Jimothy Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 We nearly managed to get a political thread in GC to the third page without somebody mentioning scroungers or benefit claimants, nearly. Typical FoxesTalk.
Buce Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 It isn't different but, again, I don't think I know many people that need to be told that. Some people are thick ****s, most of us don't need to be told to be decent human beings. Yeah, you'd think so. But you're wrong. The majority of posters in this thread appear to think that it's ok to call johnny foreigner a 'diving cheat', but I'd be prepared to bet my house that the same people would be outraged by the same negative epithet if it was applied to blacks. Why is that?
RonnieTodger Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 This particular case against the St Johnstone player is just one of the silliest yet.
Captain... Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 Yeah, you'd think so. But you're wrong. The majority of posters in this thread appear to think that it's ok to call johnny foreigner a 'diving cheat', but I'd be prepared to bet my house that the same people would be outraged by the same negative epithet if it was applied to blacks. Why is that? It is lazy stereotyping, but one that is an accepted truth based on historical evidence, even though it is players like Sterling and Young who have been some of the worst culprits recently. A comment like black players are lazy is based on nothing, there is not a history of black players being lazy, at least not one I know of. South American's are poor goalkeepers, and are all flair and no steel. Asian players are too small and weak for the premier league. African players are strong and powerful but lack discipline. Foreigners don't like it up them, and can't do it on a wet Tuesday night in Stoke. These are not racist comments they are not necessarily true, but stereotyping based on past experiences of players coming over here.
norwichfox Posted 18 August 2015 Author Posted 18 August 2015 Ok, so having thought about this, it's clearly the terminology used that's offensive, so in that regard it was a poor example. Suppose he had said what I origionally poeted? If he'd said something along the lines of, "black players are typically lazy"; would that have been acceptable to you? The point I'm trying to make (probably not very well) is that there are no hard and fast rules about racism: it's accepted you can't call someone a n****r. Does that mean you can't apply a stereotype to black players? Because if it does, surely that means you can't apply a stereotype to 'foreigners'? And, as in cases like this, that is clearly over-sensitive nonsense.
Finnegan Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 Yeah, you'd think so. But you're wrong. The majority of posters in this thread appear to think that it's ok to call johnny foreigner a 'diving cheat', but I'd be prepared to bet my house that the same people would be outraged by the same negative epithet if it was applied to blacks. Why is that? Foxestalk =/= the real world.
yorkie1999 Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 Yeah, you'd think so. But you're wrong. The majority of posters in this thread appear to think that it's ok to call johnny foreigner a 'diving cheat', but I'd be prepared to bet my house that the same people would be outraged by the same negative epithet if it was applied to blacks. Why is that? Not if it was Raheem Sterling, cos he is a diving cheat.
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 I think of all this quite simply. Many people stereotype...almost by default. Many people naturally compartmentalise stuff as it makes their understanding of the world that bit easier. City fans may state that such and such a player is shite because he's just signed for Forest. The merits of the individual player are discounted on account that he's just signed for Forest..and Forest are shite. This can be seen across so many areas of football fanism. In my experience, (and it is only my experience that I can call upon), it's only when you experience people of other colours, creeds and cultures that you realise we are all fundamentally very similar. I work with people from Africa, India, Japan, China and can hand on heart say that many many of these people are the most pleasant and industrious people I've ever worked with. And some aren't. Some of them I don't get on so well with. So, exactly the same as the white British people I work with. Some are great to work with, some aren't. I literally don't look at people in terms of ethnic background...They are just people I work with. Sure, they have their own family lifestyles and cultural beliefs..but they aren't imposed on me or mine. Or vice - versa. We do a job, get on with it and there ya go.. I don't feel any compulsion to have to be politically correct with them..I have no need to..its not in my mindset to have to be if that makes sense. The politically correct agenda seems to be pushed by people with a rocket up their backside...by people wanting to make some sort of point. Maybe people wanting to feather their own nests for some reason. To be able to shout 'I'm better than you because I can make some sort of abstract point which actually, doesn't need to be made'. I love the fact that Leicester is a multi - cultural city. I love driving down the Golden Mile at Festival time. I love Curry, I love Kebabs and I love hearing the stories of the people I work with. I love seeing foreign players in the Premiership. And relate back to possibly the biggest 'diver' of all...Jurgen Klinsmann...who I'm sure is a white German fella and made me laff out loud when he used to fling himself to the floor. How many years is that going back. Live and let live is my motto. But what I don't want is some trumped - up beaureacrat dictating to me how I 'should' think, what I 'should' say. I say what I say and think what I think based on how I was brought up and from what I've learnt.
