Paris Shootings

[Collymore]

If you've seen some of the tweets and comments on Facebook you'll understand why they've had to point out her religion.

This is some bloke who owns a restaurant though...

[Dr The Singh]

This is some bloke who owns a restaurant though...

Yes, he did a good thing!!!  

 

The media machine will use this for a governments agenda to put Muslims in good light......happens all the time!!!

[Thracian]

It won't be true Muslims they recruit but those that they convert who believe that injustice has been done by Westerners.

 

 

How exactly do you define a "true" Muslim?

Seems to me that what you have in the Muslim world is people (or more importantly their leaders such as the Imams) who interpret the Koran in different ways and there is often a world of difference between the two.

Either way their faith is non negotiable and Muslims can act in any lawful way they choose so long as they can show it furthers the cause of Islam.

That is why they can serve on UK councils and in a government that is not run on Islamic lines. If it were not the case that they were "furthering their cause" such association would be forbidden.

[Fox92]

I'm not surprised my initial thought was they were trying to get into the stadium, but also incredibly sadenned that football games are now a target for terrorists.

 

Easy target though isn't it. You don't get searched upon entry (as a home fan) and you've got about 30000/+ people in one place.

[Guest]

I haven't seen anything on the news here or in the papers about this suicide bomber stopped at the football ground that some are mentioning.

 

What happened? I guess he didn't blow himself up and he wasn't arrested because otherwise we'd know.

 

Is it a true story or just another media story?

 

Thanks 

[Thracian]

If you've seen some of the tweets and comments on Facebook you'll understand why they've had to point out her religion.

 

If you've seen some of the tweets and comments on Facebook you'll understand why they've had to point out her religion.

 

 

The BBC has ideological activists as keen to promote their way of thinking as any zealot.

But, in reality, the religion of a rescuer probably has no relevance whatsoever.

If you saw someone in trouble, would you give the slightest thought to their religion or race? I doubt it.

You'd just do what you could to help.

That wouldn't say anything about your views except that you'd naturally help anyone n a crisis like when they are being attacked, bullied or had been taken ill, for example.         

[Guest]

The BBC has ideological activists as keen to promote their way of thinking as any zealot.

But, in reality, the religion of a rescuer probably has no relevance whatsoever.

If you saw someone in trouble, would you give the slightest thought to their religion or race? I doubt it.

You'd just do what you could to help.

That wouldn't say anything about your views except that you'd naturally help anyone n a crisis like when they are being attacked, bullied or had been taken ill, for example.         

 

considering everyone is blaming "muslims" I think the religion of the rescuer DOES have some relevance.

[Webbo]

considering everyone is blaming "muslims" I think the religion of the rescuer DOES have some relevance.

If the BBC headline was"Muslim attacks woman" would it be relevant then?

[Thracian]

Yes, he did a good thing!!!  

 

The media machine will use this for a governments agenda to put Muslims in good light......happens all the time!!!

 

Yes, he did a good thing!!!  

 

The media machine will use this for a governments agenda to put Muslims in good light......happens all the time!!!

 

 

 

Yes but why? For ideological reasons, strategic reasons like attracting viewers/readers/listeners,  because people with vested interests are within the corridors of power promoting their own agenda, because they're obliged to under Human Rights guidance or because they're scared and under threat? There's very little genuinely unbiased independence and truly free speech within the media any more than there is in here. We are all shackled far more than we realise and in countless ways.   

[Thracian]

Without wanting to show disrespect I'd say that the majority of British know and care little about Northern Ireland (other than a tilted view of the IRA and British army). And tbh there are a lot of similarities to be drawn between the IRA and IS. Northern Ireland is all about 2 bubble communities and the lack of respect for culture and customs.

 

Without wanting to show disrespect I'd say that the majority of British know and care little about Northern Ireland (other than a tilted view of the IRA and British army). And tbh there are a lot of similarities to be drawn between the IRA and IS. Northern Ireland is all about 2 bubble communities and the lack of respect for culture and customs.

