Leicester will win the title but I would be dishonest if I said I would be happy for everyone…

[Sharpe's Fox]

Never has a username been so apt.

[AKCJ]

Not ridiculous at all. The team was bottom for weeks on end, and to suggest you play well to be bottom of the league is bizarre frankly. Youre obviously doing something wrong as youre being consistently beaten and need to look closer to home than bemoaning luck.

 

With regards to building the squad, he did build a squad, it was a squad most people largely thought needed substantial premier league improvement.

 

No one rated De Laet or Simpson, yet Simpson has played the majority of the season and is part of one of the meanest defenses in the league, not many people thought Morgan could cut it in the Premier League and was cumbersome, same argument now he is part of a mean defense, Drinkwater wasnt fancied and barely got a kick, ALbrighton only played at the very end of the season, He couldnt utilise Mahrez to the extent Ranieri has, Vardy had scored 5 goals. 5. And our main striking threat was Leo Ulloa, Kramaric being a total flop.

 

I could buy the "built the foundations" argument if the team needed subtle tweaks to it and it was already successful, but it wasnt.

 

Not at this level.

 

Ranieri has come in and far from not changing things, he HAS changed things.

 

If you always do what youve always done, youll always get what you always got.

 

Ranieri has put the team into a 4-4-2, implemented a more direct style where Pearson was focused more on controlling games, Implemented a higher press game and given license to creative and attacking players to cause more damage. These were all things Ranieri did that had no effect on Pearson.

 

Pearson's staff RIGHTLY get a lot of praise here, but what about the work Ranieri's staff do here that gets no mention whatsoever. I dont think ive ever seen Paolo Benetti's name mentioned ever, nor Andrea Azalin. Why? are they not as much a part of the success as Pearson's staff?

 

And finally, i think its interesting given the nature of Pearson's sacking, the outcry that followed on here in the aftermath, that the squad didnt seem to have any issues. Not one of them had made any murmur's of discontent at the sacking, sulked, wanted out, performances had become worse.......I think thats very interesting.

 

 

Absolutely clueless.

[Donut]

Absolutely clueless.

 

Nice little counter argument anyway.

[ImBlue]

It's hard to argue with any of Donuts points there.

Pearson staff brought in some quality players, unfortunately it didn't seem Pearson got the best out of them. Hence keeping the back room staff and bringing in Ranieri was almost perfect.

[Babylon]

Pearson staff brought in some quality players, unfortunately it didn't seem Pearson got the best out of them. Hence keeping the back room staff and bringing in Ranieri was almost perfect.

 

Yeah, other than two promotions and keeping us in the premier league... seems like he got the best out of them enough to achieve the goals that were set him. And you can't really say for certain whether Ranieri is getting more than Pearson could, as it's a very different squad to the one we operated with the first half of last season. Not only in terms of players, but also their experience.

 

I don't know why people can't just leave it, Pearson built all the behind the scenes stuff up with the owners backing. He left not only a great backroom team and decent squad, but a great mentality. Ranieri has taken over and tactically he's been brilliant. Whether long term he can build a team and a squad like Pearson did, not only with the quality but also keeping the correct mentality... only time will tell.

 

[Fox92]

Why can't everybody appreciate what Pearson did and what Renieri is doing.

 

Every thread turns into Pearson v Renieri thanks to the same boring posters. **** off. 

[Donut]

Why can't everybody appreciate what Pearson did and what Renieri is doing.

 

Every thread turns into Pearson v Renieri thanks to the same boring posters. **** off. 

 

The same posters on the "pro" Pearson side, the finger cant be pointed exclusively at those with a different opinion to them.

 

Im in the middle with it, i appreciate the excellent work Pearson did, but he had many failings as a manager and id have to say, the club is prospering more now.

 

I can certainly appreciate the promotions though and the way he transformed the club.

[Fox92]

The same posters on the "pro" Pearson side, the finger cant be pointed exclusively at those with a different opinion to them.

 

Im in the middle with it, i appreciate the excellent work Pearson did, but he had many failings as a manager and id have to say, the club is prospering more now.

 

I can certainly appreciate the promotions though and the way he transformed the club.

 

Yeah but the "pro" Pearson posters (like myself - I admit) only react to a stupid comment from a "anti" Pearson fan who seems to have forgot where this club was before Pearson (on two occassions). I'm pretty sure we're the only club in the World who hasn't got a fanbase 100% behind one of the club's most successful managers ever and quite frankly, those who still cannot appreciate what he achieved here (on and off the pitch - twice) have obviously got something personal against him. 