Babylon Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 Yes people are... like When Benedict Cumberbatch was trying to highlight the issue black actors face in this country compared to the US. He used the word "coloured" and was suddenly lambasted by a load of people. Absolutely mental that someone was trying to highlight an issue and be a positive force with it gets rounded upon. Common sense needs to play it's part. But it's difficult when there are people out there seemingly paid to take offence on others behalf.
shade Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 I think stewart lee hoping that all jeremy clarkson's girls go blind is brilliant.
Jimothy Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 You can't call a spade a spade anymore What would you call it then?
Jimothy Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 A shovel. No, this is a shovel, completely different.
Stadt Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 What would you call it then? I thought it was it was witty personally
Rincewind Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 A garden digging tool. Solrry about my earlier post It was not my intention to bring politics into it just to highlight different types of stereotyping and where the word 'typical' is used. I could have also used typical woman or typical man as examples.
Merging Cultures Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 I think we are over reacting. Calling out foreigners isn't racist. And we know it is just a blanket stereotype that has some truth to it but doesn't mean it is true for all foreigners. Mind you, it also depends how it was said. If there was malice in the tone, then it could be taken by the hearer as offensive. Jokes definitely help break down barriers, but at the same time, it doesn't mean anyone can say anything and laugh it off as a 'joke'. Freedom of speech doesn't imply freedom from consequence.
BoneDog Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 There are 2 sides to this, one is that people have forgotten what true oppression is and why we have anti-racism laws. When you look back in to the not so distant past at how blacks, Asians, women, Irish, gays etc have been treated it was horrendous. I mean truly disgusting, thankfully now in the UK and most of the developed world it is not the case any more. I saw something two days ago that I had no idea had happened. I didn't know that we used to have human zoos with black folk on show up until 1958 in Europe and the US, with Hitler being the man to ban them. I mean, wtf is that all about! (the zoo part starts 1/3rd down the page with the paragraph "One example...") http://www.globalresearch.ca/europes-forgotten-history-from-human-zoos-to-human-trophies-displayed-in-colonial-museums/5469488 It's good to see that society began to change and not accept these things, but I doubt many of the so-called elite changed their outlooks.
Guest Col city fan Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 I saw something two days ago that I had no idea had happened. I didn't know that we used to have human zoos with black folk on show up until 1958 in Europe and the US, with Hitler being the man to ban them. I mean, wtf is that all about! (the zoo part starts 1/3rd down the page with the paragraph "One example...") http://www.globalresearch.ca/europes-forgotten-history-from-human-zoos-to-human-trophies-displayed-in-colonial-museums/5469488 It's good to see that society began to change and not accept these things, but I doubt many of the so-called elite changed their outlooks. Do you mean Adolf Hitler who topped himself in 1945? Did he ban them in Nazi Germany well before 1958 then? Hitler was also against animal cruelty, I'm sure I read, bringing in laws to completely ban animal cruelty and neglect.
BoneDog Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 Do you mean Adolf Hitler who topped himself in 1945? Did he ban them in Nazi Germany well before 1958 then? Hitler was also against animal cruelty, I'm sure I read, bringing in laws to completely ban animal cruelty and neglect. He banned them in the 30's I think. I checked a BBC report about it and they mentioned Hitler banning them too, so it's probably one of history's bizarre facts. Yeah Hitler loved animals, just wasn't so keen on commies (who technically are animals so he was a bit hypocritical!).
Merging Cultures Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 So, we were flicking through tv channels and stumbled on Britain's got Talent. I was surprised to see Mel B on it. My wife said that isn't Mel B. We had to watch for another 5 mins for her to prove to me it wasnt. I then got accused all black people look alike.
