Paris Shootings

[Dr The Singh]

I'm with you on this unfortunately the media including the left of centre BBC don't report these things and they should its appalling what's happened in Paris but these acts are happening all around the world to innocent civilians all the time and it doesn't get the air time. I consider myself fairly well informed however, it was only after watching Anita Rani on who do you think you are I realised the extent and the terrible things that happened as part of the partition of India.

The thing about that is, Sikh bore the brunt of the pain. More Sikhs died in the formation of India then any other. India was formed, the myth Indian gained its freedom is a laugh and a half. the Brits were skint and the agreement was to make Gandhi and Nehru hereos for a massive payment. Mountbatten was given 2 months to seal the deal. Sikhs demanded there own nation, Brits offered it to the Sikhs, however both Pakistan and India offered autonomous states. The Sikhs trusted Gandhi and Nehru, they verbally accepted, from that day India has raped Sikhs if there freedom. Those people who died in the partition died in vein, we were better off being slaves of the brits

The BBC and its inability to do its job is due to political reasons. India has alot of friends in the BBC

[Claridge]

Already happens!!!

I travel all over the world, and have been to Syria and Pakistan. Every time I go to US, my bag gets searched, and I have been screened a few times aswell. My dad whonwears a turban, often has his turban screened

Off to Chicago soon,fully expect the same,but a price to pay I'm afraid.dont mean to sound un sympathetic but it tickles me to think of some miserable sod in USA immigration xraying a turban

[Dr The Singh]

Off to Chicago soon,fully expect the same,but a price to pay I'm afraid.dont mean to sound un sympathetic but it tickles me to think of some miserable sod in USA immigration xraying a turban

It happens buddy, and turbans get swabbed for chemical checks. The positives are the the people doing it are very polite

Not complaining, we all understand why it needs to happen. The annoying thing is when it's done in a inhumane and ignorant manner

[Guest Bilo]

The chap Huw Edwards was just interviewing in Paris.

 

'**** religion and IS.' Succinctly put. 

 

Think Huw handled that pretty well, actually! 

[Rincewind]

Were the attackers killed? I imagine they were if they  had explosives strapped to them. I only started to read this thread a couple of pages in.

 

I thought Huw apologised for what he said.the jason Manford post is top of my timeline. FB removed it but it is getting loads of shares.

 

Also saw a Tweet.There are around 50,000 members of ISIS  yet there are 5 million population in surrounding countries. The figures could be wrong but I am just using them as an example to show  they could be overrun by those countries.The French  President has said it is an act of war which is how I would class it now. Terrorism suggests that they have a cause they believe is right.

But in a way all warmongers believe they are right.

[Dr The Singh]

The chap Huw Edwards was just interviewing in Paris.

'**** religion and IS.' Succinctly put.

Think Huw handled that pretty well, actually!

Was the guy originally from new parks or braunstone?

[Guest Bilo]

Was the guy originally from new parks or braunstone?

 

 

Definitely a Brauny lad!

[fleckneymike]

Was the guy originally from new parks or braunstone?

 

They said Fakir (genuinely, not a shit joke)

[fuchsntf]

There's a 'statement' from ISIS where they explain why they attacked Paris. I find it difficult to see how anyone could read it and continue to pretend to themselves that religious beliefs weren't what prompted these attacks.

 

It's here if you want to read it yourself https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTyxhPcUEAACeP8.jpg

Contrary..it proves its not religous.Mis quoting the Qur'an for criminal acts is blasphemy.

Quoting from the Qur'an, on Vice and your so called enemy is blasphemy, more ever hypocritical.

These guys ply drugs among their own, mis treat women among themselves.

Proving their beliefs are not based on anything religous or of their prophet mohammed, but just

a basic need for individual power, like any common gangster.

These groups are feared and hated by their own, there is not one human cell of kindness within their acts on their

fellowmen. Not forgetting such groups have succeeded in killing thousands /milions over the 100s of years of their

own countrymen and of their own religious ilk, alot more than they have ,of the so called non believers.

No matter under what name they have changed to, or under what even more extremes they believe they follow.

Drug pushing, enslaving women has prostitutes, murdering within, or outside their own beliefs, means one thing only

YOU ARE A VIOLENT GANGSTER, forcing children of others to do your own dirty work..

Neither Allah or Iblees will be welcoming any of you....

 

 

 

How is fleeing a warzone an act of cowardice?

[Ashley]

What fooks me off, these people (Sikhs), who offer protection, are labelled terrorist and extremist by the Indian government, and media without any justification, worse still the BBC and British media does nothing to report the atrocities against these people.

