Paris Shootings

[Strokes]

People who hate this country or the west aren't very good at hiding it, it's time to stop treating this situation with kid gloves and actually look at a way of protecting our people. We can't just allow these monsters to live amongst us and rely on the security services, else we will be next. I'm not sure how we go about it but they are winning the fight as things stand that's for sure, as each of our freedoms gets removed it's another victory for extremism. I'm not sure true freedom can ever exist in a world with such hatred.

[Fox92]

BREAK One of Paris attacks assailants entered the EU through Greece as a refugee LAST MONTH

 

I'd say I'm not surprised but I'd probably get criticized. 

[David Guiza]

First of all, can I would like to pass on my respects to those lost and anybody that has suffered as a result. Terrorism is a sickness, a vile cowardly act that serves no purpose, no justice, simply revenge.

 

However, some of the things I have read on social media in response have really angered me. Such as the following:-

1) That’s it, bring back national service. That’s the only way to beat them.

Yes lets revert back to a time where people had no choice but to serve their country, leading inexperienced men and women to lose their lives at worst and have severe psychopathic trauma at best. Fighting fire with a bigger fire just leads to mass destruction.

 

2) It’s time to stop sitting back and take action.

Of course I completely agree, action needs to be taken. Sitting back is the equivalent of lying down and accepting defeat. Allowing terrorists to walk all over the innocent.

 

3) People sharing articles from absolute shit rags like The Sun and The Daily Star, the soul purpose of which is to scare monger and incite hatred.

Yes, I do not expect everybody to research the reasons for the attacks, or even read a better class newspaper. But, at least think about what you are sharing. At least read it. Those papers’ are merely writing nonsense with no backup whatsoever in order to a) sell their paper and b) use their words to cause panic and spread hatred - which in turn is picked up by more and more people.

 

4) Assuming that the attacks are born out of nothing.

No, what happened is not justice. It’s not ok and never will be. However, it is so painfully naïve to think that the attacks were not in response to the actions of France, UK, USA etc overseas. Our governments are not innocent in all this, This is a time to pull together and find a definitive answer to this, not too merely blow another third world country/countries to the point of extinction.

[Grewks]

Here is the problem i have with allowing the syrian refugees into EU nations.

 

 

I'm not of the opinion that 'our lives are more valued than theirs'......but Westerners lives should not be endangered as a result of the actions of the East.

[urban.spaceman]

No the police restricted the travel, introduced banning orders and finally got tough with the hooligans. Same needs to happen with the extreme element of Islam. Emphasise what we all should have in common not multi-cultural rubbish promoting our differences. I'm Hindu and as a rule we have integrated into British society whilst keeping our traditions, this is not true of many Muslims.Take a walk around areas with a large Muslim population and see for yourself.

Sadly this can't be said for absolutely everyone - I know many Hindus who have indeed integrated well and in many cases don't take their religious traditions as seriously as others while at the same time I work with one lady who has lived in England since 1979 and until I mentioned that I was going on holiday there in 2013, she'd never heard of Northern Ireland. She'd also never heard of Michael Caine, Royal Albert Hall etc, which I could *perhaps" forgive, but to have lived here for thirty four bloody years, throughout the Troubles and IRA activity in mainland Britain, and to not ever have heard of Northern Ireland just shows how easy it is for someone to be so ignorant of the world she lives in. I know for a fact that, thanks to Sky, she watches only Indian TV and only hears about things happening in the UK if it is on there. {I'm probably most incensed about this because I am of Belfast heritage, point still stands}

It must also be pointed out that while there is a massive problem with non-integration with the Muslim community, you can't tar the whole community with the same brush. Again, there are many who have integrated and consider themselves British over being Muslim - the problem is that there are far more that are quite happy to live (like my Hindu friend) in their home country (or parent's or grandparent's country) and/or culture by proxy.

That's the problem, which makes people so angry about it - as you alluded to, we have ended up with bubble communities that exist within our own where people are able to live according to the laws and customs of their 'home' country (or the 7th century) via their religion.

If people want respect from the native British population then they should respect our country, culture and customs, and follow the example of their brothers and sisters who have. One problematic issue of course, is that Islam in particular is not compatible with Britain or the 21st century in many ways.

