Harry - LCFC Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Horrifying. One of the thoughts that came to me fairly early after hearing this was "was this a one-off?", a rare, well-organised strike that we won't see often or something we ought to expect more of? I don't know but I don't feel terribly comfortable at the moment. Stop pissing about with multi-culturalism as it doesn't work and get tough on Islam. Close the Madrasas for a start .inter the hate preachers and ban the Burka. If they don't like it tough, clear off to another country. Silly lefties will whinge , but Islam is the problem and we can't keep making politically correct excuses or these events will happen over and over again. I simply can't see how this would do any good at all. Restricting the freedom of religion of the entire Muslim population will will not make them integrate with the host country and will not reduce radicalisation. Policies intended to prevent terrorist attacks have to target the minority within a minority - those with a paritcularly barbaric interpretation of their religion. I think European countries need to introduce strict checks on young me from Arab countries. Once these people get in it must be very hard to stop them from acting.
lifted*fox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Stop pissing about with multi-culturalism But you keep making excuses if it makes you feel better,Ostrich You lost all credibility with that first comment. Think before you type instead of making excuses once you've been pulled up on something. Makes you look like a c*nt tbh.
Matt Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 I don't want moderate, humane Muslims persecuted either. But i'm not ignorant enough to believe that there aren't many Muslims broadly sympathetic to ISIS. Sending your kids to Mosque school at the age of 7 every night after school is not normal behaviour and the Muslims I know say they are often taught by un-educated young people who are radical. But you keep making excuses if it makes you feel better,Ostrich This and the same goes for other religions, i'm not just pointing the finger at Muslims, far from it. Religion on a whole is brianwashing and the thing I find most shocking is they brainwash kids at the earliest opportunity.
bovril Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Because of the time difference I didn't even know about it until I walked past the French embassy a couple of hours ago. I agree this will be a watershed moment. We'll see more authoritarianism, tighter borders and security. Maybe that's necessary but it'll affect us all unfortunately.
sphericalfox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 This and the same goes for other religions, i'm not just pointing the finger at Muslims, far from it. Religion on a whole is brianwashing and the thing I find most shocking is they brainwash kids at the earliest opportunity. Being a Irish Catholic and not really practising as per most of my generation, I can still see religion doing good, actually more good than bad believe it or not. Setting values, good behaviours and aiding in levels of unselfishness that arguably out weigh the minority of radicals within the population of the world causing shitstorms for whatever twisted ideology they support.
Matt Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Being a Irish Catholic and not really practising as per most of my generation, I can still see religion doing good, actually more good than bad believe it or not. Setting values, good behaviours and aiding in levels of unselfishness that arguably out weigh the minority of radicals within the population of the world causing shitstorms for whatever twisted ideology they support. That just called being a good citizen, you don't need religion to teach that. I certainly don't anyway and wouldn't expect anyone else to be, common sense and a good upbringing should be enough to do that.
inckley fox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Stop pissing about with multi-culturalism as it doesn't work and get tough on Islam. Close the Madrasas for a start .inter the hate preachers and ban the Burka. If they don't like it tough, clear off to another country. Silly lefties will whinge , but Islam is the problem and we can't keep making politically correct excuses or these events will happen over and over again. It's a two-sided coin. Western ignorance, hatred and aggression on the one side; the fundamentalist Islamic equivalent on the other. The two flip-sides feed off each other, both in terms of their ideology and their outcomes. If you've the appetite for a new crusade, and it sounds like you have, then a good starting point might be to keep some of those opinions to yourself and fight them wherever you hear them. Because every time a US senator, a televangelist, a loose UKIP cannon or a newspaper comes out with this sort of drivel we seem to make ourselves another few thousand terrorists. The last fourteen years of 'getting tough on Islam' - from banning the Burka in several countries, as if that makes any difference, to restricting the freedom of speech of 'hate clerics', attacking Iraq, attacking Afghanistan, removing Gaddafi, Guantanamo, the Anti-terrorism Crime and Security bill - must have passed you by. And its consequence? ISIS, naturally. But yes, Islam is the problem. The only problem. Not us, not at all. Except for the politically correct lefties, of course.
ScouseFox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Because of the time difference I didn't even know about it until I walked past the French embassy a couple of hours ago. I agree this will be a watershed moment. We'll see more authoritarianism, tighter borders and security. Maybe that's necessary but it'll affect us all unfortunately. you seem normal and half clever so; a) what affects will it have on me? and b) why do the news keep calling them "so-called" islamic state? what does the "so-called" bit mean? is that like their stage name but to their mates they're called something else? is that their version of pele?
sphericalfox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 That just called being a good citizen, you don't need religion to teach that. I certainly don't anyway and wouldn't expect anyone else to be, common sense and a good upbringing should be enough to do that. Yet it exists... and isn't going anywhere whilst the big round glowy thing in the sky is there. It's a reinforcement of belief whatever source it comes from, and the belief system is primarily for good. Not revenge, not acrimony, nor destruction of other religions. There are nutters who like to take those fundamentally peaceful scripts and twist them around a violent and hostile ideology, and lust for power. Then there's those who instigate and put fuel on the fire for other reasons.
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 No, because normal people live there too. Sadly no one cares, so many innocents caught up in this from both sides neither of whom wanted any involvement. If bombing the whole place to (try and) eliminate ISIS is the only option then it should happen. Normal people do live there but we've just seen normal people mass murdered yesterday and attacks like this will only continue. There's nothing to be done, it's too late. If we go in and bomb they'll only want to attack us but we're at a point where they only want to attack us anyway.
