Jamie Vardy

[Brizzlfox]

Oh ffs - it's a term generally regarded by the Japanese as derogatory to them, as a result of the Americans using it in a derogatory manner about them. That we're not American and it's not a common term here doesn't mean it's not racist, it just means the use is more likely to be out of ignorance than a genuine attempt to be racist. But, there's the separate issue of the guy reportedly being Chinese, and calling a Chinese person Japanese is racist.

 Oh ffs - you have not explained why they regard it as derogatory to them - and I don't think that they do anyway. Merely calling a Chinese person Japanese is merely misidentification and perhaps strong evidence of a level of ignorance and poor education but not, by and of itself, racist.

[The_77]

Oh ffs - it's a term generally regarded by the Japanese as derogatory to them, as a result of the Americans using it in a derogatory manner about them. That we're not American and it's not a common term here doesn't mean it's not racist, it just means the use is more likely to be out of ignorance than a genuine attempt to be racist. But, there's the separate issue of the guy reportedly being Chinese, and calling a Chinese person Japanese is racist.

Thank you. If folks on here still don't get it after reading your post, they're hopeless.

[Detroit Blues]

The more maddening thing about the situation is just the lack of awareness vardy displays. When he is out in public he's a representative of the team. Beyond that the racist orgy scandal was so recent, why even chance bringing up what race someone is in public? The cherry on top is he is in a casino where you can be assured everything is being recorded. It's just unimaginably stupid.

[The Doctor]

Oh ffs - you have not explained why they regard it as derogatory to them - and I don't think that they do anyway. Merely calling a Chinese person Japanese is merely misidentification and perhaps strong evidence of a level of ignorance and poor education but not, by and of itself, racist.

As I said, because it was used in a derogatory manner towards them, it's very much a Japan-America deal - hence the likelihood that vardys just been a bit naive rather than being genuinely malicious about it,

[The_77]

Oh ffs - you have not explained why they regard it as derogatory to them - and I don't think that they do anyway. Merely calling a Chinese person Japanese is merely misidentification and perhaps strong evidence of a level of ignorance and poor education but not, by and of itself, racist.

Does every damn thing need to be spelled out for you?

Go try the word out on people. I'm sure you'll make a ton of new Japanese friends.

[benpicko]

Um..yes

 

But getting back to the point, it is exactly the same as referring to someone as a 'Jap'.  

 

 

It really isn't though, is it? One has racist connotations and one doesn't. Nobody's saying that shortening a term to refer to a group of people is inherently racist (Brit, Aussie, etc.), but some have been used in the past as insults and now carry negative connotations. It's really not fúcking hard.

[Brizzlfox]

As I said, because it was used in a derogatory manner towards them, it's very much a Japan-America deal - hence the likelihood that vardys just been a bit naive rather than being genuinely malicious about it,

 

Well thank the almighty for that - you seem to realise what I was getting at. I don't know Vardy personally, so I cannot determine whether such racial/national insensitivity is really evidence of a deeply held racist attitude. It might well be. But a person, no matter what their position in life, should not be subjected to extreme public censure on such scanty and flimsy evidence - especially from a sordid, tawdry little scandal sheet that has done more for encouraging racist agitation than a thousand Jamie Vardy's - not to mention the fact that the rag in question has often used this so-called racist slur in its own headlines - and also is a publication that (judging by its scandalous and disgusting 'coverage' of the Hillsborough disaster) holds all football fans in contempt...

[Brizzlfox]

Does every damn thing need to be spelled out for you?

Go try the word out on people. I'm sure you'll make a ton of new Japanese friends.

 

You really don't understand my meaning and you don't read things carefully enough. You don't know me and so cannot judge my level of education. I would never use this abbreviated form of Japan and Japanese...I already have numerous Japanese acquaintances - some of which I regard as friends; my job requires me to interact with people from a variety of different national and racial backgrounds and to travel widely. I am very lucky in that. And I think I'm in at least as good a position to comment on what Japanese are likely to regard as offensive in an Englishman - not to mention understanding a person like Jamie Vardy and his motivations - than you are, so spare me the sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, arsy attitude...

[EnglishOxide]

The more maddening thing about the situation is just the lack of awareness vardy displays. When he is out in public he's a representative of the team. Beyond that the racist orgy scandal was so recent, why even chance bringing up what race someone is in public? The cherry on top is he is in a casino where you can be assured everything is being recorded. It's just unimaginably stupid.

He is supposed to anticipate someone stealing or buying CCTV footage on a private night out, on personal time, doctoring that footage and making him out to be a racist is he?

Imagine living your life in fear of a multi million corporation ready to stitch you up at any opportunity, even going the length to buy footage of you doing nothing illegal.

Footballers are NOT public property and shouldn't be treated as such. Yes they have a duty to be responsible but no more than any other member of the public.

[enmac]

In this day and age, its almost impossible to know what people will get offended by. Its a bloody minefield. I had no idea "Jap" was offensive (when not part of abuse), not that I've ever used it. Thought it was no different to Brit, Aussie, Yank etc. Maybe someone should publish a list.

I understand what you're saying. I think we all need educating. We all judge everyone by appearances, no matter what " race" we happen to be, but things need to change.

Why wasn't the queen's husband fired?

[BoneDog]

Slightly drunk lad gets slightly aggressive and says something silly in slightly heated situation on night out.

 

Same as nearly every other young lad then.

[Detroit Blues]

He is supposed to anticipate someone stealing or buying CCTV footage on a private night out, on personal time, doctoring that footage and making him out to be a racist is he?

Imagine living your life in fear of a multi million corporation ready to stitch you up at any opportunity, even going the length to buy footage of you doing nothing illegal.

Footballers are NOT public property and shouldn't be treated as such. Yes they have a duty to be responsible but no more than any other member of the public.

