Time to man up and get rid!

[Guest Col city fan]

Too many of our fans still do, and their history horizon reaches even way past last season.

"Delusions of grandeur" springs to mind.

That, of course, is crap.

No-one had any delusions of grandeur. Granted, people were a little bizarre in their underestimating of the division. But i don't think anyone thought it would be easy.

However, I guess very few thought we'd be as bad as we currently are?

That's not delusions of grandeur. That's surprise and a little upset.

Two very different things.

But keep on saying its delusions, if it makes you feel better.

[inckley fox]

The owners should have man'd up weeks ago when we still stood a chance. It was pretty obvious both the manager and the team were out of their depths then. Now although he has to go I'm afraid either misguided loyalty by the board has doomed us to straight back down.

 

But on the plus side get a manager in now and although we shall go down he will have time to look at the players and prepare for next season. Although I for one will not be stumping up to watch championship crap ever again.

 

I see what you're saying, though the nature of the last few defeats has left me feeling optimistic for the future. And, of course, I hope you're wrong. The nature of (I think) the Swansea defeat, where we offered nothing, made me wonder whether that might have been a moment for a club to make the change if they were serious about doing it (not that I called for him to go, I might add). Right now my gut feeling is that our best chance is sticking with Pearson, but who knows.

[MC Prussian]

That, of course, is crap.

No-one had any delusions of grandeur. Granted, people were a little bizarre in their underestimating of the division. But i don't think anyone thought it would be easy.

However, I guess very few thought we'd be as bad as we currently are?

That's not delusions of grandeur. That's surprise and a little upset.

Two very different things.

But keep on saying its delusions, if it makes you feel better.

There will always be a small portion amongst our fanbase who prefer to live in the glory years, comparing the situation, the starting ground then with today.

Some do actually have delusions of grandeur, thinking this club has a god-given right to be in this division (you actually agreed with me on that last bit not so long ago).

 

Anything else you said is more or less spot on - we're all surprised and a little upset.

It's the minority that keeps on shouting the loudest more often, giving the whole situation that "bizarre" fans' perspective.

[Bettsj2]

I didn't know it was May already.

Four points off 17th with 23 games to play and "we don't stand a chance"?

Err... right.

So first it was 'we're not even in the bottom 3', then, 'we're only in the bottom 3 on goal difference', then, 'we're only a point off 17th for fvcks sake' and now its '4 points off 17th with 23 games to play'.

At what point are these excuses going to stop and the realisation that Pearson is not the man to keep us up ram home?

[Mark_w]

No one's sadder than me, but we can't live in the past.

 

One would hope we might learn from it though.

 

But by all means sack the manager who has always managed to match our expectations when given a full season and appoint a new manager, I'm sure it's likely to be a lot more successful than it was when we appointed Sven, or Sousa, or Holloway, or the six or so before them.

[Guest ttfn]

One would hope we might learn from it though.

But by all means sack the manager who has always managed to match our expectations when given a full season and appoint a new manager, I'm sure it's likely to be a lot more successful than it was when we appointed Sven, or Sousa, or Holloway, or the six or so before them.

Do you think Pearson will match expectations this season and keep us up?

[hackneyfox]

So first it was 'we're not even in the bottom 3', then, 'we're only in the bottom 3 on goal difference', then, 'we're only a point off 17th for fvcks sake' and now its '4 points off 17th with 23 games to play'.

Spot on

[Webbo]

One would hope we might learn from it though.

 

But by all means sack the manager who has always managed to match our expectations when given a full season and appoint a new manager, I'm sure it's likely to be a lot more successful than it was when we appointed Sven, or Sousa, or Holloway, or the six or so before them.

Sometimes changing the manager works, sometimes it doesn't nothing's guaranteed I'll agree but the present arrangements definitely aren't working. A change is required.

[Mark_w]

Do you think Pearson will match expectations this season and keep us up?

 

I think that depends largely on what we do in January, I think we're more likely to stay up with Nigel Pearson than we are if we sack him.

[hackneyfox]

One would hope we might learn from it though.

 

But by all means sack the manager who has always managed to match our expectations when given a full season and appoint a new manager, I'm sure it's likely to be a lot more successful than it was when we appointed Sven, or Sousa, or Holloway, or the six or so before them.

Stop being so scared, if you'd been in charge we'd still have Holloway.

[MC Prussian]

So first it was 'we're not even in the bottom 3', then, 'we're only in the bottom 3 on goal difference', then, 'we're only a point off 17th for fvcks sake' and now its '4 points off 17th with 23 games to play'.

