cc_star Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Most would've taken a point before the game, but it will certainly feel like 2pts lost after Upson's late OG Aside from that, it would've been a good performance stifling Everton to nothing of note whatsoever until Simpson's poor decision making lead to Everton's opener, which forced Nigel's hand in substitutions This however showed us a greater energy going forward than we had with Kram leading the attack and and a badly out of sorts (2nd game running) Mahrez & Schlupp supporting him. The team plays better and at a higher tempo when Nugent plays, but he doesn't really fit into that formation with Kram leading the line It makes sense for Nugent to do all the hard work & running and Kram to be the one coming off the bench later on as games become more stretched and defenders maybe don't track him so keenly. That, in addition to Simpson & Schwarzer not being allowed anywhere near the first 11 should being home some more points Only downside is that our biggest threats are wide men joining the lone striker in attack, but Mahrez woeful for 2nd game in a row and Schlupp is just so wasteful it really costs us and costs us in every single game. I do wonder how he draws a wage in return for that contribution every single week barring a once in a blue moon Liverpool (a) type performance I've felt Upson has been ok since stepping in, but he was so far off the pace on every Everton attack it was suicidal, his OG was the result of Lukaku finding a yard on him, but there was so many other occasions where his glacial pace (not helped by Konch being just as slow alongside him) really put us under unnecessary problems Hamer RDL Was Huth Wes Schlupp Albrighton James Cambiasso Mahrez Nugent Kram coming off the bench once Nuge has put a shift in
shailen Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 If before the game anyone would have thought about dropping Mahrez or Schlupp this place would have gone berserk. Morgan was the only one in that team people wanted out, and for me him and Cambiasso were our best players. He picked the right team and made the right changes. Individual mistakes yet again cost us the three points, although it's a bit harsh to blame anyone today, we were excellent. Nevertheless, we have to stop conceding soft goals
st albans fox Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 At home, we should be able to play wing backs (Jeff and Richie) with three in the middle - (MJ/EC/DD/DH) choose three and I would be inclined to make Hammond one of them. Krama and Leo or nuge up top - I would think about krama behind now he seems to have found his fitness. Ideally would be Leo furthest forward with nuge able to come on when krama knackered. Notice no riyad - he seems to need a rest to me.
Fox92 Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 We cannot persist with one up front because the striker has no support. I respect your posts cc_star and you come over as a good poster to me, but you've dropped Kramaric there. Why? He did nothing wrong today, in fact, he did all he could do. He's obviously very talented and very skillful but he needs support - whether that's in the form of Nugent, Vardy or Ulloa. If Pearson wants to play five at the back then fine. But we need to play wing backs, not two full backs then two wingers. Vardy and Nugent did more much than Mahrez and Schlupp today, and when they came on we were pressing Everton and they weren't comfortable with that. We sit back and invite pressure playing 541. Ok, play that formation at Arsenal/Chelsea/Manchester City but not at places like Villa and Everton.
Spicer Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Schwazer made another mistake. I thought Upson and Konchensky were suspect today, to often they played somebody onside allowing Everton in behind. I think that De Laet would suit this formation honestly. Wing backs are needed with 5 at the back.
Crinklyfox Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 I wasn't surprised at the formation but was surprised that Was had been dropped. I also half expected Simpson and Schwarzer to be on the bench after Villa. I was amazed when he took off Mahrez and Schlupp for Vardy and Nugent but it worked. We need to have some defensive cover in midfield IMO, Cambiasso was good in there but without him we needed a bit more strength - perhaps Hammond on the bench next time?
MooseBreath Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 If before the game anyone would have thought about dropping Mahrez or Schlupp this place would have gone berserk. Morgan was the only one in that team people wanted out, Not really. Schwarzer and Simpson both regularly get calls to be dropped. Albrighton has had his own threads full of people wondering how Schlupp gets in ahead of him. It was the usual suspects with the same poor performances again today unfortunately. Tactics worked well. Kramaric was involved plenty and would have been more so had Schlupp and Mahrez not been so poor.