 

And quite frankly I get fed up of every thread turning into Pearson v Reneiri. "Ohh but Pearson wouldn't have us top of the league" "Ohh but Pearson couldn't handle big names" "Ohh but Pearson didn't actually manage us during our survival". Boring like and I don't know why the mods don't lock the topic(s) given every other topic is locked if it explodes into a boring and pointless debate.

[AKCJ]

It's hard to argue with any of Donuts points there.

 

It's not though, is it?

 

1) Not ridiculous at all. The team was bottom for weeks on end, and to suggest you play well to be bottom of the league is bizarre frankly. Youre obviously doing something wrong as youre being consistently beaten and need to look closer to home than bemoaning luck.

 

2) With regards to building the squad, he did build a squad, it was a squad most people largely thought needed substantial premier league improvement.

 

3) No one rated De Laet or Simpson, yet Simpson has played the majority of the season and is part of one of the meanest defenses in the league, not many people thought Morgan could cut it in the Premier League and was cumbersome, same argument now he is part of a mean defense, Drinkwater wasnt fancied and barely got a kick, ALbrighton only played at the very end of the season, He couldnt utilise Mahrez to the extent Ranieri has, Vardy had scored 5 goals. 5. And our main striking threat was Leo Ulloa, Kramaric being a total flop.

 

4) I could buy the "built the foundations" argument if the team needed subtle tweaks to it and it was already successful, but it wasnt.

 

Not at this level.

 

5) Ranieri has come in and far from not changing things, he HAS changed things.

 

6) If you always do what youve always done, youll always get what you always got.

 

7) Ranieri has put the team into a 4-4-2, implemented a more direct style where Pearson was focused more on controlling games, Implemented a higher press game and given license to creative and attacking players to cause more damage. These were all things Ranieri did that had no effect on Pearson.

 

8) Pearson's staff RIGHTLY get a lot of praise here, but what about the work Ranieri's staff do here that gets no mention whatsoever. I dont think ive ever seen Paolo Benetti's name mentioned ever, nor Andrea Azalin. Why? are they not as much a part of the success as Pearson's staff?

 

9) And finally, i think its interesting given the nature of Pearson's sacking, the outcry that followed on here in the aftermath, that the squad didnt seem to have any issues. Not one of them had made any murmur's of discontent at the sacking, sulked, wanted out, performances had become worse.......I think thats very interesting.

 

 

1) There was a period between the United game and Christmas where we couldn't buy a win and the performances showed that. But if you're seriously suggesting that we were consistently getting the results we deserved after that game then i'll have to assume that you weren't watching and merely keeping your eye on the results.

 

2) Most people have been proven wrong. What is your point? The fact we haven't had to make huge improvements says Pearson was on the right tracks.

 

3) Credit to both Ranieri and Pearson. Credit to Pearson for working out the best way of utilising those players (probably Mahrez and Simpson aside) and credit to Ranieri for allowing them to continue to flourish. End of the day though, it's up to the players to prove themselves.

 

4) Not successful? We spent the last 3rd of the season as being the best side in the division and we finished 14th.

 

5) He's made tweaks. If he'd made loads of proper changes then I doubt we'd be where we are.

 

6) What the **** are you on about?

 

7) When Pearson used the tactics you're talking about, we were bottom of the league and looked hopeless. When he shifted into this style of all guns blazing attacking football we ended up dragging ourselves out of the bottom 3 and then some.

 

8) Pearson's staff as in Walsh and Shakespeare you mean? The head coach and the head scout? Yeah you really have to wonder why they get all the credit, don't you 

 

9) Do you? Weird thing to be interested about. Unless you are interested in our players remaining professional. I want LCFC players to play for LCFC regardless of who the manager is.

[AKCJ]

The same posters on the "pro" Pearson side, the finger cant be pointed exclusively at those with a different opinion to them.

 

Im in the middle with it, i appreciate the excellent work Pearson did, but he had many failings as a manager and id have to say, the club is prospering more now.

 

I can certainly appreciate the promotions though and the way he transformed the club.

 

I haven't seen a single poster that appreciates Pearson have any sort of dig at Ranieri.

 

Both have been superb for us and i'm very grateful for them.