At what point are these excuses going to stop and the realisation that Pearson is not the man to keep us up ram home?

How are they excuses? I am merely painting the picture of the table as it stands.

[Soar Fox]

I don't want Nigel Pearson to leave but I'd rather him go now before the fans turn on him and subject him to vile abuse that he doesn't deserve.

The man took us from our darkest moment to where we are now. He deserves more than 15 games seen as he was the man to get us here.

I can't wait for the next revolving door of players and managers coming in over the coming years.

[Mark_w]

Stop being so scared, if you'd been in charge we'd still have Holloway.

 

No what I don't want is for us to get rid of the first manager in a decade who has overseen any noteworthy progress while manager of Leicester City. I'm not saying we should never sack a manager because we're shit at replacing them, I'm saying we shouldn't get rid of one who has proven himself capable of taking a side out of the division we were languishing in for years prior to coming up this season and spending a, relatively speaking, minute amount of money on improving the squad.

[Monsell1976]

I don't want Nigel Pearson to leave but I'd rather him go now before the fans turn on him and subject him to vile abuse that he doesn't deserve.

The man took us from our darkest moment to where we are now. He deserves more than 15 games seen as he was the man to get us here.

I can't wait for the next revolving door of players and managers coming in over the coming years.

Wether you want him to stay or not mate, he cannot keep the run going and expect to survive.

I don't want him to get abuse, nobody should get abused.

When things are let go, the fans behaviour, and pearson's, it becomes accepted, and will happen more and more, especially if this run drags on.

[Legend_in_blue]

He may as well stay. We'll come back stronger next season. May as well write this season off and spend next season at the top of the league, winning games.

[Livid]

Reasons to be cheerful.

4pts off 17th with 23 games to play

Reasons to be downright miserable.

No win in over 2 months.

Errors which we just seem incapable of not repeating.

The Champions at home and away at one of the leagues in form sides up next.

We had all summer to recruit players when we were on the crest of a wave, who of any quality, in their right mind, is going to join us in January? ?

I can't see a win in December, his time may be up.

[hackneyfox]

No what I don't want is for us to get rid of the first manager in a decade who has overseen any noteworthy progress while manager of Leicester City. I'm not saying we should never sack a manager because we're shit at replacing them, I'm saying we shouldn't get rid of one who has proven himself capable of taking a side out of the division we were languishing in for years prior to coming up this season and spending a, relatively speaking, minute amount of money on improving the squad.

I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong about NFP in the past, he got us promoted (and what a way to do it) which I never thought he'd do.

I just feel that we need to stay in this division, getting relegated and keeping him as manager will not guarantee that we come straight back, after 10 years of hell I want to stay ihn this division and I don't believe Pearson realised just how hard it was going to be, I also don't believe he can turn this awful run around quickly enough.

[MrLuke]

I've been too much of an observer on this forum, but this topic in particular has made me want to speak up.

It's times like this that I'm embarrassed to be a football fan. There's no other sport in the world in which fans are so fickle and full of entitlement, particularly in this country. I want to talk about how we'll turn this around, without going nuclear and taking the easy option of booting the manager out.

Be grateful for what you have at this, frankly effing amazing club, instead of asking for the sacking of a man who has brought us back into the big time for the first time in a decade. It's the negative mentality of fans completely baffles me. I challenge you to go out there and perform at your optimum ability, knowing there are fans out there with no faith in you, waiting for you to slip up just so they can say they were right (and please don't come here saying "I wouldn't care if I was getting paid what they were).

We have just been promoted. We have spent very little on players, and we have retained almost all of a very close-knit group of players; all of which seem to back Pearson. We have a chairman willing to invest time and money into creating a well run football club, and we finally, FINALLY have stability. A few years ago, these are things I could only dream of.

It doesn't take much to begin undoing all of the good things we have.

Give the manager and the players time to right the wrongs, and be happy you were one of the people who knew we could turn it round.

Right, I'll return to the shadows…

[hackneyfox]

He may as well stay. We'll come back stronger next season. May as well write this season off and spend next season at the top of the league, winning games.

Based on what?

How many other teams have bounced straight back?

More teams stay down than come back.

[Monsell1976]

He may as well stay. We'll come back stronger next season. May as well write this season off and spend next season at the top of the league, winning games.

Because that will definitely happen, sorted, let's not worry, we will be back in the prem in no time.

