cc_star Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Neither would be cheap buddy. Ipswich are going for promotion for example.Fees aren't the issue, wages are... This can be mitigated by high bonuses and or release clausesThe problem isn't how many pound notes we're going to lose or not, but the player's mentality when you make these sorts of signings For eg. Sven's expensively assembled Championship 'All-Star' lineup folded at the first sign of trouble, much like QPR's relegation team Pearson's team haven't identified many mentally weak players in his 5 years with the club so I'll be surprised if that starts now
kingfox Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Go for a few out of favour players, maybe dip into the Championship, get some loanees & get in the main man Castaignos before Derby do.
foxinsocks Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 The best centre forward who came to the King Power last years was Ulloa. I think we need a striker with experience in the prem (we can't bet the farm on someone who may not step up).. McGoldrick was and still is always putting him self up for sale (I expect it is his agent).
Leicester_Numan Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 The problem if we spend big on fees and wages comes in if we're relegated. We'll find ourselves in a position of either having to get rid of a load of players we can't afford even with parachute payments or going down the QPR route and disregarding FFP, ending up with a massive fine on promotion or worse, a transfer embargo if we stay down. Overspending, gambling on staying up is what causes clubs to bog down for years after relegation. I'd rather we continued with the sensible, prudent, slow build process. If we're relegated with what we have now plus some decent additions next month, we're in a pretty strong position to bounce back. Probably the strongest we've ever been in. I don't own the club though, it's the owners money, it's their decision and their risk
Guest Bilo Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 At this point, we may not have a choice. I think we need the following: Left back Centre half with a bit of pace Winger (especially with Mahrez and Schlupp off to the ACON) Striker Defoe is all but begging to come back to England during the MLS close season. A loan deal could just about get us out of the shit if he's fit and firing. Martin Olsson is a proven Premier League and international left back who wouldn't cost the earth from Norwich. Borini made the difference for Sunderland last season, surely a loan deal there would be worth a punt given he's struggling to get into the Liverpool team?
Bettsj2 Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Just go ****ing mental, we've been patient enough. This. Enough fvcking around. You want to stay up then you have to buy quality and if you want to buy quality, then pay the fvcking money. If Nige wants Defoe, pay him £80k a week and watch the goals fly in. If anyone's nose gets put out of joint, fvck em. Our survival is whats important.
pleatout Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 The only players that are out there and are cheep are players from the lower leagues who want to make a name for themselves, Callum Wilson springs to mind, or David mcoldrick. These are the sort of players who would bust a gut to prove themselves IMO. Matt Sparrow - Scunthorpe? Jack Finch - Coventry? Anyone from the Las Palmas, Tenerife or Norwich?
cc_star Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 The problem if we spend big on fees and wages comes in if we're relegated. We'll find ourselves in a position of either having to get rid of a load of players we can't afford even with parachute payments or going down the QPR route and disregarding FFP, ending up with a massive fine on promotion or worse, a transfer embargo if we stay down. Overspending, gambling on staying up is what causes clubs to bog down for years after relegation. I'd rather we continued with the sensible, prudent, slow build process. If we're relegated with what we have now plus some decent additions next month, we're in a pretty strong position to bounce back. Probably the strongest we've ever been in. I don't own the club though, it's the owners money, it's their decision and their risk Why, tiered wages depending on division is pretty standard, if QPR didn't do that then that's their problem. Load wages in favour of survival bonuses Have release clauses should a club bid for them if we're down All quite simple and nothing that should effect the sustainability of our club if we're relegated
RowlattsFox Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Centre back, left back and an attaching midfielder who could play on both wings and behind the striker. Those 3 positions as a priority.
st albans fox Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I fear it's going to be too late and the pragmatic approach will be to make sure we have a squad that should be able to come straight back up. No prima donnas and keep the spirit we had last season. signing quality on the basis that they can leave if we go down may not work as if no one wants them, we have to pay off their contracts. They won't come on a short term deal. Why should they. If we are able to secure real quality in Central defence, up front and full back then go for it. Three decent players away from safety but they have to come in early jan. We will need to find at least 23 points from the second half of the season. Relegation is a huge risk. It's up to the owners - I reckon we have at least 30 mill to spend in jan if we want to without it being crazy due to the debt being wiped last year. Like I said, if the owners are prepaid to take the risk that they will have to bankroll the consequences of relegation then fine. The only thing I cannot accept is buying players that don't have PL class. Please - no one that wants to 'prove' themselves at this level. Too late for that approach.