Raw Dykes Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 Sorry, man, I forget how hard it must be to be an edgy, alternative white guy in this airy scary world. That master race of Abbots and that-gay-ginger-blokes monitoring your life, beating you down every time you quote Jim Davidson, busting in to your Roy Chubby Brown gigs and rounding up the racists for termination. I live such a privileged life being a soft, wishy, washy socialist. These poor, discriminated ahainat See, this is precisely what I'm talking about. To be fair to you, I think we might be coming from completely different angles on this. It might surprise you to learn that I'm left-leaning myself. I believe in equal rights and opportunities for all. I can't stand prejudice or bigotry. It makes no sense to me to discriminate against people for their gender, race, genes, etc. - basically anything they had no say in. I don't even really like a lot of jokes about such things. In my opinion, anything that was a result of someone's own tastes or decisions is fair game, but I'm not comfortable joking about anything that was outside of the target's own control. Haircut, clothes - fine. Skin colour, disability - not okay. Weight, bad tats - fair game. Ugly features, illness - not so. Having said that, I value freedom of speech very highly, and I'm offended by very little. I think there are too many people today who take their right to free speech as granted. They don't realise that they are lucky that they are able to speak their mind without being shut down, and they can't see anything wrong with trying to silence those who they disagree with. Sometimes even those who agree with them on almost everything. That one small disagreement is enough to make them as good as Nazis in their mind. "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire I was always told to treat people equally. See the person, not the disability. It's a good thing to be colourblind. Now, it's like we've gone past the point of equality, and we are heading down the fastlane to exactly where we were in the bad old days only in reverse. These people are obsessed with identity politics. It's almost like they see their race, gender and sexuality as their whole identity. That's all there is to them. They seem to think all whites/men/heterosexuals have it made, and therefore it's fine to treat them as second-class citizens in order to compensate. Obviously, reality isn't that simple. You can learn very little about someone just going off their gender or skin colour. Does a straight white man who is homeless really have more privilege than Barack Obama? I suppose really, I'm talking about what some disparagingly name "social justice warriors". Reading about what's happening in universities today is pretty horrifying. It's very much like I've just woken up from a coma and found myself in a dystopian future. Have you heard of "trigger warnings" or "safe spaces"? Speakers invited to universities who do not share the "social justice warrior" way of thinking 100% are protested against while other students cower in the corner of a room full of cupcakes, videos of puppies frollicking, calming music and small children's toys. I really wish I was making this up. Tutors have to warn their students whenever their reading material may contain anything that may upset anyone in any way. Some have come out and said that they are now afraid of their students. They are terrified that they will say something, or accidentally hand out literature without forewarning, that could "trigger" a student into a breakdown, which could well result in them losing their job. Young adult students are behaving like infants. I believe they have been trained into behaving this way in order to silence any opposing views. I think it's mostly a problem in the USA, Canada and Sweden, but I don't think we're very far behind at all. You may have caught this story http://goo.gl/8Qz3Rt Incredibly, she got to keep her job as diversity officer after tweeting #killallwhitemen. This is not about left vs. right anymore. It's a relatively small group of authoritarian "progressives" vs. everyone else. One of the worst things about this whole thing is that I keep finding myself agreeing with conservatives on the issue. They've managed to work their way into the top jobs of education, as well as the media and entertainment industry, and have become the establishment. Not agreeing 100% with hardline, race-hate against whites, misandrist radical-feminist dogma does not necessarily make somebody a Jim Davidson fan. As I was typing this, I kept finding myself in a state of disbelief that it was even necessary to write such things in 2015 - the year we were meant to be riding our hoverboards to our flying cars and laughing about how stupid people were in the past. As a kid, I always thought we'd be well on the way past all this rubbish. That'll learn me for being so naively optimistic.
yorkie1999 Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 So, we were flicking through tv channels and stumbled on Britain's got Talent. I was surprised to see Mel B on it. My wife said that isn't Mel B. We had to watch for another 5 mins for her to prove to me it wasnt. I then got accused all black people look alike. So, a bloke i know was in new york, a coloured guy walks up to him, Jist of the conversation. "do you want to buy one of my cd's" "no" was the reply, "why not, is it because i'm black" "no, i dont want a cd" "Its because i'm black init, You're racist" "no i'm not" a few rather large coloured gentlemen surround him and he ends up $20 light in his pocket and a shitty home made cd.
Merging Cultures Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 So, a bloke i know was in new york, a coloured guy walks up to him, Jist of the conversation. "do you want to buy one of my cd's" "no" was the reply, "why not, is it because i'm black" "no, i dont want a cd" "Its because i'm black init, You're racist" "no i'm not" a few rather large coloured gentlemen surround him and he ends up $20 light in his pocket and a shitty home made cd. What colour were they?
The Railway Man Posted 18 August 2015 Posted 18 August 2015 So, a bloke i know was in new york, a coloured guy walks up to him, Jist of the conversation. "do you want to buy one of my cd's" "no" was the reply, "why not, is it because i'm black" "no, i dont want a cd" "Its because i'm black init, You're racist" "no i'm not" a few rather large coloured gentlemen surround him and he ends up $20 light in his pocket and a shitty home made cd. Was happening in Vegas that until they got on top of it.
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