[LCFCCKEANO]

Got to get rid im afraid, Not good enough, whats the point of existing as a club if not to try and stay in best division possible... We are bigger than one man, and it needs changing before it is too late, I love the bloke but it would just be best

[cjslcfc]

Got to get rid im afraid, Not good enough, whats the point of existing as a club if not to try and stay in best division possible... We are bigger than one man, and it needs changing before it is too late, I love the bloke but it would just be best

 

I know it may not look like it but we are trying at the moment!

[Mark_w]

I'll hold my hands up and admit I was wrong about NFP in the past, he got us promoted (and what a way to do it) which I never thought he'd do.

I just feel that we need to stay in this division, getting relegated and keeping him as manager will not guarantee that we come straight back, after 10 years of hell I want to stay ihn this division and I don't believe Pearson realised just how hard it was going to be, I also don't believe he can turn this awful run around quickly enough.

 

And what if it doesn't work? There's a good chance we're going down whatever, whether that's because Nigel underestimated the Prem or the owners weren't willing to invest enough, or we couldn't push deals through, we can only speculate. As we were trying to sign other strikers as well as Ulloa, Pelle for example was linked but obviously there was no chance of us competing, I think Nigel was aware but that deals for one reason or another couldn't be pushed through. And of course now he's going to say the squad is good enough because if they lose their belief we've got **** all left. That's just speculation obviously, but that's all we can do.

 

If we do switch and go down we're back in the Championship with a new manager, we're completely back to square one. Back to the managerial merry-go-round, back to trying to completely rebuild. The risks in the event of us going down with Pearson are much smaller and I think that is worth considering because it's a very real possibility as we've got the second cheapest side in the division. I don't want another decade of shit in the Championship/League One and I think that's highly unlikely under Nigel Pearson.

 

We need to invest in January, that's obvious. Now we could look to someone else to do that, or we could go with the manager who knows the squad he's working with, with a scouting team that actually have a really good record with players they've signed for any sort of fee. Personally I think it makes much more sense to go with Pearson.  In terms of our best chance of staying up, personally, I think that's probably just about Pulis. But even if he does take over and keep us up, he's going to spend millions on turning us into a mid-table side with little prospect of moving further forward, or he's going to keep us up leave and we're back to the managerial merry-go-round and rebuilding once again, or he's going to fail and in that scenario probably leave us without a manager in the Championship with no clue what to do next. In some respects Nigel being unknown in the Premier League, especially with Steve Walsh there as well, is a risk worth taking. We know he's good enough in the Championship to have us fighting to get back up, so there almost certainly wouldn't be a tail slide like last time if we can't stay up, and if he can pull it off then there's genuine reason to believe that we could go further than a Tony Pulis is going to take us.

 

Whatever we do is a gamble, but the risks of gambling on Pearson are a lot less than the risks of returning to the managerial merry-go-round and potentially repeating exactly what happened last time we went out of the Premier League. Plus, I think, the potential return is probably greater under Pearson.

 

Of course I'm personally invested, I've always thought he's a brilliant manager, I enjoy watching his sides play, I enjoy the way he handles himself, I like pretty much everything about him. But trying to be as detached as possible, I think he's the most sensible option to take us forward. Although why we can't be romantic about the decision I don't know, I think it's a shame that that's being taken away.

[Fox92]

He may as well stay. We'll come back stronger next season. May as well write this season off and spend next season at the top of the league, winning games.

 

Based on exactly what though? How many other teams have bounced straight back? And I include ourselves in that. Last time we were relegated we didn't return for another ten years...

[Corky]

Pearson's not clueless, if he was we wouldn't be here, we could well be playing in the cup today against Worcester. He's proved himself in League One and the Championship at getting clubs sorted out and winning games. He's had pressure throughout his time (both spells). But he's struggling at the top level and in many ways is a victim of his own performance given the first five games.

 

We haven't been horrendous all season, we've had a rotten run of dreadful games, bad luck, poor defending and key turning points. After a start where we played with freedom and enjoyment with no pressure on the back of a 100 point title win. Confidence is key, we'd gone 18 months without losing many at all (8 in 57 from Barnsley in April 2013 through to Palace). That is a fantastic run for a club like ourselves. Now we've had a bad run and can't get out of it. Not through lack of effort but quality and basic errors. We're being punished and now, instead of storming back after conceding, are letting goals in soon after scoring. The small margins are hurting us, in some ways this is worse than being battered every week as it would be clear we've got no hope. The fact so many games are tight makes it all the more frustrating.