Guest Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 That's not what FIF said though - what he essentially said is that having a reliable old clogger next to Wes takes a bit of the pressure off Wes - that knowing he's got a reliable player to cover allows him to relax and play his game rather than worrying about trying to play his team mate out of trouble as well. Exactly what I said. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 The real value to this side of Huth is not only Huth.... It's the confidence he's brought both to Morgan and to the back five. Calm, assured, no nonsense, Huth's presence has made quite a dramatic difference to the defensive side of our team. And it's had the desired effect going forward too. Cambiasso looks more confident going forward now, knowing that the defence is more solid. This is a big call but IF we stay up, the loan signing of Huth could be Pearson's best bit of management so far. I think Morgan has stepped up because he's finally in a partnership that makes him feel confident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 Absolutely. Scapegoating at it's best imo. Huth has been very consistent and solid, but Morgan has been by far the stand out defender in the last few games, maybe because he is playing alongside Huth and feels more comfortable. Certain players are set up for scapegoating such as Nugent/Morgan/UIloa/Kasper that when they have good games, few people admit it and when they have poor games our fans are outraged, even labelling players a 'calamity'. I wouldn't say it was scapegoating - it wasn't a case of the odd bad game followed by a fan over-reaction. Wes had a prolonged period this season where everything he touched turned to sh1t. I don't think he always got the benefit of the doubt of making the step up for the first time, but he's looked really vulnerable for much of the season. But, as with Vardy and a couple of others, he seems much more up to speed with the league. It's worth recognising good performances though and I thought he was MotM on Saturday - fantastic performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 I wouldn't say it was scapegoating - it wasn't a case of the odd bad game followed by a fan over-reaction. Wes had a prolonged period this season where everything he touched turned to sh1t. I don't think he always got the benefit of the doubt of making the step up for the first time, but he's looked really vulnerable for much of the season. But, as with Vardy and a couple of others, he seems much more up to speed with the league. It's worth recognising good performances though and I thought he was MotM on Saturday - fantastic performance. Disagree. I think Wes has done pretty well this season. Can't understand the criticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_star Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 Disagree. I think Wes has done pretty well this season. Can't understand the criticism. Thought he had a stinker Vs Liverpool at home, but apart from that he's been a minimum of average and often very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 Thought he had a stinker Vs Liverpool at home, but apart from that he's been a minimum of average and often very good. Disagree. Didn't think he was at fault for either goal that some blamed him for. lallana's goal was Konchesky's fault for falling asleep and letting him get infront of him. Gerrard goal was the midfielders fault for not tracking his run. Wes was stretching to clear it. Not his fault it dropped to an unmarked Gerrard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FourtyFour Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 Dunno if it's been mentioned here before (it probably has) but he's not cut out for this level at all. look at the other teams' centre backs and they're more athletic than our Wes. He's great for the championship mind, but not at this level. If we stay up he has to go if we go down we could get another season out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haydos Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 Dunno if it's been mentioned here before (it probably has) but he's not cut out for this level at all. look at the other teams' centre backs and they're more athletic than our Wes. He's great for the championship mind, but not at this level. If we stay up he has to go if we go down we could get another season out of him. So he could go from first choice in a team that looks likely to stay up to not even being good enough for the squad? Give it a rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 Dunno if it's been mentioned here before (it probably has) but he's not cut out for this level at all. look at the other teams' centre backs and they're more athletic than our Wes. He's great for the championship mind, but not at this level. If we stay up he has to go if we go down we could get another season out of him. Yeah you're right, the top 8's centre halves are much more athletic. But if you're telling me for a minute that Gareth McAuley, Alex Bruce, Mike Williamson, and any other centre half in the bottom half in the bottom half of the prem are significantly better than Wes then you're in a dream world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shailen Posted 27 April 2015 Share Posted 27 April 2015 I wouldn't say it was scapegoating - it wasn't a case of the odd bad game followed by a fan over-reaction. Wes had a prolonged period this season where everything he touched turned to sh1t. I don't think he always got the benefit of the doubt of making the step up for the first time, but he's looked really vulnerable for much of the season. But, as with Vardy and a couple of others, he seems much more up to speed with the league. It's worth recognising good performances though and I thought he was MotM on Saturday - fantastic performance Like I've said I think during weeks 10-20, he wasn't at his best, but I could name numerous players that were not performing either. Only Mahrez and Schlupp looked good during that period for me. I don't agree with the point of adjusting to this league. Morgan alongside many other players were playing brilliantly at