MooseBreath Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 We cannot persist with one up front because the striker has no support. I respect your posts cc_star and you come over as a good poster to me, but you've dropped Kramaric there. Why? He did nothing wrong today, in fact, he did all he could do. He's obviously very talented and very skillful but he needs support - whether that's in the form of Nugent, Vardy or Ulloa. If Pearson wants to play five at the back then fine. But we need to play wing backs, not two full backs then two wingers. Vardy and Nugent did more much than Mahrez and Schlupp today, and when they came on we were pressing Everton and they weren't comfortable with that. We sit back and invite pressure playing 541. Ok, play that formation at Arsenal/Chelsea/Manchester City but not at places like Villa and Everton. Vardy and Nugent played in exactly the same positions as Schlupp and Mahrez. They created the same amount of chances, only difference was that thanks to some really poor goalkeeping we were able to put them away. We can't play wing backs because we don't have one wing back who is remotely good enough for that role never mind two. We can't play two at the back because well, just look at the league table. This formation is the least worst option, it gets the best out of a very limited set of players.
WardyisPukka Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Cannot persist with 2 CM's and making Cambiasso and James do ten times the amount of work their supposed to do! Time to go either 4-4-2 or 4-3-3
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 The amount of times Simpson was playing in their half today makes me think we desperately need someone who can affect the game in an attacking way better than he does.
AKCJ Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 I think, for home games, we should go with; Hamer De Laet Wasilewski Huth Konchesky James Hammond Mahrez CambiassoSchlupp Kramaric
Stan Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Schwazer made another mistake. I thought Upson and Konchensky were suspect today, to often they played somebody onside allowing Everton in behind. I think that De Laet would suit this formation honestly. Wing backs are needed with 5 at the back. Please enlighten me? The first goal?
theessexfox Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 I'd go for: Keeper RDL Was Wes Huth Konchesky Mahrez James Cambiasso Schlupp Kramaric With Nugent and Vardy and Albrighton on the bench to be able to change things.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Please enlighten me? The first goal? This. On his heels, shot to near post, rolls over the line, no deflection - he stands and watches from 4 ft away, no dive. Another player to add to the too old category. It's ok though our manager accepts mistakes - only from the over 30s though, for reasons only known to himself.
Stan Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 This. On his heels, shot to near post, rolls over the line, no deflection - he stands and watches from 4 ft away, no dive. Another player to add to the too old category. It's ok though our manager accepts mistakes - only from the over 30s though, for reasons only known to himself. I'm sorry but to blame him for not getting to a scuffed shot like that is harsh. Neither Hamer or Schmeichel is going to save that
Westerby Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 With 5 mins to go if ( as seems likely ) Cambiasso was feeling the pace, tightening the defence by bringing Was on rather than a midfielder who is short of match practice would have been a fair option. Was could still have gone forward if needed.
st albans fox Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Disagree - we were too deep and static. We needed players infront of the defenders to pick up the runners and press the ball. may sound odd but we might have been better changing a centre half for a midfielder because they were still only playing lukaku down the middle on his own.
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 I think, for home games, we should go with; Hamer De Laet Wasilewski Huth Konchesky James Hammond Mahrez CambiassoSchlupp Kramaric The wide men. Can't agree with that. Schlupp generally useless - yes he has done the odd thing right during the season - but a broken clock is right twice a day. Again had two or three chances set up for him today - one a sitter - and missed them. Mahrez, very good player in the making, but does not deliver enough in terms of final ball or goals. Doesn't get to the byeline enough or create as much as he promises. Poor today - looks out of form, but Nige likes out of form players. Vardy looked back to his best in the little time he was on the pitch, and was the game changer today, direct and set up both goals. He should start on that basis. NP should have started the game on the front foot. He's too negative, and that does not play to our strengths. Only when attacking did we look decent or like the team of last season Wrong tactics and too many out of form players employed today. Same old Nige, and a draw not what was required
Oxfordfox83 Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 No, wrong formation, wrong personnel.How?