 

 

The Peace Settlement which officially ended The Troubles of Northern Ireland actually gives some scant hope for the situation in Iraq/Syria because what seemed like an everlasting impasse between long-time enemies was finally resolved for the greater good of a community that had mostly had enough of living in fear all the time.

For this British person and more particularly for part of his family The Troubles were up close and personal with bombing, killing, extortion the lot. We did care, and a damned good job it ended. There's a proposed settlement being evolved in Syria at the moment which may take as long to put together as the agreement in Northern Ireland. Eighteen months to three years is the projection and we should all hope it comes about.     Because Wars generally solve nothing.      

[Thracian]

considering everyone is blaming "muslims" I think the religion of the rescuer DOES have some relevance.

 

 

Perhaps you'd explain why?

 

I'd happily help or rescue Muslims if the need and opportunity arose and have done on many occasions. I might even like and have Muslims as friends...as happens to be the case. But none of that necessarily says anything about what I think about Muslims collectively, or their impact on this country.

[Fox92]

 

 

Several weapons found in abandoned car in Paris suburb, supporting theory that some Paris Attacks gunmen escaped

[Illusion35]

I haven't seen anything on the news here or in the papers about this suicide bomber stopped at the football ground that some are mentioning.

What happened? I guess he didn't blow himself up and he wasn't arrested because otherwise we'd know.

Is it a true story or just another media story?

Thanks

Just saw this story on sky news - they said he had a ticket for the game and was trying to get into the stadium but when they patted him down at the entrance they found he was wearing an explosives vest - which he then detonated. So does look as if he was trying to get in to set it off inside but got stopped

[MikeyT]

MikeyT is out there at the moment, he posted on Facebook he's safe in his hotel.

Went there with some uni mates to the Paris Photo event. We were sat in a bar two streets away from where the gunmen were. We were watching the France v Germany game when the barman came running up to change the channel. I don't speak French but all he said at first was "bomb" so obviously we scarpered. We headed back to our hotel room and the hotel went on lockdown. We all just sat watching the news.. It was just siren after siren all night. Not ashamed to say we were frightened a lot. Next morning we only discovered it was as close as it was to us We were supposed to stay there till this afternoon, but we managed to get Eurostar back to St. Pancras last night. 

All i can say is that the French people we met in the bar on several occasions prior to the attacks and after couldn't have been more friendly, welcoming and generous. My heart goes out to them all. 

[Dr The Singh]

Yes but why? For ideological reasons, strategic reasons like attracting viewers/readers/listeners, because people with vested interests are within the corridors of power promoting their own agenda, because they're obliged to under Human Rights guidance or because they're scared and under threat? There's very little genuinely unbiased independence and truly free speech within the media any more than there is in here. We are all shackled far more than we realise and in countless ways.

Peace/ harmony and votes. 2million Muslims in UK, there voice counts

[Dr The Singh]

considering everyone is blaming "muslims" I think the religion of the rescuer DOES have some relevance.

I don't think anyone is blaming ALL Muslims????

[Harry - LCFC]

Contrary..it proves its not religous.Mis quoting the Qur'an for criminal acts is blasphemy.

Quoting from the Qur'an, on Vice and your so called enemy is blasphemy, more ever hypocritical.

These guys ply drugs among their own, mis treat women among themselves.

Proving their beliefs are not based on anything religous or of their prophet mohammed, but just

a basic need for individual power, like any common gangster.

These groups are feared and hated by their own, there is not one human cell of kindness within their acts on their

fellowmen. Not forgetting such groups have succeeded in killing thousands /milions over the 100s of years of their

own countrymen and of their own religious ilk, alot more than they have ,of the so called non believers.

No matter under what name they have changed to, or under what even more extremes they believe they follow.

Drug pushing, enslaving women has prostitutes, murdering within, or outside their own beliefs, means one thing only

YOU ARE A VIOLENT GANGSTER, forcing children of others to do your own dirty work..

