Babylon Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 He appears to have apologised (bbc sport). Which means it was a racial slur. Internal investigation, then ? How stupid to do this after Thailand! We are a family club, backed by a global brand and King Power didn't buy LCFC because of their love of football or to make a profit. They bought it for Premier League global publicity and unfortunately I expect the worst. Contract terminated. You need to read the apology, he didn't accept he'd said it. Only that he was sorry if people were offended, which could mean his general behaviour.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Us old 'uns lived in a world of free speech, which has sadly now evaporated, into the "Big Brother Is Watching You" era. Did you also live in a world where women weren't allowed to vote, slavery was acceptable, homosexuals were sent to prison etc...was all that acceptable in your "old un" world? Life changes, the modern world has faults but a progressive society is always a good thing.
enmac Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Perhaps it depends on the country you live in. Here in canada if you called someone a jap they would take it offensively. Sure it may seem short for japanese but can have a negative meaning associated to it particularly if used in a derogatory manner. If he told the guy to fook off or something thats one thing. The second you make it about race then its clearly racially motivated. Doesnt mean he is racist but maybe in the heat of the moment he blurted it out. Ultimately as a mixed race guy i will accept an apology because it takes a man to own up and apologize. Should he suffer some consequence yes. Small fine or game ban sure. Need to let others know its not ok. Are we a bit sensitive at times..yes.. but i was racially abused many times growing up being called a paki (even though im not pakistani) so i understand that what might seem like nothing to you might be a bigger deal to someone like me. With that said most people are guilty of using racial slurs/slang in our own homes at some point in life. Are we racist, no. Are we stupid for saying it, yes. Given whats happened so far this year you cant blame the team for taking any tough stance for racial related issues. Vardy will learn and grow from this and hopefully be a better man. Agree. There's an interesting autobiographical book by Charles Mingus:"Beneath the Underdog". He was racially mixed- black, white,Chinese, I think, who was abused by just about everybody at High School. His only friend coincidently was Japanese!
SpacedX Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 This isn't a matter of opinion, it's a simple matter of fact - jap is a pejorative term, that it's short for Japanese doesn't make it not racist - case in point, paki. I agree with you completely. Interesting though that you of all people are dispensing advice on what may or may not be deemed offensive terminology... Window licker, mouth breather, ineligible for the special Olympics due to being too disabled, your choice you twat.
Finnaldo Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Actually you have picked up on what I was saying. Being young in my day, the word racist never existed, and nothing in the way we lived even resembled today's world. Some people on here just eat and breathe racism, using it on a day to day basis. I never saw a black person until I was fifteen, and not another, for a few years more. People of my age group, will understand the difference, because we have experienced both eras, while today's young people can only gage anything by the world they were brought up in. It's nobody's fault, but that the way it is/was. Us old 'uns lived in a world of free speech, which has sadly now evaporated, into the "Big Brother Is Watching You" era. You said you went to a school with no non-whites, yet you also a claim 'racism didn't exist'? I can tell you it did exist, it's just a lot more exposed and there's this new concept called 'equality' where you can't abuse other ethnities 'because you learnt a song in school' or because 'there were no non-whites in my school'.
The Doctor Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 I agree with you completely. Interesting though that you of all people are dispensing advice on what may or may not be deemed offensive terminology... I insult people who deserve to be insulted, but they're general insults like ****puffin rather than racial or ableist, sexist or homophobic slurs
fuchsntf Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 I repeat, and will carry on doing so...I am waiting 1st for the Suns apology. City should rightly tell Vardy to expect some disciplinary action. But aproach the Sun, Euefa, Fifa, and also tell them, no harder actions now or in the future will be taken, until these 3 dipstick, hypocritical organisations and keepers of the faith 1st get their own houses in order. I hope city management, pick up on the past headlines of the Sun, using Jap, and ask all media circles with sarcastic disdain, how far do they want to go with this, and city to ask their own lawyers, to look for any ammunition they can find, to open up wounds and threaten to create scandal, amid the media,on clubs and fans behalf. Stop these unneccessary witchhunts, from do-gooders, who have agendas now. In my circle of friends and ex-girlfriends, Marco Polo could of written a book, so I have no white anglo saxon supremest attitude.Like all my meltingpot of friends, I just detest hypocrits stirring the shit, for spite. Thats why city management should make a stance, saying enough is enough..