It's actually sickening what's happening to Sikhs in Punjab currently. Why no media coverage?

[Thracian]

Were the attackers killed? I imagine they were if they  had explosives strapped to them. I only started to read this thread a couple of pages in.

 

I thought Huw apologised for what he said.the jason Manford post is top of my timeline. FB removed it but it is getting loads of shares.

 

Also saw a Tweet.There are around 50,000 members of ISIS  yet there are 5 million population in surrounding countries. The figures could be wrong but I am just using them as an example to show  they could be overrun by those countries.The French  President has said it is an act of war which is how I would class it now. Terrorism suggests that they have a cause they believe is right.

But in a way all warmongers believe they are right.

 

 

It's not even nearly that simple Rincey. I'm not going to lay out ideas but even one person with the right weapon can cause absolute carnage if he's intent on dying whatever. Imagine the potential of 50,000.

 

Furthermore not all those surrounding 5m are necessarily willing to fight on the same side nor would they necessarily be loyal to that side - from the start or in a crisis - even if they did.

 

Yes, gathering a collective ground force may have some merit but making it work won't ever be easy and for countless good reasons.

 

In truth the situation is such a nightmare even Solomon might be tempted to take a holiday.

[z-layrex]

[Rincewind]

It won't be true Muslims they recruit but those that they convert who believe that injustice has been done by Westerners.

[Merging Cultures]

Already happens!!!

I travel all over the world, and have been to Syria and Pakistan. Every time I go to US, my bag gets searched, and I have been screened a few times aswell. My dad whonwears a turban, often has his turban screened

When I was travelling to Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Haiti, Burundi, Rwanda, DRC, Kosovo, Cambodia etc regularly I lived in the US on a H1B work visa. For some reason the authorities thought those countries were a bit dodgy! It would take me hours to get out of an airport.

To make it worse, some twat with the same name had overstayed his visa in the US.

[Merging Cultures]

Need something like the Nou Camp. They have gates before you get into the ground complex, guess they 'stop and search' there before anyone gets near the stadium. Must be a nightmare though with 90,000 trying to get in. El Swan and Rushes must do a roaring trade.

The thing with that though is all they would have to do is attack the bottle necks. It is probably safer to let them into a stadium as people are spread out, there are places to escape to. Whereas at a checkpoint, where people are crowding, the attackers can do much more damage. An explosion would be more compressed, which gives it maximum impact. Whereas a blast quickly loses its power as it spreads out. I've stood in line at both NFL and Baseball games in the US where they do screen everybody, and then lines are quite long and move slowly, often multiple lines next to each other. Several terrorists standing in different lines around the stadium could cause terrible carnage.

I'd imagine the authorities want to keep people flowing and prevent crowds. Which means it will be tough to do proper checks.

My big fear is that these people target shopping centres during the Christmas rush. Lots of people, in a confined space, with little to no security or police presence. Middle of Oxford Street on a Saturday morning would be a very easy target, but a smaller city high street or shopping centre would be even easier.

We shouldn't give in though. Everyone needs to continue their daily lives and not live in fear. Easy to say though.

[Guest]

Sadly this can't be said for absolutely everyone - I know many Hindus who have indeed integrated well and in many cases don't take their religious traditions as seriously as others while at the same time I work with one lady who has lived in England since 1979 and until I mentioned that I was going on holiday there in 2013, she'd never heard of Northern Ireland. She'd also never heard of Michael Caine, Royal Albert Hall etc, which I could *perhaps" forgive, but to have lived here for thirty four bloody years, throughout the Troubles and IRA activity in mainland Britain, and to not ever have heard of Northern Ireland just shows how easy it is for someone to be so ignorant of the world she lives in. I know for a fact that, thanks to Sky, she watches only Indian TV and only hears about things happening in the UK if it is on there. {I'm probably most incensed about this because I am of Belfast heritage, point still stands}

It must also be pointed out that while there is a massive problem with non-integration with the Muslim community, you can't tar the whole community with the same brush. Again, there are many who have integrated and consider themselves British over being Muslim - the problem is that there are far more that are quite happy to live (like my Hindu friend) in their home country (or parent's or grandparent's country) and/or culture by proxy.

That's the problem, which makes people so angry about it - as you alluded to, we have ended up with bubble communities that exist within our own where people are able to live according to the laws and customs of their 'home' country (or the 7th century) via their religion.

If people want respect from the native British population then they should respect our country, culture and customs, and follow the example of their brothers and sisters who have. One problematic issue of course, is that Islam in particular is not compatible with Britain or the 21st century in many ways.

