Dan Posted 28 May 2015 Posted 28 May 2015 Can't argue with a word of that. Whole-heartedly thankful as a football fan for what she's doing.
fleckneymike Posted 28 May 2015 Posted 28 May 2015 I think we're all guilty of applying moral judgements to an amoral process. Morality wont rid FIFA of Blatter, morality wont make sponsors drop out, morality won't convince FIFA delegates to abandon Blatter. Federations get their money from Blatter, Blatter gets his money from FIFA, FIFA get their money from sponsors. FIFA is set up in a paradoxically demoncratic and corrupt fashion. 1 member, 1 vote. If you happen to be in the less financially 'secure' federations you need FIFA, if you're in UEFA you don't so can be more 'moral' in your judgement (though UEFA would gladly take the lions share of money as they feel they are owed it) whereas CONCACAF, COMENBOL, OCEANA benefit from FIFAs generosity so back anyone who backs them irrespectve of their suitability. This means that demoncracy has **** all to do with voting, money does. Lets get sponsors to bring Blatter down! One small problem... As a brand FIFA is toxic, as a brand 'football' is not. Sponsors know we don't associate them with FIFA, we just associate them with football. We don't really associate them with the World Cup, we just notice that their adverts are present at the matches but don't think why their sponsoship boards are present. They reap the benefit of being at the World Cup but suffer non of the baggage of the World Cup. FIFA gets the money from sponsors, which means we get a World Cup, sponsors get the money from customers who watch the World Cup. Everyone wins, everyone loses. Blatter will most likely win an absolute landslide tomorrow.
lgfualol Posted 28 May 2015 Posted 28 May 2015 All countries in the running for world cup 2018/2022 should be refunded for what was spent promoting their world cup bid. Qatar probably won it years before 2010, same with Russia.
act smiley Posted 28 May 2015 Posted 28 May 2015 I wouldn't have thought so - if you're trying to make as much money as possible from selling a vote then that would leave plenty of unprofitable time that could have been spent receiving more brown envelopes, if you'd remained open to changing your mind if larger payments came along.
Guest Bilo Posted 28 May 2015 Posted 28 May 2015 I know what would be radical - a UEFA organised rival tournament taking place in the same year as the FIFA gig. Imagine the message to the world - Germany, Spain, England, France et al aren't going to Qatar, but they are going to a rival tournament in Spain or England. I'd bet everything I own on USA, Australia, Brazil and Argentina wanting to do a summer tournament in Europe with UEFA's finest over a winter tournament in the Middle East, and with that the entire FIFA tournament falls apart. The sponsors pull out of FIFA and move to the rival tournament, and the TV money bleeds away as FIFA face the prospect of a final between Russia and Saudi Arabia in November. UEFA, if they have the balls, could destroy the whole corrupt edifice if they fancy it.
Alexikokopops Posted 28 May 2015 Posted 28 May 2015 I know what would be radical - a UEFA organised rival tournament taking place in the same year as the FIFA gig. Imagine the message to the world - Germany, Spain, England, France et al aren't going to Qatar, but they are going to a rival tournament in Spain or England. I'd bet everything I own on USA, Australia, Brazil and Argentina wanting to do a summer tournament in Europe with UEFA's finest over a winter tournament in the Middle East, and with that the entire FIFA tournament falls apart. The sponsors pull out of FIFA and move to the rival tournament, and the TV money bleeds away as FIFA face the prospect of a final between Russia and Saudi Arabia in November. UEFA, if they have the balls, could destroy the whole corrupt edifice if they fancy it. Interesting scenario, but surely they'd have to do it for Russia first? There's no way, if UEFA was going to kick up a fuss, they could help a successful World Cup in Russia before boycotting a Qatar one four years later?
Guest Bilo Posted 28 May 2015 Posted 28 May 2015 Interesting scenario, but surely they'd have to do it for Russia first? There's no way, if UEFA was going to kick up a fuss, they could help a successful World Cup in Russia before boycotting a Qatar one four years later? The Russian tournament seems less controversial to UEFA as it doesn't entail the same disruptions. Qatar 2022 promises huge disruption to UEFA's member associations' domestic leagues, as well as huge disruption to UEFA's own Europa League and Champions League. Nobody really wants it in the winter. I wouldn't have objections to the 2018 tournament being undermined in the same way though, they were both part of the same voting process which is now seen to self-evidently flawed.
lestalee Posted 28 May 2015 Posted 28 May 2015 We know what you are We know what you arrrre Sepp Blatter and fifa We know what you are England fans need to sing this at nxt game!!!!