Tuna Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 What is wrong with our players? Hopper et al, Simpson, now Vardy? What next Wasyl exposed as a serial killer?
The Doctor Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 What is wrong with our players? Hopper et al, Simpson, now Vardy? What next Wasyl exposed as a serial killer? As if wasyl would be sloppy enough to get caught
The Horse's Mouth Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 What is wrong with our players? Hopper et al, Simpson, now Vardy? What next Wasyl exposed as a serial killer? Are you saying Wasyl killed Preki?
Babylon Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Is some of this generational? My mum in her 60's would say Jap is a racist term as was used pejoratively towards Japanese soldiers in world war 2. I'm unsure in my 30's - had to look up the war links to feel more informed and have certainly heard Jap used in normal conversation in a non racist way - ironically many times in the stadium yesterday! So I am undecided. However, my 12 year old son has just read this on sky sports and thinks it's ridiculous. He can give a clear definition of what he considers racism to mean and feels quite strongly about it. When I asked if he'd call someone a paki or a pikey he said no because those words are insulting. He cannot understand why jap is racist, he says it's short for Japanese and he would describe a school friend using it or talk about jap cars etc. He had no idea it could be offensive and no idea about how the war has influenced the term. When I explained he said but the war ended a long time before Jamie Vardy was born, he might not know about that just like I didn't? He said 'he shouldn't get drunk and shout at people so he should say sorry for that, but not for racism because he wasn't being racist, just for being rude' Food for thought from the next generation. Very much so, people used to have reason to be derogatory towards the Japanese during the war I'd imagine. Now day to day I doubt most of the nation have any contact with or reason to talk about the Japanese. Except for instance talking about cars or sports, or TV shows etc. The term for most is now nothing more than being descriptive and not meant as derogatory.
SpacedX Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 I insult people who deserve to be insulted, but they're general insults like ****puffin rather than racial or ableist, sexist or homophobic slurs You mean someone that holds an opinion that does not accord with your own? And why should you feel the need to set yourself up as some sanctimonious dictatorial pharisee in the first place? I think Scope UK would be very interested to learn that you don't deem that offensive either. Sorry, I don't think that this is appropriate. Hypocrite. Perhaps given your holier than thou attitude on here you should at least similarly concede that resorting to this sort of language is utterly reprehensible and unacceptable? You're clearly intelligent enough to know better an the fact that you try to defend it makes it even more cringeworthy. Window licker, mouth breather, ineligible for the special Olympics due to being too disabled, your choice you twat.
Larry_LCFC Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 In this day and age, its almost impossible to know what people will get offended by. Its a bloody minefield. I had no idea "Jap" was offensive (when not part of abuse), not that I've ever used it. Thought it was no different to Brit, Aussie, Yank etc. Maybe someone should publish a list.
AyewJoking Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 come to think of it, few of our players wear black boots. I'm calling The Sun.
yorkie1999 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Did you also live in a world where women weren't allowed to vote, slavery was acceptable, homosexuals were sent to prison etc...was all that acceptable in your "old un" world? Life changes, the modern world has faults but a progressive society is always a good thing. that's just being silly, I suspect he's talking about the 70s which isnt that long ago in the grand scheme of things. Programs like Love thy neighbour werent seen as racist by both blacks and whites at the time , just funny.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Are you being deliberately obtuse to take the piss now? If you call an Asian person you don't know a Jap it is offensive because you're implying there's no distinction between several races of people. Ironically though isn't pointing out the differences between races exactly the definition of racism? As far as I'm concerned there is only one race, human. I would be interested in what words people think are acceptable as insults? It's okay to insult someone about their intelligence, but not their race? Their ability to play football, but not their performance in exams? Because acceptable insult is an oxymoron. Though when all's said and done he's behaving like a knob, he would have thrown an insult of some kind, which would have been offensive. Same result.