[Thracian]

Turns out one of the suicide bombers passed through the Greek Islands as a migrant not long ago. As others anticipated - a tragedy that was made inevitable by humanitarian recklessness. Importing enemies ... you couldn't make it up. I'm all for offering financial and logistical help to those who are genuinely displaced but, for Arab people, it should be in Arab lands.       

[lgfualol]

I'd say I'm not surprised but I'd probably get criticized.

Christ that is not good. ISIS must be rubbing their hands together thinking about all the hatred spreading further, legit refugees escaping violence will feel the affects of this big time.

[Harry - LCFC]

Christ that is not good. ISIS must be rubbing their hands together thinking about all the hatred spreading further, legit refugees escaping violence will feel the affects of this big time.

 

I'm not surprised either. It's not because I hate refugees and indeed I continue to want people in danger to be given sanctuary. The reason I'm not surprised is because I recognised how easy it would be for a member of ISIS to infiltrate the wider group of refugees and pose as one of them.

[Samilktray]

Another guy was frisked when trying to enter the football match and was found to have an explosive vest. Absolutely bonkers.

[inckley fox]

Sadly this can't be said for absolutely everyone - I know many Hindus who have indeed integrated well and in many cases don't take their religious traditions as seriously as others while at the same time I work with one lady who has lived in England since 1979 and until I mentioned that I was going on holiday there in 2013, she'd never heard of Northern Ireland. She'd also never heard of Michael Caine, Royal Albert Hall etc, which I could *perhaps" forgive, but to have lived here for thirty four bloody years, throughout the Troubles and IRA activity in mainland Britain, and to not ever have heard of Northern Ireland just shows how easy it is for someone to be so ignorant of the world she lives in. I know for a fact that, thanks to Sky, she watches only Indian TV and only hears about things happening in the UK if it is on there. {I'm probably most incensed about this because I am of Belfast heritage, point still stands}

It must also be pointed out that while there is a massive problem with non-integration with the Muslim community, you can't tar the whole community with the same brush. Again, there are many who have integrated and consider themselves British over being Muslim - the problem is that there are far more that are quite happy to live (like my Hindu friend) in their home country (or parent's or grandparent's country) and/or culture by proxy.

That's the problem, which makes people so angry about it - as you alluded to, we have ended up with bubble communities that exist within our own where people are able to live according to the laws and customs of their 'home' country (or the 7th century) via their religion.

If people want respect from the native British population then they should respect our country, culture and customs, and follow the example of their brothers and sisters who have. One problematic issue of course, is that Islam in particular is not compatible with Britain or the 21st century in many ways.

 

I think before we get too excited about wanting people from other cultural or ethnic backgrounds to 'respect' our 'culture and customs', we could do with having a serious discussion about what these are. Do we know? We don't have a written constitution and very few 'ethnic Brits' can be too clear about what their culture and customs are; what it is that Britain is meant to stand for in terms of traditional values. Is it great theatre, progressive politics, ground-breaking music, industrial and scientific innovation? Or is it conquering half of the planet, reality TV and football hooliganism?

 

Do most British people understand and appreciate what made John Lennon or Pink Floyd so much more important than One Direction? Or Shakespeare and Dickens better than JK Rowling? Why the NHS and the Welfare State were important and what it took to set them up? The principles our monarchy, or our judiciary, or our government are meant to represent? The impact, good and bad, that our empire-building had on the rest of the world? When I've spoken to people getting emotional about Churchill and our boys on the beaches, they rarely seem to know when and why any of these things actually happened.

 

If your average British citizen had a full appreciation for the impact we've had on the arts, on industry, on international politics; if they understood what our traditions were, our history of cultural integration, and even the opposite, or the good and the bad things that the union jack has represented historically, then we might be able to ask the same of people who come from different cultural backgrounds. But to expect that people from outside of England will understand what it is to be British, the values, tradition and history associated with it, when we don't know ourselves quite what that is, seems a little unrealistic.

[Wymsey]

Really has been a couple of crap days in France, with 7 killed in a high-speed train accident earlier today...

 

Back on topic, it's very impossible to intervene a suicide bomber as how can security diffuse these products?

[Matt]

No-one on here has mentioned (Or I haven't seen it mentioned) that the German national team had to evacuate their hotel earlier in the day due to a bomb scare, wonder if it was linked.

[surrifox]

I'd say I'm not surprised but I'd probably get criticized. 

 

not by me.