kingfox Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 I'd like to see a 3-5-2 instead of 5-4-1. There were time today where I thought we needed De Laet's pace, Hammond closing down & getting stuck in and Kramaric with a bit of support. Hamer Morgan Huth Wasilewski De Laet James Cambiasso Mahrez(Bit further forward) Schlupp Kramaric Ulloa/Nugent
Claridge Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Most would've taken a point before the game, but it will certainly feel like 2pts lost after Upson's late OG Aside from that, it would've been a good performance stifling Everton to nothing of note whatsoever until Simpson's poor decision making lead to Everton's opener, which forced Nigel's hand in substitutions This however showed us a greater energy going forward than we had with Kram leading the attack and and a badly out of sorts (2nd game running) Mahrez & Schlupp supporting him. The team plays better and at a higher tempo when Nugent plays, but he doesn't really fit into that formation with Kram leading the line It makes sense for Nugent to do all the hard work & running and Kram to be the one coming off the bench later on as games become more stretched and defenders maybe don't track him so keenly. That, in addition to Simpson & Schwarzer not being allowed anywhere near the first 11 should being home some more points Only downside is that our biggest threats are wide men joining the lone striker in attack, but Mahrez woeful for 2nd game in a row and Schlupp is just so wasteful it really costs us and costs us in every single game. I do wonder how he draws a wage in return for that contribution every single week barring a once in a blue moon Liverpool (a) type performance I've felt Upson has been ok since stepping in, but he was so far off the pace on every Everton attack it was suicidal, his OG was the result of Lukaku finding a yard on him, but there was so many other occasions where his glacial pace (not helped by Konch being just as slow alongside him) really put us under unnecessary problems Hamer RDL Was Huth Wes Schlupp Albrighton James Cambiasso Mahrez Nugent Kram coming off the bench once Nuge has put a shift in Nugent to start instead of kramaric and ulloa? Most stupid thing I've ever read.he,s doing a good job as sub ,but he's no starter in front of those
st albans fox Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 I'd like to see a 3-5-2 instead of 5-4-1. There were time today where I thought we needed De Laet's pace, Hammond closing down & getting stuck in and Kramaric with a bit of support. Hamer Morgan Huth Wasilewski De Laet James Cambiasso Mahrez(Bit further forward) Schlupp Kramaric Ulloa/Nugent Attacking midfielder (Riyad) behind two forwards? Leaves us two in midfield and with wing backs, I fear we would leave too much space in behind. If you played DD in that position I'd be happier.
Ricey Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Morgan and Schwarzer shouldn't be in the team, so yes, wrong personnel. Wrong formation also though. I could understand if it was shoring us up at the back, but it's not. We've conceded 6 in 3 since changing to 5 at the back and Everton, particularly in the second half, consistently found gaps and spaces within the line that shouldn't have been there. The problem we have is the quality of defenders to choose from. They are all prone to mistakes and errors, regardless of how many there are. We need wins. 541 will keep us in games and avoid thrashing a but that isn't what we need. We need to go at teams more and look to keep hold of the ball for longer periods. We sign a proven finisher and then go all defensive. I'd love to see this team, but I don't think I ever will: Hamer Simpson Upson/Wasyl Huth Konchesky Cambiasso James Drinkwater Mahrez Schlupp Kramaric
Father Ted Posted 22 February 2015 Posted 22 February 2015 Why can't we play a 3-5-2? Seems completely ideal. We can still play 3 at the back. De Laet/Albrighton on the right and Schlupp on the left who are made for that position. Whilst also having 3 in midfield with the option of Cambiasso, James + Hammond/Drinkwater or either Mahrez/Nugent dropping deep whilst still having two up top (or again you can play Nugent/Mahrez in behind either Ulloa/Vardy/Kramaric). So much more flexible and fluid than a rigid 5-4-1 that we've been playing and also shifts the donkeys that are Simpson and Konchesky out of the team.
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