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Nugent to boro?

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Foxhateram

Foxhateram

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Nugent would NEVER get the goal haul Austin got last season.

 

To argue Nugent is better than him is laughable.

 

This is sensible business. Nugent isn't a premier league player and he never will be.

I argued that nugents all round game is better than Austins, which it clearly is. Being a striker isn't all about goals, nugent offers more in terms of pressing and linking the midfield with the attack.

Austin will never haul that sort of goal return again, bet you. His technical game is no where near good enough, he will have been watched closely by teams and his positioning will be found out.

Nugent is still quick, he would still fit into our style of play. He was one of our fastest players still last year and got a very high assists rate. i just think he offers a lot, and his commitment to this club and the way he plays is superb. If he does go and we bring in a player that doesn't give 110% and plays for the shirt I will be furious.

Stuff all you going on about sentiment! I show sentiment towards the players that have got us here, because I believe that they are ever improving, and don't come out with that crap of 'he is 30 he isn't going to improve bull'.

If over the next few years Claudio chucks out our up and coming talent like king, drinks, James etc and buys 'proven' wannabes to gain so called quick success. I will be furious with the club for not progressing and allowing those players the time and chances they would deserve for getting us there and sticking with us for so long. Admittedly huge doesn't fit into this category, but looks like it's going to be Claudio's approach. Before you say it, yer I would prefer to see these youngsters given time to progress and get us to where we want to be in time, than take an instant euro spot, because they deserve it.

Foxhateram

Foxhateram

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I argued that nugents all round game is better than Austins, which it clearly is. Being a striker isn't all about goals, nugent offers more in terms of pressing and linking the midfield with the attack.

Austin will never haul that sort of goal return again, bet you. His technical game is no where near good enough, he will have been watched closely by teams and his positioning will be found out.

Nugent is still quick, he would still fit into our style of play. He was one of our fastest players still last year and got a very high assists rate. i just think he offers a lot, and his commitment to this club and the way he plays is superb. If he does go and we bring in a player that doesn't give 110% and plays for the shirt I will be furious.

Stuff all you going on about sentiment! I show sentiment towards the players that have got us here, because I believe that they are ever improving, and don't come out with that crap of 'he is 30 he isn't going to improve bull'.

If over the next few years Claudio chucks out our up and coming talent like king, drinks, James etc and buys 'proven' wannabes to gain so called quick success. I will be furious with the club for not progressing and allowing those players the time and chances they would deserve for getting us there and sticking with us for so long. Admittedly Nuge doesn't fit into this category, but looks like it's going to be Claudio's approach. Before you say it, yer I would prefer to see these youngsters given time to progress and get us to where we want to be in time, than take an instant euro spot, because they deserve it.

FoxPride

FoxPride

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Get a ****ing grip.

Nugent hasn't got a goal in him. Why have him at the club he is dreadful. He isn't even a ten goals a season man at this level. He puts away penalties but that's about it. Only scored a fair amount in the CHAMPIONSHIP because he scored lots of penalties and had more games than in the premier league.

He has to go, get him off the wage bill and get some money so we can get a decent player. I would rather have Chris Wood ahead of nugent, he is THAT bad.

Edit. Just because you're not a Nugent fan boy and have clarity when you look at your team, not a pathetic man crush, doesn't make you a bad fan. Grow up people. He is a has been player and we have better ones, get rid.

AKCJ

AKCJ

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Nugent hasn't got a goal in him. Why have him at the club he is dreadful. He isn't even a ten goals a season man at this level. He puts away penalties but that's about it. Only scored a fair amount in the CHAMPIONSHIP because he scored lots of penalties and had more games than in the premier league.

He has to go, get him off the wage bill and get some money so we can get a decent player. I would rather have Chris Wood ahead of nugent, he is THAT bad.

Edit. Just because you're not a Nugent fan boy and have clarity when you look at your team, not a pathetic man crush, doesn't make you a bad fan. Grow up people. He is a has been player and we have better ones, get rid.

 

Who said anything about a "man crush"? He's been an excellent player for us and has worked his socks off to get us to the Premier League. He was our top scorer 3 seasons in a row and, as has been said on this thread, his goals to minutes/starts ratio is very similar to Ulloa's.

 

He's not going to get in ahead of our current strikers (25m worth and an England International) but that doesn't mean he's awful. Hence Middlesbrough are willing to shell out 4m on the lad.

 

 

Good luck to him, I hope he continues his fine career. Anyone who can't appreciate him doesn't deserve the Premier League because we wouldn't be here without players like Nuge.

fleckneymike

fleckneymike

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I argued that nugents all round game is better than Austins, which it clearly is. Being a striker isn't all about goals, nugent offers more in terms of pressing and linking the midfield with the attack.

Austin will never haul that sort of goal return again, bet you. His technical game is no where near good enough, he will have been watched closely by teams and his positioning will be found out.