 

It's just a shame that people like you can't give Pearson a compliment without immediately criticising him...

[Babylon]

Not ridiculous at all. The team was bottom for weeks on end, and to suggest you play well to be bottom of the league is bizarre frankly. Youre obviously doing something wrong as youre being consistently beaten and need to look closer to home than bemoaning luck.

And yet so many pundits, writers, opposition managers, fans of us and other teams etc all very often repeated the same things about us playing well, or being in games. Hmmmm.... lots of people with bizarre opinions obviously.

 

 

With regards to building the squad, he did build a squad, it was a squad most people largely thought needed substantial premier league improvement.

Actually I think those people who wanted massive changes were the ones still now moaning at Pearson. The same group said that almost none of our players were good enough when we got promoted. Yet funnily enough, the ones who excelled in the championship have all pretty much stepped up. Last season and this.

 

 

No one rated De Laet or Simpson, yet Simpson has played the majority of the season and is part of one of the meanest defenses in the league, not many people thought Morgan could cut it in the Premier League and was cumbersome, same argument now he is part of a mean defense, Drinkwater wasnt fancied and barely got a kick, ALbrighton only played at the very end of the season, He couldnt utilise Mahrez to the extent Ranieri has, Vardy had scored 5 goals. 5. And our main striking threat was Leo Ulloa, Kramaric being a total flop.

 

I could buy the "built the foundations" argument if the team needed subtle tweaks to it and it was already successful, but it wasnt.

 

Not at this level.

 

But he did utilise them, you cannot just ignore the end of the season and a handful of good performances throughout the rest of it. He got them working at the end of the season, that's quite clear. Nobody has said he was perfect and that he didn't make mistakes, but he learnt from them... and so will have Ranieri. He has benefited from them as much as Pearson would have. we know he was setting about rectifying other issues with the signings we've witnessed this year.

 

 

Ranieri has put the team into a 4-4-2, implemented a more direct style where Pearson was focused more on controlling games, Implemented a higher press game and given license to creative and attacking players to cause more damage. These were all things Ranieri did that had no effect on Pearson.

 

Has anyone said he's changed nothing? It's as clear as day that he's changed our whole defensive setup tactically, something Pearson never managed to get to grips with.

 

 

Pearson's staff RIGHTLY get a lot of praise here, but what about the work Ranieri's staff do here that gets no mention whatsoever. I dont think ive ever seen Paolo Benetti's name mentioned ever, nor Andrea Azalin. Why? are they not as much a part of the success as Pearson's staff?

Because nobody has any idea what they do. But we know Walsh signs the players, and lets be honest it's he who gets most of the praise.

 

 

And finally, i think its interesting given the nature of Pearson's sacking, the outcry that followed on here in the aftermath, that the squad didnt seem to have any issues. Not one of them had made any murmur's of discontent at the sacking, sulked, wanted out, performances had become worse.......I think thats very interesting.

You have no idea who may or may not have had issues, that's total guess work. What we do have a lots and lots of players who have constantly praised Pearson and said how good he was to work for. What it might actually show, is what a decent professional bunch of players he got together. With no sulkers... something he actively wanted rid of years ago. Despite all the same whingers telling us Beckford, Danns and Mills were great and Pearson was wrong to "fall out" with them. Which was actually a case of him knowing they were utter dross.

[Donut]

It's not though, is it?

 

 

 

1) There was a period between the United game and Christmas where we couldn't buy a win and the performances showed that. But if you're seriously suggesting that we were consistently getting the results we deserved after that game then i'll have to assume that you weren't watching and merely keeping your eye on the results.

 

2) Most people have been proven wrong. What is your point? The fact we haven't had to make huge improvements says Pearson was on the right tracks.

 

3) Credit to both Ranieri and Pearson. Credit to Pearson for working out the best way of utilising those players (probably Mahrez and Simpson aside) and credit to Ranieri for allowing them to continue to flourish. End of the day though, it's up to the players to prove themselves.

 

4) Not successful? We spent the last 3rd of the season as being the best side in the division and we finished 14th.

 

5) He's made tweaks. If he'd made loads of proper changes then I doubt we'd be where we are.

 

6) What the **** are you on about?

 

7) When Pearson used the tactics you're talking about, we were bottom of the league and looked hopeless. When he shifted into this style of all guns blazing attacking football we ended up dragging ourselves out of the bottom 3 and then some.