Bunyip Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Even if they gave Nigel millions to spend in January, who the hell is going to put their careers on the line by coming to the bottom club with nothing but championship players around you and a manager who is now proven not capable of managing at this level ? Come on people it's not going to happen. Their agents get a bloody good living off the players backs what agent is going to tell his premiership standard player to come to us in our present situation ? NONE. We have to accept that we are going down and that Pearson's gamble blew up in his face. Deep in our hearts we knew in the close season that the team was not good enough to stop up , it's a pity that the man who should have seen this coming did not see what most of us could see then. All this talk about parachute payments as if it's some sort of get out of jail monopoly card is just nonsense. It made no difference to all those other cubs that went down did it ? how many bounced straight back up ? The whole club needs re structuring if the owners are serious about us being a Premiership outfit, and that starts with getting a manager capable of managing at this level and attracting the players good enough to do the job. They have to stop thinking small time and put their business knowledge and their money where their mouths are and do it starting now.
reynard Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 How much have Hull Spent? Has it done them any good? It isn't just about throwing money at the problems it is about getting the quality to go with it. Unless we can somehow muster 4 points from the next two games it will be too late in any case. Also the number of players required is more than can probably be signed in one month given how long things need to get sorted. We need a centre half, a creative midfielder, two strikers and a really good defensive midfielder. And that's just the bare minimum required.
katieakita Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Even if they gave Nigel millions to spend in January, who the hell is going to put their careers on the line by coming to the bottom club with nothing but championship players around you and a manager who is now proven not capable of managing at this level ? Come on people it's not going to happen. Their agents get a bloody good living off the players backs what agent is going to tell his premiership standard player to come to us in our present situation ? NONE. We have to accept that we are going down and that Pearson's gamble blew up in his face. Deep in our hearts we knew in the close season that the team was not good enough to stop up , it's a pity that the man who should have seen this coming did not see what most of us could see then. All this talk about parachute payments as if it's some sort of get out of jail monopoly card is just nonsense. It made no difference to all those other cubs that went down did it ? how many bounced straight back up ? The whole club needs re structuring if the owners are serious about us being a Premiership outfit, and that starts with getting a manager capable of managing at this level and attracting the players good enough to do the job. They have to stop thinking small time and put their business knowledge and their money where their mouths are and do it starting now. Money where their mouths are, so how much of their own wad does that take £100 million +, they look plenty committed to me and the removal of the DOF suggests the manager didn't get in who he wanted, if they thought the squad was against him and we were getting hammered week in week out he would have gone by now, lets see who is lined up for Jan, as for players not wanting to come, if they have so little faith in their own ability that they wouldn't make a difference personally wouldn't want them here anyway.
Steve Earle Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Agree with much of what's been said - ideally we need a CB with pace and premiership nous, a LB ditto, a number 10, a winger and as much as anything, a striker who's played at this level (not a championship hopeful). Somehow can't see five new signings when we only made two (of significance) in the summer window.