Nugent is still quick, he would still fit into our style of play. He was one of our fastest players still last year and got a very high assists rate. i just think he offers a lot, and his commitment to this club and the way he plays is superb. If he does go and we bring in a player that doesn't give 110% and plays for the shirt I will be furious.

Stuff all you going on about sentiment! I show sentiment towards the players that have got us here, because I believe that they are ever improving, and don't come out with that crap of 'he is 30 he isn't going to improve bull'.

If over the next few years Claudio chucks out our up and coming talent like king, drinks, James etc and buys 'proven' wannabes to gain so called quick success. I will be furious with the club for not progressing and allowing those players the time and chances they would deserve for getting us there and sticking with us for so long. Admittedly Nuge doesn't fit into this category, but looks like it's going to be Claudio's approach. Before you say it, yer I would prefer to see these youngsters given time to progress and get us to where we want to be in time, than take an instant euro spot, because they deserve it.

 

This section makes next to no sense at all. How, if they stay here for 'the next few years' could players who have already been here at least 3 years be still up and coming, surely they'd be the very opposite of that? They'd also have been given 'time and chances' if we don't replace them for the next few years and the implication is that if they've stuck with us then they'd sure be better than we are as bids from bigger clubs would have been turned down rather than us chucking them out which would mean the club would have enjoyed some pretty instant success.

tylesta

tylesta

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I argued that nugents all round game is better than Austins, which it clearly is. Being a striker isn't all about goals, nugent offers more in terms of pressing and linking the midfield with the attack.

Austin will never haul that sort of goal return again, bet you. His technical game is no where near good enough, he will have been watched closely by teams and his positioning will be found out.

Nugent is still quick, he would still fit into our style of play. He was one of our fastest players still last year and got a very high assists rate. i just think he offers a lot, and his commitment to this club and the way he plays is superb. If he does go and we bring in a player that doesn't give 110% and plays for the shirt I will be furious.

Stuff all you going on about sentiment! I show sentiment towards the players that have got us here, because I believe that they are ever improving, and don't come out with that crap of 'he is 30 he isn't going to improve bull'.

If over the next few years Claudio chucks out our up and coming talent like king, drinks, James etc and buys 'proven' wannabes to gain so called quick success. I will be furious with the club for not progressing and allowing those players the time and chances they would deserve for getting us there and sticking with us for so long. Admittedly huge doesn't fit into this category, but looks like it's going to be Claudio's approach. Before you say it, yer I would prefer to see these youngsters given time to progress and get us to where we want to be in time, than take an instant euro spot, because they deserve it.

2 assists ain't a high rate pal
Foxhateram

Foxhateram

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Really?  :unsure:  :huh:

No it isn't, so you are saying that any striker who has ever played that support role behind another player and only bags a few is terrible.

That means that you are saying that the likes of Heskey, Duff, Brunt (earlier seasons), Morten Gamst Pederson, malbranque and the list goes on, of strikers who supported and assisted, but did not score many themselves, are all not good enough for the prem. Many of those came out with a harsh reputation of being poor finishers, whilst that wasn't their role to play In the attacking line. Nugent fits into this so well, he links up play really well and played some great balls last season to assist Ulloa and Vardy. You also forget that many teams have players like that, Man city do, United do, Chelsea do, they all have strikers who support rather than score.

fleckneymike

fleckneymike

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No it isn't, so you are saying that any striker who has ever played that support role behind another player and only bags a few is terrible.

That means that you are saying that the likes of Heskey, Duff, Brunt (earlier seasons), Morten Gamst Pederson, malbranque and the list goes on, of strikers who supported and assisted, but did not score many themselves, are all not good enough for the prem. Many of those came out with a harsh reputation of being poor finishers, whilst that wasn't their role to play In the attacking line. Nugent fits into this so well, he links up play really well and played some great balls last season to assist Ulloa and Vardy. You also forget that many teams have players like that, Man city do, United do, Chelsea do, they all have strikers who support rather than score.

 

They aren't strikers, they are midfielders.

Foxhateram

Foxhateram

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This section makes next to no sense at all. How, if they stay here for 'the next few years' could players who have already been here at least 3 years be still up and coming, surely they'd be the very opposite of that? They'd also have been given 'time and chances' if we don't replace them for the next few years and the implication is that if they've stuck with us then they'd sure be better than we are as bids from bigger clubs would have been turned down rather than us chucking them out which would mean the club would have enjoyed some pretty instant success.

 

Of course you can still be up and coming and talented, even if you play at the top level for a few seasons. I don't see people saying that Kelly, Walker, Rose, Ox etc aren't still up and coming with potential, they have been playing in the top flight for a while now. The second part of what you said is backing up what I was saying, they deserve the chances and the opportunities to prove that they are good enough to get us to where we want to be. I was pointing out that Claudio or maybe pressure on him, seems to want to try and buy succes at the cost of those players who deserve more than being shunted out. Maybe i didn't make my point clear enough before.

