally would LOVE to see Glenn Hoddle have another crack at it.

I like the sound of Hoddle, I do think he's due a return into football and wouldn't say he would be an awful choice to replace Pearson but his last job in management i think was a decade ago when he was in charge of Wolves in the championship and I don't think that worked out. However I wouldn't rule out Hoddle I still think he's good manager.

 

How would be react if say Steve McClaren was announced? okay was crap at England and at Forest but he did a great job at Middlesbrough lead them to a Uefa Cup final, plus he's managed in europe to, lifted a title in holland for FC Twente, also not doing a bad job at Derby playing some decent football.

[inckley fox]

So anybody who doesn't want to take leap into the dark and not sack the manager at this time is only motivated by emotion?  Or could it be some us have been around long enough with this club to realize that sacking a manager in panic is not always a magic bullet?

 

You've not read my post. I don't want to sack the manager.

 

I'm just saying that a lot of other people who don't want to sack the manager are doing an awful job at arguing their case.

 

Fans of Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Sunderland and West Brom - among others - with much shorter memories than your own could tell you something about replacing popular managers when their sides are struggling too. As for Leicester, I assume you're referring to the sacking of Eriksson which brought Pearson here, the sacking of Sousa which saw us lifted off the bottom of the table and into the promotion race, the sacking of Allen on the back of his spending millions on DJ Campbell and Stephen Clemence, the sacking of Levein which saw us stay up in 2006... or maybe the sacking of Taylor. Do you think he had what it takes to keep us up in 2002?

 

I'm not sure which memory of sacking a Leicester City manager it is which leads you to believe that it's not the right thing to do.

 

What I'm saying is that if, at boardroom level, the argument to keep Pearson is as easily dismantled as yours, then he's a goner.

That figures correct. They had 58% of the ball as well and had more shots on target, I think most people's gripe with today is we wasted better chances?

 

Oh, okay!

[Guest Col city fan]

Oh yeah, Give me some examples then, says the man who gave us Lee Clattermole. I said Cambiasso was a great signing and he's currently one of the few looking good enough to get us out of this, even my reservations about UIloa are slowly starting to look like they were warranted.

I retain my view on Cattermole as I always did. And didn't you suggest GTF would play more games for us this season than Nick Powell?

[MC Prussian]

No, I stated a fact.

Bottom and lots of goals conceded.

May I also state a fact: It was Sunderland's defense and goalkeeper Pantilimon who stopped Chelsea today, not Lee f***ing Cattermole.

[johnny the fox]

You've not read my post. I don't want to sack the manager.

 

I'm just saying that a lot of other people who don't want to sack the manager are doing an awful job at arguing their case.

 

Fans of Newcastle, Southampton, Palace, Sunderland and West Brom - among others - with much shorter memories than your own could tell you something about replacing popular managers when their sides are struggling too. As for Leicester, I assume you're referring to the sacking of Eriksson which brought Pearson here, the sacking of Sousa which saw us lifted off the bottom of the table and into the promotion race, the sacking of Allen on the back of his spending millions on DJ Campbell and Stephen Clemence, the sacking of Levein which saw us stay up in 2006... or maybe the sacking of Taylor. Do you think he had what it takes to keep us up in 2002?

 

I'm not sure which memory of sacking a Leicester City manager it is which leads you to believe that it's not the right thing to do.

 

What I'm saying is that if, at boardroom level, the argument to keep Pearson is as easily dismantled as yours, then he's a goner.

 

Oh, okay!

The fact that I quoted your own words means I obviously did read your post.. I never said you did want to sack the manager did I? I think I recall in the not too distant past us letting a fellow called Nigel leave , it cost this club a fortune and wasted years before we got the fellow back..

[inckley fox]

Err...that's all well and good but that wasn't really my point mate.

My point is that there are quite a few posters on here who never bothered to post during our record-breaking season last year and now we're doing badly they're all over it like rash. As I said, a bit embarrassing in my opinion.

 

Fair enough. Sorry if I put words into your mouth.

[Manwell Pablo]

I retain my view on Cattermole as I always did. And didn't you suggest GTF would play more games for us this season than Nick Powell?

