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Paris Shootings

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You can't defeat an ideology, but you can destroy a state. Now Islamic state is an actual physical geographical presence it can be destroyed, that would send what was left underground but it can be killed.

The problem is it can't be the West that kills it, it needs to be the Arab League. Or a combined effort from Muslim nations. If we go storming in we are as likely to create more problems long term.

Unfortunately this, every time the west has tried to intervene in the area we've just created a power vacuum which has allowed in shits like these. We should offer as much support as we can muster, but it needs to be the more moderate nations like Turkey and Jordan, along with the Kurds, that lead the fight and set up in the aftermath

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Yeh but if there are confirmed areas where militants reside then I think the United nations should draft a resolution to target these with small scale nuclear weapons. It's pretty clear we are at war an ld civilian casualties are inevitable.

 

There would be no point in doing that.

ISIS have clearly infiltrated areas across the world, attacking their heart won't kill their mentality, and it won't kill their idelogoy as MattP said.

 

Hirohito didn't surrender after the bombing of Hiroshima, you think the Islamic State - which isn't a country, isn't a designated area, has no actual home - would 'surrender' or lay down their arms across the world?? There's not a chance. The more damage we cause to ISIS in Syria, the more rogue and guerilla their attemps in jihad will be.

 

Individual, small scale operations tagteing important figures, and infrastructure so Al-Assad and Putin can regain control of Syria is necessary to the handling of the ISIS threat, not nuking them..

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There would be no point in doing that.

ISIS have clearly infiltrated areas across the world, attacking their heart won't kill their mentality, and it won't kill their idelogoy as MattP said.

 

Hirohito didn't surrender after the bombing of Hiroshima, you think the Islamic State - which isn't a country, isn't a designated area, has no actual home - would 'surrender' or lay down their arms across the world?? There's not a chance. The more damage we cause to ISIS in Syria, the more rogue and guerilla their attemps in jihad will be.

 

Individual, small scale operations tagteing important figures, and infrastructure so Al-Assad and Putin can regain control of Syria is necessary to the handling of the ISIS threat, not nuking them..

 

The West is not going to give up Syria, and neither is Russia. The underlying geographical importance to both for the control of resource is too important to them and to Russia.

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The West is not going to give up Syria, and neither is Russia. The underlying geographical importance to both for the control of resource is too important to them and to Russia.

 

I know - but in terms of humanitarian and global stability, the best course of action is to regain control of Syria, end the civil war, and allow refugees in Lebanon and Turkey to go back home safely.

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Really tough fighting such an extreme twisted ideology

If you don't give a shit about your own life you aren't going to care about that of others

The internet fuels the radicalisation of those within our own societies.

It's like fighting shadows. Credit to the security services for stopping the attacks that have been thwarted.

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Educations been a great success so far.

 

Stupid comment.

 

We haven't been educating with regards to this type of thing. We spend all our time trying to get people to spell words correctly and do maths. There is very little moral education or community education or educating people to get along with others and help others. We spend our time highlighting differencies and not looking at communalities. Society, the government and the media in particular devote itself to devisive measures. 

 

Successive governments have led us further down the track of education for capitalist gains not societal community gains.

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Hollande has essentially said IS have declared war on France. Expect a step up in military strikes. Will Russia step aside or co-operate? They have a plane full of citizens to avenge. 

 

He said the same after the charlie Hebdo attacks. Increased the number of people walking around with guns and gained popularity in the polls for a few months.

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Yeh but if there are confirmed areas where militants reside then I think the United nations should draft a resolution to target these with small scale nuclear weapons. It's pretty clear we are at war an ld civilian casualties are inevitable.

 

It's fighting in areas that are little of our concern and then dictating how those people should live that have greatly escalated the problem in the West and France in particular.

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On a different note, this will be nothing (I hope) but the North terminal at Gatwick Airport has been evacuated due to a security alert.

 

reports ranging from "suspicious package" to "man with gun" to "hand grenades in suitcase". hopefully just sensationalism on twitter making stuff up. 

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I'm just concerned now that IS will retaliate over our part in killing Jihadi John and Cameron's praise of it.

 

If they could attack England they would - jihadi john has nothing to do with it.

 

Thankfully the culture in England has been educated much more harmoniously than France over the last few decades so it is more difficult for the extremists to get a foot in but that has changed more recently (since at least the Blair years). also Britian's experience of the IRA has helped them with intel and security measures.

 

The French didn't handle Algeria very well and their arrogance towards "others" is far too blatant. 

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reports ranging from "suspicious package" to "man with gun" to "hand grenades in suitcase". hopefully just sensationalism on twitter making stuff up. 

 

I know. I've seen "gun". I'm just following Air News as always.

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If they could attack England they would - jihadi john has nothing to do with it.

Thankfully the culture in England has been educated much more harmoniously than France over the last few decades so it is more difficult for the extremists to get a foot in but that has changed more recently (since at least the Blair years). also Britian's experience of the IRA has helped them with intel and security measures.

The French didn't handle Algeria very well and their arrogance towards "others" is far too blatant.

lol

Don't be so naïve.

Attacks can come anywhere.

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it won't just be the French who'll be getting out the weapons catalogue following this.

 

It's not the answer. It's a knee jerk political popularity move.

 

Walking down a Parisian street after charlie Hebdo seeing army personnel with automatic weapons didn't make any thinking person feel safer and it certainly wouldn't have stopped any planned attack.

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lol

Don't be so naïve.

Attacks can come anywhere.

 

I understand that.

 

It wasn't my point.

 

The UK is a high priority target and yet all recent attempts have been foiled by UK security forces. IS want to attack England badly but have so far failed. It's so much easier in a disenchanted France with easy borders and poor intercultural relations.

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