 

2 assists ain't a high rate pal

 

No idea where you got that assist stat from 'pal' but it is completely wrong. He assisted 2 important goals in the last ten games, he certainly assisted more than that earlier in the season.

 

How can you be a proven wannabe?! lol

You obviously don't understand the use of ' ' inverted commas.

Bluearmy 316

Bluearmy 316

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Nuge had done well for us how anyone can slate him is crazy. He's got us goals in the championship that took us up and goals that kept us up last season. He's been a great lad to have around the club always smiling and good character that helps others when the backs are against the walls he's been a massive help supporting Vardy make the step up through the leagues. He goes with my blessing 4m is a good deal for both clubs.

Foxhateram

Foxhateram

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They aren't strikers, they are midfielders.

lol no they are not. They were all played in the striker support role over many seasons in the top flight. As was downing last season who is also very similar to that list I previously suggested. Heskey is another, followed by Carroll, Crouch, in his younger days Wright-Phillips played that role. Bent used to play that role for us, with Les Ferdinand being the scorer. Hume did it with fryatt being the scorer. Dickov did it with various other players being the scorers. Collymore was very similar. It goes on.

roblcfc84

roblcfc84

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Anyone who says nugent is crap, in my opinion, doesn't understand the finer points of the game - movement, vision etc and looks at nothing but his goal scoring record in the PL

BigMicky

BigMicky

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Nugent hasn't got a goal in him. Why have him at the club he is dreadful. He isn't even a ten goals a season man at this level. He puts away penalties but that's about it. Only scored a fair amount in the CHAMPIONSHIP because he scored lots of penalties and had more games than in the premier league.

He has to go, get him off the wage bill and get some money so we can get a decent player. I would rather have Chris Wood ahead of nugent, he is THAT bad.

Edit. Just because you're not a Nugent fan boy and have clarity when you look at your team, not a pathetic man crush, doesn't make you a bad fan. Grow up people. He is a has been player and we have better ones, get rid.

Haha you clown, Chris Wood over Nugent, just highlights the fact you have no idea what you are talking about. Thanks for putting particular words in capitals, is struggle to understand without them.

fleckneymike

fleckneymike

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lol no they are not. They were all played in the striker support role over many seasons in the top flight. As was downing last season who is also very similar to that list I previously suggested. Heskey is another, followed by Carroll, Crouch, in his younger days Wright-Phillips played that role. Bent used to play that role for us, with Les Ferdinand being the scorer. Hume did it with fryatt being the scorer. Dickov did it with various other players being the scorers. Collymore was very similar. It goes on.

 

And your point being?

 

You seem to be just randomly picking player names with little to no appreciation of their respective styles.

 

Nugent is now rated by the club as our fifth choice forward, goals are ultimately why forwards play, as Vardy got just 5 last season we cannot afford to have two non scoring forwards in the line up. Okazaki's record as a forward in Germany indicates that he can bring Nugent's energy with an added goal threat, Ulloa scores, Krameric was bought at great expense to score so Nugent as a non scoring seldom assisting forward is a waste of time. Sell him, buy a better forward and push the next player down the list.

Bert

Bert

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Really? :unsure::huh:

It depends what your name is.

Or what player the fans like to make their scapegoat.

Seen someone say the other week "Nugent don't score enough for me so Gotta get rid" so I replied "if that's the criteria what about Vardy? Him and Nuge scored the same goals last season". Hypocrites galore our fans.

Bert

Bert

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lol no they are not. They were all played in the striker support role over many seasons in the top flight. As was downing last season who is also very similar to that list I previously suggested. Heskey is another, followed by Carroll, Crouch, in his younger days Wright-Phillips played that role. Bent used to play that role for us, with Les Ferdinand being the scorer. Hume did it with fryatt being the scorer. Dickov did it with various other players being the scorers. Collymore was very similar. It goes on.

Not one of them players were or are strikers. Just because they played in behind that does not make them a striker. I can guarantee if you asked them by trade their position, not one of them players would say they were a striker.

Walshy and Elliott played plenty of times up front for us. Strikers? Nah.

fleckneymike

fleckneymike

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It depends what your name is.

Or what player the fans like to make their scapegoat.

Seen someone say the other week "Nugent don't score enough for me so Gotta get rid" so I replied "if that's the criteria what about Vardy? Him and Nuge scored the same goals last season". Hypocrites galore our fans.

 

I hardly think this is a case of scapgoating, it is a rather dispassionate choice between two forwards who struggled for goals. By any objective measurment Vardy enjoyed the better season and represents a bigger threat, sadly for Nugent that now means he is surplus to requirements. The fact that only Championship clubs are in for his is indicative of his standing currently.

katieakita

katieakita

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Been a good player for the club as in past tense and haven't a problem if he stays but he is down the pecking order, to get a fee and free up his wage is good business for the club. I the club do intend to push on players need to be upgraded as shown with us buying 3 strikers since promotion.

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