Jamie Vardy

[ImBlue]

Isn't being called a "Jap" (short for Japanese) the same as if someone was to call us a "Brit", short for British? Just a shortened down version of either two!

It's different as they are classed as ethnic minority here, plus have different coloured skin, hence everything is racially motivated.

[willie-bell-in-rothley]

It's different as they are classed as ethnic minority here, plus have different coloured skin, hence everything is racially motivated.

In Leicester we are the minority, this is how stupid all the racism claims are.

[Fox 4 Life]

This was the trouble with the sacking of Pearson, Hooper and Smith. It set a dangerous precident, I said it at the time if it was 3 senior players people would react differently, That's exactly what has happened people looking at it diff as its Vardy. How can people honestly stick up for Vardy but adamant the youth players should have been sacked!? The worst thing is it was only Hopper that actually was racist and the other 2 still got the sack. If they sacked Pearson, Pearson Jr. and the other 2 for "disrespecting" their country I can't see how Vardy will not get sacked for this. If they don't the youth players have a good case for wrongful dismissal.

For the record I would be gutted if they sacked Vardy but I cant predict how the owners will react following recent events.

The context of this (using "Jap" as an agressive word) could also be viewed as worse than Thailand as the girls in the Thailand video clearly weren't fussed and laughing- I doubt the 'jap' in question wouldve have felt the same at the casino

They are very different situations, the youth players were on official club business in the home country of our owners. They were not just racist but created an illegal sex tape and completely direspected the Thai people. I think there would have been grounds for sacking without the slit eye comment.

Vardy is on a night out in the off season and yes he is a twat but the footage has clearly been doctored to focus on him. We can't even see its an Asian man that he is talking to its that focused on him. I genuinely believe he is thick as shit and wouldn't have even known the magnitude of what he said. Getting someone's attention by using it is different than saying oi you jap **** or similar. He has apologised it's time to move on. If we sack him we are the biggest mugs in football.

[Lestoh]

I think the sad truth is that Vardy isn't smart enough to realise any historical context behind it, and so I'm struggling to believe he was being deliberately racist.

Ignorant though. Based on the various populations of Asian nationalities in Leicester, the bloke probably wasn't Japanese. Vardy acted like a complete bellend which I reckon is probably on his nature, but again, I don't think we was being intentionally racist.

[les-tah]

Isn't being called a "Jap" (short for Japanese) the same as if someone was to call us a "Brit", short for British? Just a shortened down version of either two!

 

And dont you dare think about calling an australian an aussie.

[les-tah]

If i was the club id get the cctv from the casino and identify who was recording vardy and pay a little visit to the money grabbing grass.

[FireFox]

Maybe the culture on this is just completely different in England than America, or maybe a ton of you are not being serious and I just can't tell, but I am shocked at how many of you don't think "Jap" is racist and are comparing it to "Brit" and the like.

[bluesbrothers]

If i was the club id get the cctv from the casino and identify who was recording vardy and pay a little visit to the money grabbing grass.

 

Paul Gallagher isn't doing much these days - he can help smash the back door in if there's no answer.

[Babylon]

Does every damn thing need to be spelled out for you?

Go try the word out on people. I'm sure you'll make a ton of new Japanese friends.

 

It's a two way street with this kind of thing, there needs to be understanding on both sides. If a country uses a word such as Jap as short for Japanese, which in the main is probably how it's now used in the is country (japfest etc) without meaning any offence whatsoever, then the Japanese need to be understanding of the way it's used here. Just as we'd need to be aware of the offence it might cause there.

 

I know it's more gestures than words but it illustrates the point, but you wouldn't think twice about most of our day to day hand signals we use to people, whether it's a thumbs up or a wagging / beckoning finger. But in some countries you'd get nicked for some of them and someone visiting this country unaware of our usage could take offence.

 

But that's a more general issue regarding that word. Obviously there is the second issue of it potentially being used against someone who isn't Japanese.

[Babylon]

Maybe the culture on this is just completely different in England than America, or maybe a ton of you are not being serious and I just can't tell, but I am shocked at how many of you don't think "Jap" is racist and are comparing it to "Brit" and the like.

It's just not been used in that way here for a long time.  When you have papers running it in headlines and events like Japfest (An event celebrating things Japanese) that nobody seems to have had a problem with), all used without malice or intent to upset people, the meaning changes over time. I've never heard it used in a derogatory way, only as an identifier for things Japanese... if you've not heard it used in a bad way, why would you even think about it, when abbreviations for other countries are used all the time alongside it.

 

I've mentioned it before, but search japs in the search bar and loads come up. Nothing malicious, just an identifer and nobody seemed to pick people up on it at all like they would have with stuff like P**** or N*****. It just doesn't hold the same meaning here for most people.

[lgfualol]

Maybe the culture on this is just completely different in England than America, or maybe a ton of you are not being serious and I just can't tell, but I am shocked at how many of you don't think "Jap" is racist and are comparing it to "Brit" and the like.

Pretty sure they're all being serious.

[les-tah]

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[The Doctor]

Well thank the almighty for that - you seem to realise what I was getting at. I don't know Vardy personally, so I cannot determine whether such racial/national insensitivity is really evidence of a deeply held racist attitude. It might well be. But a person, no matter what their position in life, should not be subjected to extreme public censure on such scanty and flimsy evidence - especially from a sordid, tawdry little scandal sheet that has done more for encouraging racist agitation than a thousand Jamie Vardy's - not to mention the fact that the rag in question has often used this so-called racist slur in its own headlines - and also is a publication that (judging by its scandalous and disgusting 'coverage' of the Hillsborough disaster) holds all football fans in contempt...