 

so the governments' much criticised policy of allowing the resettlement of Syrian families currently waiting in refugee camps in the area  into the UK is  flawed and the intelligence available to them is inferior to that available to the bedwetters who would let in everyone undertaking the perilous crossing from Turkey to the nearest Greek island.

[blueharmie]

That poster on about national service...half the country would be gone I think! Alot have no ties with the countr,wouldn't work.

Although I do agree with it.

[Fox92]

Just following the latest news and press conferences now.

 

Latest:

- 129 dead

- 352 injured

- 99 in critical condition 

[Dr The Singh]

Good to see the brothers help out, true warriors as always. All those fookers criticising religions shoudk see, even though Sikhs are persecuted in France, they are humen beings, we are all human beings, as per Sikh scripture

Sikh temples all over Paris, have taken people in and given sanctuary

http://mic.com/articles/128532/parisians-use-hashtag-porte-ouverte-open-door-for-those-seeking-shelter-amid-attacks

[Dr The Singh]

But religion exists.

FYI France bans religious teaching at school and has banned the Burka - works well doesn't it?

It doesn't work, but I'm glad, that my Sikh brithers, Although persecuted by this law, came out in numbers to support, offer good accommodation and of course they carry the kirpan for protection...

Balls to all the using religion as an excuse.

It's just an excuse.

These people want to hate. They are indoctrinated to hate and to kill and do so in the name of religion. Is religion the problem?

No...its some PEOPLE who are the problem. It always has been and will always be so.

I live and work with quite a few Muslims. All of whom, I would be very very surprised, if they weren't as shocked at last night as any of us.

MAN is the root cause, we kill the planet and ourselves

[Rincewind]

Saw a picture on  Facebook with  the caption France have banned the Burka if you agree Britain should also ban it please share.

I never for two reasons, One I am not sure that wearing a Burka means the person is a certain terrorist and two the person sharing  it on my timeline was my brother in law.

We have got  be careful not to let anger overtake reason. I do not have an answer but we cannot anger the moderate Muslim labeling them as terrorists.

[Dr The Singh]

Oh this is just so stupid.

People can hate by themselves. People who hate don't need a fvcking excuse.

The naivety of some is unreal. Of course it's because of their religion. That's WHY they hate. The hate is caused by that, it's not all an unbelievable coincidence.

Oh and shcoked? Who's shocked? It's happening on a regular basis now.

Let's be clear, you mentioned there religion, how does that a mass to all religions. Religious doctrine s do cause alotnof harm so do political and capital, all can do good, who chooses, it humans, we all have free will, we are the cause, everything is just a excuse, one way or another we all want to excert ojr authority and have the power, its in our genes

[Monk]

A shocking 24 hours for France. Those who did this are cowards of the highest order but the problem of how to deal with this all is a political mine field.

Take no action and ISIS expands. Take action and you risk domestic retaliation. Air strikes clearly not working. I hope that the fact that both Russia and the west have suffered attacks that they start co operating.

I've no idea how strong ISIS is compared to the taliban or al quaeda at their strongest and I despise the idea of military action - but I see little alternative. There is no diplomacy with these savages.

[Dr The Singh]

Multiculturalism is the cause of all this shit.

If you allow people to get caught up in thinking their religion is their whole world and their culture better than the one that dominates the country they live in it will only lead to things like this.

People need to decide what's more important, people or their faith.

Islam IS the problem. It's a problem whether people are getting blown up or not. It causes

Amion and that is bad for society.

I agree to certian extent, I watched thebsikh on the box at Hyde park, done by basics of Sikhi. So the Sikhs as many others who go into Hyde park, spread there message. It's fair to say xtrians etc were interested and polite. The Muslims however turned it I to my shit is better then yours and were very aggressive and unreasonable. As a small sample, if it represents all Muslims, we are in trouble

[Rincewind]

I can only post the link to this. A pianist turned up with a piano on a bike outside where  the shooting was and played a rendition of Imagine.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/Channel4News/videos/10153335182381939/

[stripeyfox]

As if it wasn't bad enough, the people of Paris now have to contend with Kay Burley talking shite all day...

[Dr The Singh]

So we will wait:

 

https://www.rt.com/news/322016-isis-threatens-attacks-video/

[Izzy]

As if it wasn't bad enough, the people of Paris now have to contend with Kay Burley talking shite all day...

I've been watching BBC coverage - some presenter called Tim Willcox. He's got this really smug, arrogant, smerk on his face and was sensationalising it all far too much for my liking.