the start of the season. But a lack of results, and a loss of confidence is why I believe we weren't performing so well from October-December. Players did not want to take risks and we were too cautious, trying to not lose games instead of trying to win them. But since January, I believe his confidence has come back and he looks like his old self again. Although recently with our winning run, he looks like the same player at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Chelsea - another shocker from Morgan. He's out of his depth in this league. Get rid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankieADZ Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Chelsea - another shocker from Morgan. He's out of his depth in this league. Get rid only playing Chelsea yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 only playing Chelsea yeah. No not just Chelsea, don't be silly. A lot of games. I'm all for loyalty but I don't think that should extend to ignoring the facts. In Morgan's defence someone posted before last night that he was only bad for the game week 10 - 20! Not been good enough, on the whole, all season. What's next? People will claim Konchesky isn't too old and he's quick enough to be a premier league left back? I support ALL of the team at the Stadium, but on here I tell it how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Nige Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Oh look, we lose to Chelsea after a run of 4 wins and some of our best performances of the season. Morgan slips at a corner and all of a sudden the scapegoat threads get bumped. Perspective people. The positive atmosphere around the club and the togetherness of the fans has been crucial in recent weeks. From where I was sat I thought Morgan generally dealt with Drogba well, especially first half. I personally think since Huth has come in Morgan has been more than adequate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Morgan needs Huth Big time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Morgan has been fine when he’s been played in either the 541 or 352 formations. Where he struggled was when we played 442, and he had opposition midfielders streaming through at him game after game. Huth though will be a huge huge loss. If he’s out for 2 or 3 games we could seriously struggle to stay up now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc_star Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Morgan has been fine when he’s been played in either the 541 or 352 formations. Where he struggled was when we played 442, and he had opposition midfielders streaming through at him game after game. Huth though will be a huge huge loss. If he’s out for 2 or 3 games we could seriously struggle to stay up now. That's a midfield issue, nobody picking up midfield runs into our box. Morgan where he supposed to be alongside opposition forwards, then having to dive back across the box when midfielders come past Cambiasso & partner as if they wasn't there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 That's a midfield issue, nobody picking up midfield runs into our box. Morgan where he supposed to be alongside opposition forwards, then having to dive back across the box when midfielders come past Cambiasso & partner as if they wasn't there Well it's a selection issue.... If we're a man short in midfield then the defence is gonna come under extra pressure. Since we've added an extra body in the middle of the pitch we've undoubtedly been a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claridge Posted 30 April 2015 Author Share Posted 30 April 2015 He's been the stand out of the three for a few matches though and even for that people are giving Huth the praise for helping it happen Rubbish. Huth is the reason Morgan's looked ok. Huth goes off Morgan reverts back to type. Morgan has 4 games to concentrate and not switch off like a lot of matches this season. Without Huth I don't think he can but i'd love him to prove all us doubters wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Disagree. I think Wes has done pretty well this season. Can't understand the criticism. Sarcastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Power Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Morgan has been pretty good in the past few weeks. Whether that's down to Huth or not, I guess we might find out on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 That's a midfield issue, nobody picking up midfield runs into our box. Morgan where he supposed to be alongside opposition forwards, then having to dive back across the box when midfielders come past Cambiasso & partner as if they wasn't there You cannot seriously expect our midfield to be a match for some of the world's best, when they cost £2m between them. For me, this 'Calamity Morgan' thing is fair, as its been an ongoing issue throughout the season, and to suggest he's been the standout defender in the last month is absurd. Huth has been a cut above all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Sarcastic? No not at all. Think bar a few games where he struggled (Palace home his worst game for me) he's done fine. Last night he wasnt at his best, but was up against Drogba who along with Fabregas was Chelsea's best player last night. Give him a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claridge Posted 30 April 2015 Author Share Posted 30 April 2015 No not at all. Think bar a few games where he struggled (Palace home his worst game for me) he's done fine. Last night he wasnt at his best, but was up against Drogba who along with Fabregas was Chelsea's best player last night. Give him a break. Still being sarcastic? Morgan's been fine You think those 2 were better than Hazard and Willian? Must be taking the piss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian S Posted 30 April 2015 Share Posted 30 April 2015 Still being sarcastic? Morgan's been fine You think those 2 were better than Hazard and Willian? Must be taking the piss? Hazard was pretty quiet, what were you watching, Willian another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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