Guest Col city fan Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 What a truely horrible world we live in. Which is exactly what the terrorists want us to believe isn't it? We live in a beautiful world with great and loving people all over the globe. Unfortunately, the actions of a few make us believe otherwise.
The Doctor Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 You can't defeat an ideology, but you can destroy a state. Now Islamic state is an actual physical geographical presence it can be destroyed, that would send what was left underground but it can be killed. The problem is it can't be the West that kills it, it needs to be the Arab League. Or a combined effort from Muslim nations. If we go storming in we are as likely to create more problems long term. Unfortunately this, every time the west has tried to intervene in the area we've just created a power vacuum which has allowed in shits like these. We should offer as much support as we can muster, but it needs to be the more moderate nations like Turkey and Jordan, along with the Kurds, that lead the fight and set up in the aftermath
sphericalfox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Reports are coming in that the one of the cars used was Belgian.
Wymsey Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Despite the obvious, it wouldn't put me off going to France in the future. Genuinely one of the nicest set of nationals around.
Saxondale Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Absolutely disgusting. The cowardice of these 'people' is beyond comprehension. Sneaking around and attacking innocent members of the public justs shows what weak-minded shits these creatures are.
RedSoxUK Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Yeh but if there are confirmed areas where militants reside then I think the United nations should draft a resolution to target these with small scale nuclear weapons. It's pretty clear we are at war an ld civilian casualties are inevitable. There would be no point in doing that. ISIS have clearly infiltrated areas across the world, attacking their heart won't kill their mentality, and it won't kill their idelogoy as MattP said. Hirohito didn't surrender after the bombing of Hiroshima, you think the Islamic State - which isn't a country, isn't a designated area, has no actual home - would 'surrender' or lay down their arms across the world?? There's not a chance. The more damage we cause to ISIS in Syria, the more rogue and guerilla their attemps in jihad will be. Individual, small scale operations tagteing important figures, and infrastructure so Al-Assad and Putin can regain control of Syria is necessary to the handling of the ISIS threat, not nuking them..
sphericalfox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 There would be no point in doing that. ISIS have clearly infiltrated areas across the world, attacking their heart won't kill their mentality, and it won't kill their idelogoy as MattP said. Hirohito didn't surrender after the bombing of Hiroshima, you think the Islamic State - which isn't a country, isn't a designated area, has no actual home - would 'surrender' or lay down their arms across the world?? There's not a chance. The more damage we cause to ISIS in Syria, the more rogue and guerilla their attemps in jihad will be. Individual, small scale operations tagteing important figures, and infrastructure so Al-Assad and Putin can regain control of Syria is necessary to the handling of the ISIS threat, not nuking them.. The West is not going to give up Syria, and neither is Russia. The underlying geographical importance to both for the control of resource is too important to them and to Russia.
RedSoxUK Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 The West is not going to give up Syria, and neither is Russia. The underlying geographical importance to both for the control of resource is too important to them and to Russia. I know - but in terms of humanitarian and global stability, the best course of action is to regain control of Syria, end the civil war, and allow refugees in Lebanon and Turkey to go back home safely.
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 On a different note, this will be nothing (I hope) but the North terminal at Gatwick Airport has been evacuated due to a security alert.
Mike Oxlong Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Really tough fighting such an extreme twisted ideology If you don't give a shit about your own life you aren't going to care about that of others The internet fuels the radicalisation of those within our own societies. It's like fighting shadows. Credit to the security services for stopping the attacks that have been thwarted.
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Educations been a great success so far. Stupid comment. We haven't been educating with regards to this type of thing. We spend all our time trying to get people to spell words correctly and do maths. There is very little moral education or community education or educating people to get along with others and help others. We spend our time highlighting differencies and not looking at communalities. Society, the government and the media in particular devote itself to devisive measures. Successive governments have led us further down the track of education for capitalist gains not societal community gains.
Buzzell Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 ISIS confirm they are behind it according to Sky News.
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Hollande has essentially said IS have declared war on France. Expect a step up in military strikes. Will Russia step aside or co-operate? They have a plane full of citizens to avenge. He said the same after the charlie Hebdo attacks. Increased the number of people walking around with guns and gained popularity in the polls for a few months.
Wymsey Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 I'm just concerned now that IS will retaliate over our part in killing Jihadi John and Cameron's praise of it.
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Yeh but if there are confirmed areas where militants reside then I think the United nations should draft a resolution to target these with small scale nuclear weapons. It's pretty clear we are at war an ld civilian casualties are inevitable. It's fighting in areas that are little of our concern and then dictating how those people should live that have greatly escalated the problem in the West and France in particular.
sphericalfox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 He said the same after the charlie Hebdo attacks. Increased the number of people walking around with guns and gained popularity in the polls for a few months. it won't just be the French who'll be getting out the weapons catalogue following this.
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 ISIS confirm they are behind it according to Say News. That is no surprise. Daily Express claim that ISIS have said Britain is next.
ScouseFox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 On a different note, this will be nothing (I hope) but the North terminal at Gatwick Airport has been evacuated due to a security alert. reports ranging from "suspicious package" to "man with gun" to "hand grenades in suitcase". hopefully just sensationalism on twitter making stuff up.
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 In a statement published online, the jihadist group said the attacks were designed to show France it remained a "top target".
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 I'm just concerned now that IS will retaliate over our part in killing Jihadi John and Cameron's praise of it. If they could attack England they would - jihadi john has nothing to do with it. Thankfully the culture in England has been educated much more harmoniously than France over the last few decades so it is more difficult for the extremists to get a foot in but that has changed more recently (since at least the Blair years). also Britian's experience of the IRA has helped them with intel and security measures. The French didn't handle Algeria very well and their arrogance towards "others" is far too blatant.
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 reports ranging from "suspicious package" to "man with gun" to "hand grenades in suitcase". hopefully just sensationalism on twitter making stuff up. I know. I've seen "gun". I'm just following Air News as always.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 If they could attack England they would - jihadi john has nothing to do with it. Thankfully the culture in England has been educated much more harmoniously than France over the last few decades so it is more difficult for the extremists to get a foot in but that has changed more recently (since at least the Blair years). also Britian's experience of the IRA has helped them with intel and security measures. The French didn't handle Algeria very well and their arrogance towards "others" is far too blatant. Don't be so naïve. Attacks can come anywhere.
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 it won't just be the French who'll be getting out the weapons catalogue following this. It's not the answer. It's a knee jerk political popularity move. Walking down a Parisian street after charlie Hebdo seeing army personnel with automatic weapons didn't make any thinking person feel safer and it certainly wouldn't have stopped any planned attack.
Saxondale Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 ISIS confirm they are behind it according to Sky News. TBH, they would claim that regardless.
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Don't be so naïve. Attacks can come anywhere. I understand that. It wasn't my point. The UK is a high priority target and yet all recent attempts have been foiled by UK security forces. IS want to attack England badly but have so far failed. It's so much easier in a disenchanted France with easy borders and poor intercultural relations.
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