Carl the Llama Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 If Ali is elected it will be interesting to see if he follows through on his calls in the past for more transparency in FIFA or if he was just performing for votes. Until the screen is lifted it's going to be impossible not to be dubious about the organisation, regardless of who's running the show.
ramboacdc Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 If Ali is elected it will be interesting to see if he follows through on his calls in the past for more transparency in FIFA or if he was just performing for votes. Until the screen is lifted it's going to be impossible not to be dubious about the organisation, regardless of who's running the show. not a chance he will be elected. best case scenario i can predict is a run off for a 2nd vote. then blatter wins with 111 votes.
yorkie1999 Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 How the heck they can still have a leadership vote today is beyond me. Its like nothing has happened apart from a few bad eggs got busted. And the most crazy thing is that Blatter already knows he's going to win it, because its already been rigged.
fleckneymike Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 How the heck they can still have a leadership vote today is beyond me. Its like nothing has happened apart from a few bad eggs got busted. And the most crazy thing is that Blatter already knows he's going to win it, because its already been rigged. Not having a vote would be the equivalent of turkey's voting for Christmas. The member federations need Blatter, need his money and need his protection. Why wouldn't they vote for him?
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 The counter argument to this is that it shines a light on how bad it is so it forces countries to improve for future generations.
yorkie1999 Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 Not having a vote would be the equivalent of turkey's voting for Christmas. The member federations need Blatter, need his money and need his protection. Why wouldn't they vote for him? Uefa don't, as they're threatening to pull out of the 2018 world cup if Blatter gets re-elected., and whether the rest of the federations like it or not, Uefa is the most important member of Fifa. Without Uefa, there is no world cup.
MrSpaM Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 What would Russia do if UEFA boycotted the 2018 world cup?
Merging Cultures Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 What would Russia do if UEFA boycotted the 2018 world cup?Declare it an amazing success. The best WC ever.
yorkie1999 Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 Declare it an amazing success. The best WC ever. Then launch a nuclear strike on the pentagon.
fleckneymike Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 Uefa don't, as they're threatening to pull out of the 2018 world cup if Blatter gets re-elected., and whether the rest of the federations like it or not, Uefa is the most important member of Fifa. Without Uefa, there is no world cup. UEFA also don't want to kill the goose that laid the golden egg (apologies for repeated analogies). They have to play this very carefully, break up the family and you dilute the product, allow Blatter too much power and you will long term tarnish the brand. UEFA aren't idiots, they know that now we have the money but not the equivalent influence, however in the future (and this is why Qatar got the WC) money will begin to pour into other markets (think the Chinese league, Asia, 'stable' South American countries) and we don't want to be screwed over by them. FIFA knows Russia is anti Europe (as did the other federations) so they got the WC, FIFA knows a strong US is good for marketing but a powerful US is disasterous, hence overlooking their bid and going to Qatar. FIFA will dread the votes for WC 18 and 22 being re run, they need those markets to win and grow to ensure long term parity of power. FIFA 'nearly' (but only nearly) have us over a barrel, the 'top' players aren't European yet the play in Europe. UEFA walk, their respective FAs will hold their registration and ban them from competing. We both need each other, its mutually agreed destruction, we're making just enough noise to presurise sponsors into forcing FIFAs hand but we'll have to be patient.
BlueSi13 Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 FIFA presidential election, who gets the most votes: Africa (CAF) - 54 Europe (UEFA) - 53 Asia (AFC) - 46 North and Central America (CONCACEF) - 35 Oceania (OFC) - 11 South America (CONMEBOL) - 10 Blatter has Africa, Asia and Central America sewn up (we all know how) so he is an absolute shoe-in for re-election. It's an absolute joke that footballing backwaters can have so much influence over the governance and future direction of the game. If Blatter is re-elected I would fully support the FA if they decided to walk away. Dyke this morning talked about how that wouldn't be possible without wider UEFA support as we would just be ignored, I agree that would likely be the case if it was just us. But for me, I believe we should stand up for the morals and principles of the very simple game that we invented and leave this foul organisation that has stained it possibly forevermore. Besides, anything would be better that taking part in a World Cup in as terrifying a shithole as Russia.
Larry_LCFC Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 Gone to a second round. No clear winner. Edit - Still a 133 to 73 majority for the corrupt cvnt though. This is digusting.
davieG Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 Gone to a second round. No clear winner. Edit - Still a 133 to 73 majority for the corrupt cvnt though. This is digusting. Well it indicates a clear winner in the second round as he only needs a majority. The first round was really designed for there being more than 2 candidates
Dan Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 Blatter wins. No surprise. The game's broken. It will take some serious, serious repairing. We're counting on the USA.
Leicesterpool Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 A total fix! Its time for all the big nations to arrange a break away from fifa now.
Dan Posted 29 May 2015 Posted 29 May 2015 Will they though? I'd like to know who voted for who. When that many have voted Blatter you'd imagine quite a fair few went for him anyway even from UEFA.
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