 

 

No I didn't

 

In any case he's only one apperance behind and has currently had more pitch time.

 

EDIT: Sorry they're equal on apperances with GTF having more starts and vastly more pitch time.

[Guest Col city fan]

It's not an accolade but surely it's encouraging that even in a bad run we still have players who look capable and can start to turn things around with the team?

Unless you want every player to struggle personally as well, which I doubt.

Cambiasso has been pretty much ever present in a side that has not won in God knows how many and who are holding everyone is else up. Yet, you suggest he can 'start to turn things around in the team'. Why? Genuine question, where's the evidence?

[GaelicFox]

Sensible post that i agree with it all

Here here

[Guest ttfn]

No I didn't

In any case he's only one apperance behind and has currently had more pitch time.

He's certainly covered more of the pitch AMIRITE

[Tielemans63]

Fair enough. Sorry if I put words into your mouth.

Not at all mate. To be fair I agree with what you said about people slowly turning.

[inckley fox]

No I didn't

 

In any case he's only one apperance behind and has currently had more pitch time.

 

I think you said GTF was higher in the pecking order which, in fairness to you, he could easily have been seeing as Powell was yet to get a look-in and GTF had. I'm fairly sure anyone expecting him to get more appearances than Powell will be disappointed, but I could be wrong. And I'm still not sure you were right in saying Powell had been brought in as one for the future, seeing as he's on loan. Again, I could we be proven wrong.

 

Either way, from what I recall of the discussion, we were both engaging in a fair amount of speculation. Out of curiosity - and this isn't me trying to kick-start a new debate, definitely not - what do you think the outlook is for Nugent now? I know you've defended him on another thread but do you still feel he's going to have a central / major role to play?

[Corky]

Cambiasso has been pretty much ever present in a side that has not won in God knows how many and who are holding everyone is else up. Yet, you suggest he can 'start to turn things around in the team'. Why? Genuine question, where's the evidence?

 

Because he's got quality on the ball and is always talking to the team. He gave us a great start today with a good goal. He's the sort players can look up to for guidance. But he can't do it all, obviously. He can't stop own goals from the CB from a cross out wide. He can't help players failing to clear the ball from corners and the keeper not collecting crosses, or at least attempting to.

 

Who can turn the team around then, on the pitch? Schmeichel, Konchesky, Morgan, De Laet, James, Vardy, Ulloa, Nugent, Schlupp have all played a big role in this run too. Do we change the whole side? There isn't a huge amount of evidence to suggest we're magically going to turn it around because we are struggling in lots of areas so watching Cambiasso doing well individually is more preferable than seeing the whole team struggle in a miserable fashion.

 

Which is what I believe ttfn is hinting at.

[GingerrrFox]

Col you want Lee Cattermole. The bloke who was largely ineffective last week against us and who was very lucky to not get sent off for a nasty two footed scissor on Cambiasso. Nah you're alright thanks.

There are lots of things wrong with the team at the moment and none of them are either James or Cambiasso.

[inckley fox]

Col you want Lee Cattermole. The bloke who was largely ineffective last week against us and who was very lucky to not get sent off for a nasty two footed scissor on Cambiasso. Nah you're alright thanks.

There are lots of things wrong with the team at the moment and none of them are either James or Cambiasso.

 

Where do you think those biggest problems are? For me it's players causing our full backs too many problems, though I'm aware that there are plenty of other things going on which lead to them being exposed.

[Manwell Pablo]

I think you said GTF was higher in the pecking order which, in fairness to you, he could easily have been seeing as Powell was yet to get a look-in and GTF had. I'm fairly sure anyone expecting him to get more appearances than Powell will be disappointed, but I could be wrong. And I'm still not sure you were right in saying Powell had been brought in as one for the future, seeing as he's on loan. Again, I could we be proven wrong.

 

Either way, from what I recall of the discussion, we were both engaging in a fair amount of speculation. Out of curiosity - and this isn't me trying to kick-start a new debate, definitely not - what do you think the outlook is for Nugent now? I know you've defended him on another thread but do you still feel he's going to have a central / major role to play?

 

I know what I said I listed a names of numerous players ahead of Powell and at the end put "possibly even" i.e maybe GTF. And at the time of writing that's still correct.

