Guest Col city fan Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 You're suggesting that your problem is with Leicester fans who are claiming that if you don't support Pearson you're not a fan. But it's the same on both sides, Col is saying exactly the same thing about people who want Pearson to stay. So I don't see why you're just targeting 'Pearsonites', rather than everyone who thinks they have the right to say who is or isn't a supporter. Call me old fashioned. I can't for the life of me see how anyone who supports Leicester City be accepting of such a poor return this season, in favour of Nigel Pearson, the man. That DOES suggest a liking more of Pearson than of the football club. Earlier on you stated he needs to be given time. Well, how long? I've been clear. If we are accepting of relegation, keep him. I can't see any point in changing, if the Thais have factored relegation into their business plan. But if we want the slightest chance of saving our season, after ten bloody years out! Then surely we need a shake up and we need it quickly. Someone to come in with the remit of avoiding relegation and being paid a big bonus if they do, could just work. Keeping Nige, as points demonstrate, isn't working. So how long?
Corky Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 If what happens on the pitch isn't the managers fault why do we employ him? I would say that tactics, set-up, instructions and substitutions are the manager's responsibility. A keeper letting a soft shot through, Schlupp blazing over wildly, Konchesky's backpass last week are all errors that are individual where the player has to take responsibility.
Asha Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 I can't believe what I'm reading sometimes. Pearson is not going to keep us up. He's shown over the last 3 months that he can't turn this form around and we'll be relegated in March without a doubt the way things are going. Why the hell wouldn't we make a change now? Get someone new in, mix it up, give the new man the whole of January to make a few additions and give it a real go for the rest of the season. There's not even any fight amongst the fans any more. 2 points from 39 is an absolute fvcking disaster. I've been an admirer of Pearson for a long time but he clearly doesn't cut it at this level. The club will always be bigger than the man, yet people are saying we should be loyal to Pearson even if he takes us down with a whimper because he *might* do okay next year in the lower division. What an embarrassment of a football club Leicester City is at the moment.
5waller5 Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 How so? As long as fans still need a scalp in the person of the manager every time one or two players let him down? We've had bad spells under Pearson before and people were jumping the bandwagon, calling him all sorts of names. The same people pretty quickly piped down once he had turned it around, only to crawl back from underneath the woodwork now. Isn't it great to know you've always known that things can go wrong at a particular point in time? His players have let him down 13 consecutive games now. Yes during a positive time it would be pretty foolish to criticise the bloke. And personally I've kept off his case for a long time as I thought he was going to come good ..... But now I don't.
Webbo Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 I would say that tactics, set-up, instructions and substitutions are the manager's responsibility. A keeper letting a soft shot through, Schlupp blazing over wildly, Konchesky's backpass last week are all errors that are individual where the player has to take responsibility. Then he should either coach the mistakes out of them or buy better players.
theessexfox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Not a lot more Pearson could've done today, things just didn't go our way, fact remains for me that he is the best man to take this football club forward, whatever division we end up in next year.
Corky Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 A year and a half ago! Things CAN change Mark! Just because a manager finally achieves at Championship level it don't automatically mean he'll do the same at Prem level. Or does it? Genuine question. Do you think it does? You have mentioned getting Mick McCarthy in, who has been involved in three relegations and surviving on goals scored in five years as a Premier League manager. So does it mean he'll do well with us now?
oxfordfox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 How do you get to ten years exactly? You know that our abstinence from the top flight was down to many different reasons, right? Bad management, bad ownership, financial constraints, poor buying and selling policy, lack of fighting spirit, etc. I don't understand how that has anything to do with Pearson, really. But keep on wearing the simplistic goggles. How long are you giving him then, wearing the complex goggles....?
Guest Col city fan Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 You have mentioned getting Mick McCarthy in, who has been involved in three relegations and surviving on goals scored in five years as a Premier League manager. So does it mean he'll do well with us now? No, not a clue. But it's clear we need to shake things up. McCarthy is always a bloke I've admired and is flying with Ipswich. He could bring a couple with him as well.
nettle Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Maybe you want to take some extra courses. What sort of course's about football by any chance? I bow down to your superior knowledge oh great one.
Asha Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 The problem is; if you're McCarthy or Howe, as things stand, you're going to be the manager of a club a division above Leicester next season. Wouldn't exactly be a dream move, would it? I don't have the answer as to who the right man would be to bring in, I'm happy to admit that, I just think it's clear to see that this club is going down, fast, with Pearson at the helm.
Corky Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Then he should either coach the mistakes out of them or buy better players. So no player should ever make a mistake?