The Doctor Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Even if they gave Nigel millions to spend in January, who the hell is going to put their careers on the line by coming to the bottom club with nothing but championship players around you and a manager who is now proven not capable of managing at this level ? Come on people it's not going to happen. Their agents get a bloody good living off the players backs what agent is going to tell his premiership standard player to come to us in our present situation ? NONE. We have to accept that we are going down and that Pearson's gamble blew up in his face. Deep in our hearts we knew in the close season that the team was not good enough to stop up , it's a pity that the man who should have seen this coming did not see what most of us could see then. All this talk about parachute payments as if it's some sort of get out of jail monopoly card is just nonsense. It made no difference to all those other cubs that went down did it ? how many bounced straight back up ? The whole club needs re structuring if the owners are serious about us being a Premiership outfit, and that starts with getting a manager capable of managing at this level and attracting the players good enough to do the job. They have to stop thinking small time and put their business knowledge and their money where their mouths are and do it starting now. no we didn't you tool - most said the squad should be good enough with a few sensible additions, after how we waltzed the league last season. Anyway, break the bank, no, but loosen the purse strings more than we did in the summer - if we want to stay up we need to realistically
Bunyip Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Money where their mouths are, so how much of their own wad does that take £100 million +, they look plenty committed to me and the removal of the DOF suggests the manager didn't get in who he wanted, if they thought the squad was against him and we were getting hammered week in week out he would have gone by now, lets see who is lined up for Jan, as for players not wanting to come, if they have so little faith in their own ability that they wouldn't make a difference personally wouldn't want them here anyway. The removable of Robinson is just a red herring, a sop to Cerberus , nothing more. If as you speculate Pearson was not happy with not getting who he wanted in the summer then he should have told the owners as much and if he did do that then the owners are to blame for not backing him with the right amount of cash. You don't have to be inspector Frost to work that one out.
Bunyip Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 no we didn't you tool - most said the squad should be good enough with a few sensible additions, after how we waltzed the league last season. Anyway, break the bank, no, but loosen the purse strings more than we did in the summer - if we want to stay up we need to realistically Well when I said " most" I obviously did not include " Tools " like you. Anyone with half a footballing brain would have told you that the so called summer signings were straight out of the charity shop and the bargain bucket at Wilko's . And after we waltz the league last season how come we are below Burnley and Q.P.R then ? ---------Tool.
The Doctor Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Well when I said " most" I obviously did not include " Tools " like you. Anyone with half a footballing brain would have told you that the so called summer signings were straight out of the charity shop and the bargain bucket at Wilko's . And after we waltz the league last season how come we are below Burnley and Q.P.R then ? ---------Tool. Most agreed we had a squad capable of stepping up last season, most agreed that we should be ok and just needed a few sensible additions. Up until the end of october questions about recruitment weren't even being raised. You can act like you're ahead of the curve, you were the stopped clock.
MooseBreath Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 I think we can improve the team significantly with one or two good signings in specific positions. I'd be included to prioritise a LB and a LW and hope Upson can improve central defence. It won't be easy to get the right players in and there will be a price to pay. But we've got a managerial team capable of making good signings, and plenty oof premiership TV money that we haven't touched yet. I wouldn't want to see us going overboard on contract durations and wages - relegation clauses should see to that anyway - but I think it's worth spending some money on transfer fees if we need to. Hopefully Pearson and Shakey have got a couple of gems ready to pull out of the bag. Even a couple of loans could make a huge difference. There must be some serious talent for our level currently not getting a game at big clubs across Europe.
5waller5 Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 "Breaking" the bank suggests wrecklessness leading to disaster. We spend big in a calculated risk to stay up. I would call that breaking the bank, I'd call it investing in the business when it needs doing!
Dawko Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 Do the owners want to stay in the Premier League or not? If, as I suspect, they do then they will know that they will have to spend some money. It is not as if they are short of a few bob. This is Leicester City not bloody Exeter City
roger the dodger Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 go for it Nigel don.t give a shit how much it costs i don.t want to go back to the championship
Stuliasz Posted 14 December 2014 Posted 14 December 2014 We should spend what we can to strengthen in the positions we are weak without compromising the future of the club in any way. I'd rather get relegated than see us in any financial jeopardy.
Dan Posted 15 December 2014 Posted 15 December 2014 Just spend whatever necessary to improve us as a team as long as it can be sustained. You budget for the worst case scenario. If we can afford to spend £20mil and go down then by all means do it if we need to. By 'break the bank' I assume you mean do a QPR, which is basically just spend every single penny you can get away with regardless of if you have it or not and when it inevitably goes tits up you pay a bigger price than you do if you'd have spent sensibly - unless you're QPR who just get stupidly lucky all of the time.
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