ADK Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11375667/Men-must-prove-a-woman-said-Yes-under-tough-new-rape-rules.html Hmm.
Bellend Sebastian Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 This is going to make the casual sex I never have potentially more tricky
Guest MattP Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 What an absolutely frightening read, I remember the days in this country when you were innocent until proven guilty.
AKCJ Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 That's disgusting. How about a woman also has to prove she said no before potentially ruining an innocent man's life.
Kitchandro Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 What? I thought it was going to go the other way so that they had to prove a woman was completely paralytic. Is everyone going to have to video tape a woman with her hand on the bible saying she wants to have sex with someone?
Benji Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Can't really tell from the article as it's not particularly clear but it seems to me to be guidance to the police/prosecutors in assessing whether to charge/prosecute someone rather than causing a change in the law. Doesn't seem to be changing any burden of proof in the actual case itself, although there is reference to the jury which blurs things a little. The cynical side of me always wonders about this kind of thing anyway as I'm sure a lot of jurors just think guilty or not guilty without worrying about burdens of proof etc.
leicsmac Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Can't really tell from the article as it's not particularly clear but it seems to me to be guidance to the police/prosecutors in assessing whether to charge/prosecute someone rather than causing a change in the law. Doesn't seem to be changing any burden of proof in the actual case itself, although there is reference to the jury which blurs things a little. The cynical side of me always wonders about this kind of thing anyway as I'm sure a lot of jurors just think guilty or not guilty without worrying about burdens of proof etc. This. Interesting stat at the bottom there - less than 1 in 5 rapes are reported to the police, less than 1 in 25 go to court, and less than 1 in 80 actually get a conviction. Bet that's a bit lower than most other crimes that merit that much jail time.
David Guiza Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 I doubt that the legal burden of proof would change, seeing as it's in the Declaration of Human Rights, the European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and the United Nations International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. Can't see that the average man has a great deal to worry about.
ScouseFox Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 "how could she possibly say no to this?" is gonna be my defence
ADK Posted 29 January 2015 Author Posted 29 January 2015 This. Interesting stat at the bottom there - less than 1 in 5 rapes are reported to the police, less than 1 in 25 go to court, and less than 1 in 80 actually get a conviction. Bet that's a bit lower than most other crimes that merit that much jail time. There's a flaw in those figures though.
Fox92 Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Exhibit A. Homemade consent form which she has signed.
RonnieTodger Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Jesus, after the uncertainty surrounding the Ched Evans case report, I thought this would go the other way. Scary stuff.
leicsmac Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 There's a flaw in those figures though. Which is?
Guest MattP Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 This. Interesting stat at the bottom there - less than 1 in 5 rapes are reported to the police, less than 1 in 25 go to court, and less than 1 in 80 actually get a conviction. Bet that's a bit lower than most other crimes that merit that much jail time. And solving the issue of that isn't to start throwing innocent men in prison just for statistics.
Unabomber Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 How you meant to prove it, like in a snapchat story or something?
johnny the fox Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 This is why I'm sticking to my doll...she always says yes, and she understands me.
ScouseFox Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 How you meant to prove it, like in a snapchat story or something? trust me she said yes
yorkie1999 Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Bad idea, so open to blackmail. What's to stop a woman who wants a divorce crying rape when she wants to fleece the bloke. All she has to do is say if you don't give me everything i'll tell the police you raped me and you can't prove you didn't.
ScouseFox Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Bad idea, so open to blackmail. What's to stop a woman who wants a divorce crying rape when she wants to fleece the bloke. All she has to do is say if you don't give me everything i'll tell the police you raped me and you can't prove you didn't. moral of the story don't get married
leicsmac Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 And solving the issue of that isn't to start throwing innocent men in prison just for statistics. Agreed, but as has been said the burden of proof is not shifting in the courts here. This is a police guideline modification, it doesn't look like it has anything to do with the courtroom process. Bad idea, so open to blackmail. What's to stop a woman who wants a divorce crying rape when she wants to fleece the bloke. All she has to do is say if you don't give me everything i'll tell the police you raped me and you can't prove you didn't. See above.
Leicesterpool Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Does the same rule apply if a woman rapes a man?
David Guiza Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Bad idea, so open to blackmail. What's to stop a woman who wants a divorce crying rape when she wants to fleece the bloke. All she has to do is say if you don't give me everything i'll tell the police you raped me and you can't prove you didn't. 'Men accused of date rape will need to convince police that a woman consented to sex as part of a major change in the way sex offences are investigated.' As others have said, it's about how the situations are investigated by the police, nothing about the law or the courts. And i'd imagine in almost every case it'll be relating to a drunken one night stand, as opposed to any nutjob with a vendeta agaisnt somebody.
Benji Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 Does the same rule apply if a woman rapes a man? I'm pretty sure by definition that's not possible.
Unabomber Posted 29 January 2015 Posted 29 January 2015 I'm pretty sure by definition that's not possible. Trust me it is.
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