MC Prussian Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 But they are the same mistakes repeating themselves. And, as I've said plenty of times before, anything a player does - good or bad - forms a part of all-round performances. We can't start separating some individual errors from the rest of the game and saying 'everything else APART from this, this and this was fine'. After all, our goal and our best chances came from moments of individual brilliance. What if we discounted them? So the fact that two different goalkeepers have made identical errors from set pieces, and that our whole team looks poor in defending and attacking set pieces, should really indicate a shortcoming in our preparation of set pieces, rather than purely a bunch of individuals who tend to make lots of errors in these situations in a fashion which is beyond their coaches' control. As I see it, all of the reasons posters and pundits come up with for our form, and - within that - for our players failing individually to deliver, fall into four categories: Are our players good enough? Is our confidence shot? Is there a flaw in our coaching and match preparation? Are errors being made in our match-day management? Is this the worst set of players in the division? In terms of ability, no. We were a much better side than QPR and Burnley last year, and neither moved mountains in the summer. Our individuals were better than theirs a few months ago and, while neither QPR nor Burnley are good PL teams, it's unlikely that they have suddenly become a lot better since. So it's not purely down to those individuals making errors because they aren't good enough. And even if it were, as some people keep reminding us, he signed them and he selects them. Or maybe it's just because of confidence that we keep slipping up? In which case you look for your manager to draw on his inspirational qualities to lift you. That hasn't happened yet. Is it our coaching that's to blame? In some cases, it looks like it is. So Pearson has to take his share of the blame. Or is it our game management? Persisting with accident-prone players, being slow to make changes, playing counter-productive systems... maybe these can all contribute to an individual making awful errors? If so, that's the manager's job, again. And all of these accusations have been quite reasonably levelled at Pearson. Even today, there were some reasonable question marks over our staff's decision making in the game and the build-up to it. Whatever the reason for us losing today, and ten of the twelve games before that, it will have a lot more to do with the manager - who takes responsibility for his players' performances - than it will to luck. You don't get unlucky every single game for an entire third of the season and, with that in mind, it would be daft to pass off today as a bit of raw fortune. We should, or Pearson should, stop bemoaning our bad luck and look instead for real, concrete reasons for these same silly mistakes repeating themselves. If you keep on making mistakes in your job, are you accepting them as your mistakes? Or do you blame your supervisor? You keep on drumming about our squad being better than QPR's and Burnley's last season. We were pretty much even for two thirds of the campaign and only a late surge helped us put a distance between us and the chasing pack. How can you still not see that we're exposed to a much better, high-quality opposition now in the Premier League? This team managed to be so convincing last season not only because the playoff experiences had made them stronger and allowed them to adopt to the league and promotion push better than anyone else. They had learnt from their mistakes. We are now back in the top flight for the first time in ten whopping years, surely you can't expect us to walk this? Yes, the points amassed over the past dozen games or so are laughable. But like I've said many, many times - in each and every game, another player has to be the culprit and come up with a clanger. Just as much as we had to learn to beat teams the hard way in the Championship, the players only learn to get better once they're allowed to make mistakes. The downside is that this is the Premier League where you are faced with arguably the best wingers/attacking forces in the world, there's fewer games to correct the course and some of our fans are equally as unforgiving. Today, we were as unlucky not to score more than one goal. Luck or the lack thereof plays a major part in football, alongside dedication and application.
Stan Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Nope. This is PearsonTalk mate ..... Anything negative about the mighty Championship manager will not be tolerated. We've got 2 points from 39 for goodness sake ..... That's 2 more than we should be allowed to expect. Some people have such delusions of grandeur!!! No one's happy with our form, but don't imply that no one dare post anything critical of Pearson.
Raj Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Look at the table. Its fooking embarrassing. We can moan all we want about lack of luck,missed chances,individual errors etc...We are a fooking embarrassment...repeat an embarrassing mess of a team. If we lose to hull id love the owners to make a decision.
MC Prussian Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 How long are you giving him then, wearing the complex goggles....? At least this season (and another one in the Championship, if need be). Whom would you appoint instead? And how would you justify your choice?
BigMicky Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Look at the table. Its fooking embarrassing. We can moan all we want about lack of luck,missed chances,individual errors etc...We are a fooking embarrassment...repeat an embarrassing mess of a team. If we lose to hull id love the owners to make a decision. Says who? Your mates down the pub?? No one within the game is claiming it.. You really are a drama queen.
Corky Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 No, not a clue. But it's clear we need to shake things up. McCarthy is always a bloke I've admired and is flying with Ipswich. He could bring a couple with him as well. He comes into the category you speak about, great in the Championship, struggled in the Premier League. He'll probably, should he go up, be in Pearson's position next December with fans on his back.
Webbo Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 So no player should ever make a mistake? It's every week. Call it an individual mistake, bad luck whatever, nothing seems to change.
tickler28 Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 You start it .... I'm also interested (there must have been a swing since the last 6 points dropped) No idea .... I don't check!!! Can't find the option on Foxestalk mobile
teblin Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Managers quite often get the sack when they seem to have lost the dressing room. From today's performance he hasn't. But we can't keep losing else the owners will have no choice.
MC Prussian Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 What sort of course's about football by any chance? I bow down to your superior knowledge oh great one. A course in realism, for a start.
Dickov22 Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 Its becoming so difficult to defend Pearson. 2 points from 39 - would any other manager survive that? I can't see us making a change now and even if we did, no manager would keep this side up. The mistakes were made over the summer. Its too late now I can almost accept losing in the way we did today because we played very well, and all the lads are giving their all. However, most if not all of the other games we've lost, we've fully deserved to.
oxfordfox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 At least this season (and another one in the Championship, if need be). Whom would you appoint instead? And how would you justify your choice? I have said before we should bring Pulis in. But it's likely too late now. And contrary to the 'simplistic' view, Pulis played short passing fast counter-attacking football at Palace last season.
Happy Fox Posted 26 December 2014 Posted 26 December 2014 The only viable short term solution would be Pulis I don't give a shit about his managerial style he is a far sight better manager than NP is at this level.
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