urban.spaceman Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 So we can't say Jap any more? We're gonna have to nip that in the bud
Rob1742 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 The percentage of people on here who wanted young Pearson and co sacked a few weeks ago was extremely high. In fact, two of the three never made a racist comment. Amazing when it is a bigger asset people's views suddenly change. Not so keen to hang this one out to dry I see.
ChrisFilter Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 So we can't say Jap any more? We're gonna have to nip that in the bud Have you ever considered stand-up?
yorkie1999 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 The percentage of people on here who wanted young Pearson and co sacked a few weeks ago was extremely high. In fact, two of the three never made a racist comment. Amazing when it is a bigger asset people's views suddenly change. Not so keen to hang this one out to dry I see. a few people did make the point at the time. Wonder what the general reply was.
chapero82 Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 The percentage of people on here who wanted young Pearson and co sacked a few weeks ago was extremely high. In fact, two of the three never made a racist comment. Amazing when it is a bigger asset people's views suddenly change. Not so keen to hang this one out to dry I see. Completel different scenario don't you think? What they were saying was complete cut and dry racism as well as degrading women as a whole while recording it!
RedSoxUK Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 Actually you have picked up on what I was saying. Being young in my day, the word racist never existed, and nothing in the way we lived even resembled today's world. Some people on here just eat and breathe racism, using it on a day to day basis. I never saw a black person until I was fifteen, and not another, for a few years more. People of my age group, will understand the difference, because we have experienced both eras, while today's young people can only gage anything by the world they were brought up in. It's nobody's fault, but that the way it is/was. Us old 'uns lived in a world of free speech, which has sadly now evaporated, into the "Big Brother Is Watching You" era. Actually you have picked up on what I was saying. Being young in my day, the word racist never existed, and nothing in the way we lived even resembled today's world. Some people on here just eat and breathe racism, using it on a day to day basis. I never saw a black person until I was fifteen, and not another, for a few years more. People of my age group, will understand the difference, because we have experienced both eras, while today's young people can only gage anything by the world they were brought up in. It's nobody's fault, but that the way it is/was. Us old 'uns lived in a world of free speech, which has sadly now evaporated, into the "Big Brother Is Watching You" era. Don't know why, but I read this in Red's voice...
foxusa Posted 9 August 2015 Posted 9 August 2015 The first little rhyme I was taught at school, by a teacher, goes as follows. Eeny meeny minee moe Catch a nigger by the toe, If he squeals let him go, Eeny meeny miny moe. 1955 was the year I learnt that, and the kids sang it in the playground. It was considered great fun, and could always be heard on a daily basis.It was never anything more than a fun rhyme. In some the Rupert Bear annuals I still have, there is a lovely little chap in a white nightshirt, with big red lips, and a few strands of hair sticking upwards. He was called "the little Coon", and was a lovely character. One of most of us children's favourite stories, was "Little Black Sambo", a truly wonderful heroic character. (I bought a copy a couple of years ago, for my other half, who also loved it) Growing up, none of us had to endure the pathetic whimpering, that some people shove down our throats nowadays, actively seeking out anything that MIGHT be ceased upon as being racist. It is the people who do this, who actively create unrest among people. Very sad, and empty headed people. I am oh so glad, I had my childhood when I did, and not now. The only positive I can glean from this comment is that you are nearing the end of a life devoid of self-examination and empathy. When you do finally slink off this mortal coil there will be one less person espousing reductive, hateful and frankly stupid waffle like this.
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