Even though it's not fair, that's what he signed up for. When you're a celebrity, there is a target on your back. People will try to get a rise out of you for a story, for a photo, or for some money. He knows that his actions off the field can cost him his reputation or his job, even if it's out of context or completely provoked.

I don't disagree with you on principle, I just don't think that's true in 2015.

[dylanlegend]

This was the trouble with the sacking of Pearson, Hooper and Smith. It set a dangerous precident, I said it at the time if it was 3 senior players people would react differently, That's exactly what has happened people looking at it diff as its Vardy. How can people honestly stick up for Vardy but adamant the youth players should have been sacked!? The worst thing is it was only Hopper that actually was racist and the other 2 still got the sack. If they sacked Pearson, Pearson Jr. and the other 2 for "disrespecting" their country I can't see how Vardy will not get sacked for this. If they don't the youth players have a good case for wrongful dismissal.

For the record I would be gutted if they sacked Vardy but I cant predict how the owners will react following recent events.

The context of this (using "Jap" as an agressive word) could also be viewed as worse than Thailand as the girls in the Thailand video clearly weren't fussed and laughing- I doubt the 'jap' in question wouldve have felt the same at the casino

[shade]

question: could you identify a Japanese man as Japanese, from behind? Richard madeley probably could.

[ozleicester]

Slightly drunk lad gets slightly aggressive and says something silly in slightly heated situation on night out.

 

Same as nearly every other young lad then.

 

To be fair, there is a bit of difference.

 

"Lad" -  is 28 years old

"Lad" is paid exceptional sum of money to be in the public eye

"Lad" has just seen the consequences of racist behavior.

Being drunk does not excuse being a racist.

 

Simple fact is...He was being racist and he has acknowledged and apologised for it.

 

He should be fined, given "sensitivity" training and placed on a good behaviour situation by the club.

 

Hopefully then the "lad" will remember that, when in public he is being watched, and quite probably recorded.

[EnglishOxide]

****ing state of that^

Sensitivity training? He works everyday with multi national team mates. I think he is well aware of different nationalities, cultures and what you can and can't say.

The problem is that the 'can and can't say bit' is a massive grey area that The Sun have exploited before (Jap puns) but now they have decided it is a racist term because it suits their agenda of selling papers.

[willie-bell-in-rothley]

How many of you BRITS chant you put your big POLE in at the ground , jap is not racist

[GaelicFox]

Jap as a word isn't

As an encompassing word for all oriental featured people it could be

He has said sorry

He knows he was an arse

He will get fined

FFS let's move on

Anyone asking for a sacking for this is actually undermining the opportunity to effect a change in attitude by the player and his supporters, please grow up its not and should never be a sacking offence for anyone

[stripeyfox]

I'm not here to unconditionally defend Vardy. Based on what I have heard about him previously, the guy is a complete arse.

Also, if Vardy had done what the Thailand 3 had done then I'd definately be calling for him to be sacked.

But the aggravating issue in that case was that the players were on official club business. In this case, Vardy is unquestionably behaving like a knob but we don't know the context.

I'm sure that a rap on the knuckles and a reminder about his responsibilities should suffice here.

[FrankieADZ]

I'm not here to unconditionally defend Vardy. Based on what I have heard about him previously, the guy is a complete arse.

Also, if Vardy had done what the Thailand 3 had done then I'd definately be calling for him to be sacked.

But the aggravating issue in that case was that the players were on official club business. In this case, Vardy is unquestionably behaving like a knob but we don't know the context.

I'm sure that a rap on the knuckles and a reminder about his responsibilities should suffice here.

all depends what you've heard about him tbh,

 

I know he got into a "trouble" earlier on in his career sticking up for his friend as there were some people were taking the piss cos his friend was partially deaf(had to wear a tag and that)

 

Im by no means defending him, just nowadays everything offends someone, and everything just stinks of hypocrisy 

[Guest]

Sorry but he has done nothing wrong. Go watch the video. He seeks the guys attention by using a word that is used all the time in papers. You simply cannot root around for some other usage by us airmen 75 years ago as a rationale for feigned offence on behalf of others. He then just tells him to walk on. Nobody has been offended.

[stripeyfox]

I don't disagree with you FrankieADZ. I work with a guy who is close to Vardy's family in Sheffield. The stuff I've heard is not really bad in a "going out and kicking the shit out of people" way, but more an unpleasant attitude - a kind of "my trainers cost more than your car" sort of thing.

But that's what I meant earlier. He hasn't done anything that wrong here apart from being a tit.

The choice of language is unpleasant but we don't know the full context. Vardy and his "friend" may have shaken hands afterwards for all we know.

If there was something worse here I'd be fully behind the club taking disciplinary action but I don't think there's too much to get upset about here.

[ImBlue]

How many of you BRITS chant you put your big POLE in at the ground , jap is not racist

To be fair, he has a point as I'm sure (based on previous logic used in here) you wouldn't make many friends calling polish people poles as a way to refer to them.

[MikeyT]

Isn't being called a "Jap" (short for Japanese) the same as if someone was to call us a "Brit", short for British? Just a shortened down version of either two!

[Brizzlfox]

 

 

Simple fact is...He was being racist and he has acknowledged and apologised for it.

 

 

 

Point of order: He hasn't acknowledged that he was being racist. He apologised for any offence that he may have caused; you can cause offence (not in itself necessarily 'wrong' or illegal - even sometimes right and necessary) wittingly or unwittingly. In other words he could quite rightly claim that he was not aware that the word he used had a derogatory connotation - a look at the exchange of views on this thread would support such a possibility - and now he is sorry for it and his general demeanour/behaviour. The racial (or indeed racist) aspect of the 'exchange' is not even mentioned in his short statement. I suggest you read it again...