Neither Allah or Iblees will be welcoming any of you....

 

If you can stand there and say with a straight face that someone isn't motivated by their religion when they explicitly tell you they're doing this for their God (and have been saying so for years) then you're lost. You have chosen to ignore the reality in front of you because you feel uncomfortable about it.

 

The mistake you make in your argument is that you say ISIS can't be religious because they are following an interpretation that you happen to dislike.

 

There are many ways to interpret one's religion. For example, the first Surah in the Qur'an says that unbelievers will face a "great punishment" from Allah. I'm sure most Muslims don't agree with this. Are they not real Muslims then, since they're disagreeing with part of their holy book? Almost every Muslim on the planet will be somewhat selective when they read the Qur'an. Now unless you're going to be consistent and tell me that Muslims who ignore the bit I've quoted aren't true believers too then you are in no position to say that ISIS aren't motivated by their religion, just because you don't like their interpretation.

 

PS - Of course, the sensible thing to do would be to conclude that the Qur'an is a crap book full of contradictory nonsense that isn't worth bothering with. But that's just my opinion...

[Rincewind]

Donald Trump has said the outcome would  have been different if the civilians had  guns. 

Yes it may have been. There would have been more attackers with bigger guns and bombs. There would have been panic amongst the crowd with them not knowing who was the good or bad guys resulting in more deaths.

The man's a fool.

[Dr The Singh]

Donald Trump has said the outcome would  have been different if the civilians had  guns. 

Yes it may have been. There would have been more attackers with bigger guns and bombs. There would have been panic amongst the crowd with them not knowing who was the good or bad guys resulting in more deaths.

The man's a fool.

I really hope he becomes the next US president!!

[Trav Le Bleu]

Went there with some uni mates to the Paris Photo event. We were sat in a bar two streets away from where the gunmen were. We were watching the France v Germany game when the barman came running up to change the channel. I don't speak French but all he said at first was "bomb" so obviously we scarpered. We headed back to our hotel room and the hotel went on lockdown. We all just sat watching the news.. It was just siren after siren all night. Not ashamed to say we were frightened a lot. Next morning we only discovered it was as close as it was to us We were supposed to stay there till this afternoon, but we managed to get Eurostar back to St. Pancras last night. 

All i can say is that the French people we met in the bar on several occasions prior to the attacks and after couldn't have been more friendly, welcoming and generous. My heart goes out to them all.

Glad you're ok Mikey. Your description of the barman shouting "bomb" though just makes me think of Peter Sellers as Inspector Clouseau. Is this wrong?

[Trav Le Bleu]

I don't think anyone is blaming ALL Muslims????

Unless you mean EVERYONE, not ANYONE, then I think you're being naive at best.

Personally, the people who believe all Muslims are evil and should be destroyed, are as bad as ISIS members who want to wipe out the evil western world, in my eyes. Also amongst both groups there will be people, often weak-minded, follow the crowd sheep types, who are simply misguided rather than being truly evil.

[Manwell Pablo]

I don't think anyone is blaming ALL Muslims????

Just ignore fif pro wum

[Collymore]

The BBC has a link on it's news home page that is called " Muslim who saved two women" 

 

I have no idea why the BBC feel the need to use religion in the headline. Do people seriously think that it's Christians running around saving people with Muslims standing there chucking stones at them or something? Poor from the BBC really...

 

In fact, the BBC's coverage of the whole event has been very disappointing. They seem hours behind the other news outlets - I wake up to their breaking news knowing it from the day before!

They've now changed the word "Muslim" to "restaurant worker"

[Dr The Singh]

They've now changed the word "Muslim" to "restaurant worker"

They've obviously been on foxestalk

Just ignore fif pro wum

Taa Manpabs

[Guest]

If the BBC headline was"Muslim attacks woman" would it be relevant then?

 

Good point.

 

However the news is that.