 

Powell was always back up and squad depth primarily with a look to the future as a potential signing at the end of the season. He's currently played about as much as I told you he would and Lawrence is off to Rotherham.

 

Nugent needs to replaced ideally but I think the stick he gets is OTT and not addressing the real issues.

[Guest Col city fan]

Col you want Lee Cattermole. The bloke who was largely ineffective last week against us and who was very lucky to not get sent off for a nasty two footed scissor on Cambiasso. Nah you're alright thanks.

There are lots of things wrong with the team at the moment and none of them are either James or Cambiasso.

Ginger, where are you getting this from? I thought Cattermole was good against us. Solid. We scored no goals. Neither did Chelsea today. I suggest the midfield is one area where our team, I'm afraid, is sorely lacking. Neither solid enough defensively, nor creative enough, offensively.

[MC Prussian]

Ginger, where are you getting this from? I thought Cattermole was good against us. Solid. We scored no goals. Neither did Chelsea today. I suggest the midfield is one area where our team, I'm afraid, is sorely lacking. Neither solid enough defensively, nor creative enough, offensively.

We didn't fail to win against Sunderland because of Lee f***cking Cattermole. It was our ineptitude to finish chances or create them in the final third of the opposing half - already past Sunderland's midfield.

[GingerrrFox]

Where do you think those biggest problems are? For me it's players causing our full backs too many problems, though I'm aware that there are plenty of other things going on which lead to them being exposed.

I think Nigel is letting both De Laet and Konchesky get away with poor performances by digging out our wide players for not giving them enough protection. Yes your wide midfielders have to track back and help on the defensive side of the ball but only to a certain extent and there is only so much they can do.

Nigel is asking our wingers to track very deep so that we can keep a narrow back 4 but it completely nullifies our counter attacking threat which is one of the main reasons to play a 4-4-2. When we do get the ball we have one option, lump it forward to the 2 strikers upfield. The full backs for me need to be held more accountable and push out wider and look to stop crosses at source, rather than being positioned near the edge of the box and expecting the wide players to do it all for them. Too many times today they were allowed to cross balls into the box because our full backs didn't go and pressurise QPR's wide players.

Riyad Mahrez is a classy player and arguably our best attacking threat, he's never going to do the same job as Albrighton would defensively but it's clear to see who is more likely to create/score you a goal. Nigel needs to expect and demand more from our full backs.

[Manwell Pablo]

Ginger, where are you getting this from? I thought Cattermole was good against us. Solid. We scored no goals. Neither did Chelsea today. I suggest the midfield is one area where our team, I'm afraid, is sorely lacking. Neither solid enough defensively, nor creative enough, offensively.

 

Sunderland's goals for and against record is remarkable similar to our own. there's one goal in it. And Cattermole plays in front of a defense that while old is filled with top level experience. Our Captain and main CB is in his thirties playing his first top level season, we've a right back that can't cope defensively at this level, and a choice between a U21 again playing in his first season at the top level and Was who again is old and never played in the Prem.

 

Notice you've dropped the other arguement, probably wise.

 

[Dr The Singh]

Quality, we haven't got ut

[inckley fox]

Ginger, where are you getting this from? I thought Cattermole was good against us. Solid. We scored no goals. Neither did Chelsea today. I suggest the midfield is one area where our team, I'm afraid, is sorely lacking. Neither solid enough defensively, nor creative enough, offensively.

 

I can't agree that the midfield is a key area of concern. We created a huge number of chances, many of which were squandered by Vardy, and I think that's what we'd continue to do if we stuck with Cambiasso and Mahrez in there, and gave them a chance to build an understanding in a settled midfield unit. That's in spite of Mahrez at times looking too lightweight. Equally, I thought Schlupp did very well both going forward and in defence, and I think James covered a lot of ground. I thought today was more a story of one side that have learned how to take and defend set pieces, and another side which hasn't. Throw in a baffling substitution, a couple of poor displays from the full backs (again) and a wasteful display from Vardy and you've probably got the reasons for our defeat. I wouldn't put it down to a poor work rate or an especially dodgy midfield, Mahrez included.