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Stop pissing about with multi-culturalism as it doesn't work and get tough on Islam. Close the Madrasas for a start .inter the hate preachers and ban the Burka. If they don't like it tough, clear off to another country. Silly lefties will whinge , but Islam is the problem and we can't keep making politically correct excuses or these events will happen over and over again. multi-culturalism is the only hope. You sound like Hitler. I agree on the hate preachers but banning an item of clothing is simply stupid. Perhaps we should ban the hoodie to and eliminate urban crime. Islam isn't the problem but whilst close minded fools think it is extremism will get worse and the problem will degenerate.
Samilktray Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 If bombing the whole place to (try and) eliminate ISIS is the only option then it should happen. Normal people do live there but we've just seen normal people mass murdered yesterday and attacks like this will only continue. There's nothing to be done, it's too late. If we go in and bomb they'll only want to attack us but we're at a point where they only want to attack us anyway. You can't really use innocent people being killed as a reason to justify other innocent people being killed.
lifted*fox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 If bombing the whole place to (try and) eliminate ISIS is the only option then it should happen. Normal people do live there but we've just seen normal people mass murdered yesterday and attacks like this will only continue. So they find out there's terrorists living in the house next to your family but they can't accurately bomb ONLY that house and they have to bomb your families house as well, who have nothing to do with it. You're OK with that? Sure you are pal. Sure you are.
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 You can't really use innocent people being killed as a reason to justify other innocent people being killed. No I can't but what else is there to do? As I said it's like too late now...
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 I don't want moderate, humane Muslims persecuted either. But i'm not ignorant enough to believe that there aren't many Muslims broadly sympathetic to ISIS. Sending your kids to Mosque school at the age of 7 every night after school is not normal behaviour and the Muslims I know say they are often taught by un-educated young people who are radical. But you keep making excuses if it makes you feel better,Ostrich You are the ostrich. Should kids be sent to catholic school (GB is not a catholic country) from the age of 5? should it be banned? Should neither of the previous 2 options be taken?
Kitchandro Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 multi-culturalism is the only hope. You sound like Hitler. I agree on the hate preachers but banning an item of clothing is simply stupid. Perhaps we should ban the hoodie to and eliminate urban crime. Islam isn't the problem but whilst close minded fools think it is extremism will get worse and the problem will degenerate. Multiculturalism is the cause of all this shit. If you allow people to get caught up in thinking their religion is their whole world and their culture better than the one that dominates the country they live in it will only lead to things like this. People need to decide what's more important, people or their faith. Islam IS the problem. It's a problem whether people are getting blown up or not. It causes division and that is bad for society.
BigMicky Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 If bombing the whole place to (try and) eliminate ISIS is the only option then it should happen. Normal people do live there but we've just seen normal people mass murdered yesterday and attacks like this will only continue. There's nothing to be done, it's too late. If we go in and bomb they'll only want to attack us but we're at a point where they only want to attack us anyway. Why do they want to attack us?
Guest Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 This and the same goes for other religions, i'm not just pointing the finger at Muslims, far from it. Religion on a whole is brianwashing and the thing I find most shocking is they brainwash kids at the earliest opportunity. But religion exists. FYI France bans religious teaching at school and has banned the Burka - works well doesn't it?
EastAnglianFox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 The game at Wembley on Tuesday goes ahead as planned! Brilliant decision imo
BigMicky Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Multiculturalism is the cause of all this shit. If you allow people to get caught up in thinking their religion is their whole world and their culture better than the one that dominates the country they live in it will only lead to things like this. People need to decide what's more important, people or their faith. Islam IS the problem. It's a problem whether people are getting blown up or not. It causes division and that is bad for society. What started all of this?? It wasn't Islam.
Guest Col city fan Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Balls to all the using religion as an excuse. It's just an excuse. These people want to hate. They are indoctrinated to hate and to kill and do so in the name of religion. Is religion the problem? No...its some PEOPLE who are the problem. It always has been and will always be so. I live and work with quite a few Muslims. All of whom, I would be very very surprised, if they weren't as shocked at last night as any of us.
Fox92 Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Religion isn't to blame. These people are evil and brainwashed. Don't confuse Religion with extremism.
Matt Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 multi-culturalism is the only hope. You sound like Hitler. I agree on the hate preachers but banning an item of clothing is simply stupid. Perhaps we should ban the hoodie to and eliminate urban crime. Islam isn't the problem but whilst close minded fools think it is extremism will get worse and the problem will degenerate. I hear you and somewhat agree with you but I do have problems with the Burka, which you compare to a hoodie - Years ago wasn't there a big hoo-har about banning the hoodie from shopping centres to stop crime and violence? 'Hug a hoodie' and all that. I have no problem with head scalf but a full burka, it could be anyone. I know that's a generalisation but it's true. I can't quite remember the story (Shows how important it was I guess) but a few years ago didn't someone get through airport security dressing in his sister Burka? I will always go back to a personal experience, I was in an airport going through security, I was wearing a baseball cap, I was told (In quite a stroppy manner by the security) to remove it, which I duly did, however the people infront of me were wearing a turban, now I have no problems whatsoever with that do not get me wrong there, and they go through without any hassle, what was the difference? Trival scenario but one that still baffles me.
lifted*fox Posted 14 November 2015 Posted 14 November 2015 Multiculturalism is the cause of all this shit. If you allow people to get caught up in thinking their religion is their whole world and their culture better than the one that dominates the country they live in it will only lead to things like this. People need to decide what's more important, people or their faith. Islam IS the problem. It's a problem whether people are getting blown up or not. It causes division and that is bad for society. You are so full of shit it's unreal.
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