If you're arguing it's not a word that British people would be aware of and it's likely he was ignorant rather than racist, then say that rather than claiming that the word isn't racist.

[Lestoh]

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HAHAHAHHA, fvck the Sun man

[Ric Flair]

I'm embarrassed that up until yesterday morning I wasn't aware the term Jap was deemed racist. How on earth could I not have known this? Bizarre.

[Ricey]

I think it depends what context it is used in.

 

The term 'black' isn't racist, but if they used it amongst an insult such as "walk on you black b*****d" then clearly that is racist.

 

You could argue that Vardy was using the work Jap to make it clear who he was referring to, but for me the aggression shown when he's saying it suggests he intended to use it in a derogatory manner.

[mozartfox]

I doubt Vards has watched Tora Tora Tora.

Seriously though, this is just a case of the Sun having another pop at us and making a mountain out of a

tiny mole hill. I work in Asia 6 months of the year and get called all sorts of things, but 99% are not

racist!

I fear this thread is only going to damage the club if we continue to debate this particular matter, as

clearly opinions differ with no conclusive evidence or supporting facts as to whether the word is racist or not. May be move on now before we get the Club get blamed for the Pearl Harbor attack.

[what?]

The amount of ostriches in this thread is staggering. After the incident in Thailand someone questioned if the such a strongly negative response would be as forthcoming if the perpetrator/s were of more importance to the club. That question has been clearly answered. The word he used was unequivocally a racist slur. The pedants claiming it's just shortened from Japanese and that it's the same as calling someone a Brit are grasping at straws trying to defend actions that are not worthy of defence. You're one step away from the arseholes who try and use etymology to justify the use of the n-word. The fact of the matter is that you're opinion on whether or not it's racist doesn't matter. If you punch someone in the face and they tell you that it hurt you don't get to tell them it didn't.

 

Even if Vardy was truly ignorant and really didn't know that it was a slur he's still condemned himself. The word is clearly being used in anger and, ignorant or not, he's reduced that man to a single quality, his race. A dehumanising tactic that has been used by racists since the dawn f**king time. Are we even sure this man was Japanese? Or was Vardy just hurling words at a someone from East Asia. The truth is that had that man been white, race would not have entered into it. Bringing it up at all is racist whether or not he realised that. We seem to have developed a cultural delusion that racism is limited to mass acts of overt violence and that we somehow have left that behind but that is just not true. We each have a responsibly to recognise how racism still permeates and underpins out society. We learn racism by default and it's up to us to educate ourselves of that and to strive to move beyond it. Jamie failed in every respect when he used that word and he is 100% guilty. Whether or not that means he should be sacked or fined or let off the hook is up for debate. Whether or not what he did was racist is not.

[foxfanazer]

I'm embarrassed that up until yesterday morning I wasn't aware the term Jap was deemed racist. How on earth could I not have known this? Bizarre.

Me too. Thought i was pretty clued up before this

[Rincewind]

The Sun headlines may have a lot to do with lazy journalism and the need to find a catchy headline.

I have a friend who is married to someone from Japan. I cannot recall him referring to her as a 'Jap'

He may have said 'She is Japanese or from Japan. He is a priest of his own church and is against predjudice and inequality in any form so I wonder what his thoughts on this may be. Like others I think he would regard it as stupidity more than a deliberate act of racism. He would consider how the vulnerable in this country are treated to be of more importance.

[Brizzlfox]

If you're arguing it's not a word that British people would be aware of and it's likely he was ignorant rather than racist, then say that rather than claiming that the word isn't racist.

 

No, British people are aware of the English word for Japan/Japanese (being the language of the, errr. English). IN THIS COUNTRY, the diminutive form does not have negative connotations - it is likely, therefore, that his intention was not to cause offence in relation to the person's race/nationality. If he had used the word 'Nip', you would have a point. Most people would realise that that word has negative connotations (for the same reason as 'nigger' - i.e. US cultural exportation). In fact, the word 'nigger' did not have negative connotations in this country for most of its existence - it was merely a corruption of the word 'negro', being the latin word for black (see the British film "The Dambusters") - the negative connotation is entirely an American import (via cultural product exchange over the past 70 years - film, radio, TV and music). Unfortunately, we had our own offensive words for black people. No one would dream of using the word in the UK these days - if they did, their intentions and attitudes would be clear. 'Jap' just doesn't figure in the same way...

[Great Boos Up]

OK, so after reading all this because I was worried about a worst scenario. My conclusion is:

Shortened slang words such as Chink , Jap are racist because they cause offence.

Brit and Aussie do not cause offence.

If the word jap was used it was not in a racial overtone, just a Politically incorrect address.

Jamie has made an apology for his behaviour.

They will fine him for aggressive behaviour in a public place.

Everybody walks away (until the next incident).

[les-tah]

Seriously, fuuck the media. 

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

black is different to jap. If he called him yellow that would be racist.

What if the man had jaundice?

[FrankieADZ]

I don't disagree with you FrankieADZ. I work with a guy who is close to Vardy's family in Sheffield. The stuff I've heard is not really bad in a "going out and kicking the shit out of people" way, but more an unpleasant attitude - a kind of "my trainers cost more than your car" sort of thing.

But that's what I meant earlier. He hasn't done anything that wrong here apart from being a tit.

The choice of language is unpleasant but we don't know the full context. Vardy and his "friend" may have shaken hands afterwards for all we know.

If there was something worse here I'd be fully behind the club taking disciplinary action but I don't think there's too much to get upset about here.

ah ok, can understand where your coming from there, but im not sticking up for him on this but there's always a reason why someone would say that tbh.

 

i think sometimes its better for him to keep quiet then open his gob at the right time, though we are all guilty of opens our gobs and saying something we wish we hadnt.