 

Without wanting to show disrespect I'd say that the majority of British know and care little about Northern Ireland (other than a tilted view of the IRA and British army). And tbh there are a lot of similarities to be drawn between the IRA and IS. Northern Ireland is all about 2 bubble communities and the lack of respect for culture and customs.

[matt101]

You don't understand what multi-culturalism is do you?

And Islam isn't the problem either but I'm clearly talking to a brick wall with no ears or mind.

Extremists are the problem and they exist in islam, christianity, judaism... they exist in every area of life outside of religion too.

Do you remember the hooligans of the 80's. They were extremists. Football (islam) wasn't the problem, most supporters weren't the problem and we didn't ban football or kill all supporters to eradicate the problem.

[lgfualol]

They identified one of the terrorists, French-Algerian guy. Known to have been radicalised but not investigated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34825080

[matt101]

You don't understand what multi-culturalism is do you?

And Islam isn't the problem either but I'm clearly talking to a brick wall with no ears or mind.

Extremists are the problem and they exist in islam, christianity, judaism... they exist in every area of life outside of religion too.

Do you remember the hooligans of the 80's. They were extremists. Football (islam) wasn't the problem, most supporters weren't the problem and we didn't ban football or kill all supporters to eradicate the problem.

Comparing extremists to 80's football hooligans? Righty oh pal!

[Weller in Tights]

Comparing extremists to 80's football hooligans? Righty oh pal!

Stop being thick on purpose.

He's trying to give you an analogy you may understand.

He's not comparing these abhorrent terrorists to 80's hooligans.

What he is saying is that Islam isn't the problem it's the Islamist extremists, like there are extreme views in all religions and political groups. Hitler for example had right wing politics and his Nazi Party were 'extreme' in their methods of propagating their views. Not all right wing governments are as extreme as Hitlers Nazis though.

As I said, FIF was using the Football analogy to make it easy for you.

[Dr The Singh]

Stop being thick on purpose.

He's trying to give you an analogy you may understand.

He's not comparing these abhorrent terrorists to 80's hooligans.

What he is saying is that Islam isn't the problem it's the Islamist extremists, like there are extreme views in all religions and political groups. Hitler for example had right wing politics and his Nazi Party were 'extreme' in their methods of propagating their views. Not all right wing governments are as extreme as Hitlers Nazis though.

As I said, FIF was using the Football analogy to make it easy for you.

He wasn't being thick, the analogy was stupid. ISIL is a ideology based on religious text and a prophets life, way more different then 22 men kicking a ball. To defeat this type of terrorism which has been administered by Islamic people for centuries, you have to look at in detail the roots of which justifies there actions

[Dr The Singh]

It's actually sickening what's happening to Sikhs in Punjab currently. Why no media coverage?

Nobody cares. Sikhs are of no political or monetory value. They have no nation, no land, no oil......nothing to bargain with any nation. They are a minority in every nation, noone cares about the minority.

It sickens me that a terrorist like Modi can come to this country waving his was of cash, and demend Cameron to persecute Sikhs in this country and blockade UK media or force them to turn a blind eye on whats going on in India

[Collymore]

The BBC has a link on it's news home page that is called " Muslim who saved two women" 

 

I have no idea why the BBC feel the need to use religion in the headline. Do people seriously think that it's Christians running around saving people with Muslims standing there chucking stones at them or something? Poor from the BBC really...

 

In fact, the BBC's coverage of the whole event has been very disappointing. They seem hours behind the other news outlets - I wake up to their breaking news knowing it from the day before!

[Itsthejoeker]

The BBC has a link on it's news home page that is called " Muslim who saved two women" 

 

I have no idea why the BBC feel the need to use religion in the headline. Do people seriously think that it's Christian's running around saving people with Muslims standing there chucking stones at them or something? Poor from the BBC really...

 

In fact, the BBC's coverage of the whole event has been very disappointing. They seem hours behind the other news outlets - I wake up to their breaking news knowing it from the day before!

 

If you've seen some of the tweets and comments on Facebook you'll understand why they've had to point out her religion.

[Dr The Singh]

The BBC has a link on it's news home page that is called " Muslim who saved two women"

I have no idea why the BBC feel the need to use religion in the headline. Do people seriously think that it's Christian's running around saving people with Muslims standing there chucking stones at them or something? Poor from the BBC really...

In fact, the BBC's coverage of the whole event has been very disappointing. They seem hours behind the other news outlets - I wake up to their breaking news knowing it from the day before!

State controlled propaganda, to put Muslims in good light. There was a Sikh temple, hat housed and fed over 50 people, no mention of that...