 

8) Pearson's staff as in Walsh and Shakespeare you mean? The head coach and the head scout? Yeah you really have to wonder why they get all the credit, don't you 

 

9) Do you? Weird thing to be interested about. Unless you are interested in our players remaining professional. I want LCFC players to play for LCFC regardless of who the manager is.

 

1) It isnt all luck. We had games after christmas against Stoke and against Palace for example where we got nothing, and didnt really deserve anything either. And the infamous Hull game where we didnt take the game by the scruff of the neck. Alongside those games, we had the Villa away poor performance, and we were conceding goals too. There wasnt one single thing that was wrong, but things were adding up to defeats and the old addage is the league table doesnt lie.

 

If it doesnt lie when youre talking about us finishing the league 14th, it also doesnt lie when you are bottom and not achieving the results.

 

2) Weve been proven wrong because Ranieri has managed to inspire these players to levels way above what we, and probably themselves thought was possible. The huge improvements have come from the way Ranieri has taken what was already here, and improved it beyond normality. Not a Pearson dig, but it just seems bizarre to say someone had "laid foundations" when the foundations he had at the time were weak in a lot of areas.

 

3) Pearson hadnt worked out the best way to utlise the players, because if he had, we would be playing exactly the same tactics now that we were playing then. Obviously the personnel in the team has changed somewhat and you couldnt fit the players from last season EXACTLY into the formation we use now, but thats also down to his squad building too.

 

Cambiasso was fantastic for example, but he COULD have opted for someone more dynamic if he felt he could make the 4-4-2 style work, he could have opted for Drinkwater in the middle of the pitch but didnt.

 

4) The great escape was not over a period of 1/3rd of a season. You specifically referenced the LAST third of the season, and not A third of the season which would have included performances at the beginning.

 

5) Hes made significant changes. Hes playing different players in the team in a different formation and with different style.

 

6) the phrase is used in other sports, and ive used it to signify in addition to point 5, if Ranieri had come here and kept things more or less the same as some have suggested, then the results would have been more or less the same as last season. The fact they have improved significantly goes with point 5.

 

7) I think there were many factors behind the great escape, but if i posted my thoughts would there be any point? you obviously would instantly discard them and it would be a waste of typing.

 

8) I said that Pearson's staff RIGHTLY got the credit they deserve, yet for whatever reason, no one attaches any credit for the clubs success to the new staff that have come in. I just find that odd that even though we dont know exactly what they bring to us, their names arent even acknowledged. Im sure they must have a big part in the recruitment process too and the input on a matchday, they should share the credit.

 

9) I do find it interesting yes. If anything, the squad is more together now than it was last season. and thats after a major change.

And yet so many pundits, writers, opposition managers, fans of us and other teams etc all very often repeated the same things about us playing well, or being in games. Hmmmm.... lots of people with bizarre opinions obviously.

 

 

Actually I think those people who wanted massive changes were the ones still now moaning at Pearson. The same group said that almost none of our players were good enough when we got promoted. Yet funnily enough, the ones who excelled in the championship have all pretty much stepped up. Last season and this.

 

 

 

But he did utilise them, you cannot just ignore the end of the season and a handful of good performances throughout the rest of it. He got them working at the end of the season, that's quite clear. Nobody has said he was perfect and that he didn't make mistakes, but he learnt from them... and so will have Ranieri. He has benefited from them as much as Pearson would have. we know he was setting about rectifying other issues with the signings we've witnessed this year.

 

 

 

Has anyone said he's changed nothing? It's as clear as day that he's changed our whole defensive setup tactically, something Pearson never managed to get to grips with.

 

 

Because nobody has any idea what they do. But we know Walsh signs the players, and lets be honest it's he who gets most of the praise.

 

 

You have no idea who may or may not have had issues, that's total guess work. What we do have a lots and lots of players who have constantly praised Pearson and said how good he was to work for. What it might actually show, is what a decent professional bunch of players he got together. With no sulkers... something he actively wanted rid of years ago. Despite all the same whingers telling us Beckford, Danns and Mills were great and Pearson was wrong to "fall out" with them. Which was actually a case of him knowing they were utter dross.

 

Well argued, conscise points.

[Webbo]

I can't be bothered to rehash all this nonsense again but I'd just like to point out that playing well but losing is not good management.

[Guest]

John Rudkin said he gave the club many reasons in his last 2 or so weeks to lose his job. (Trust me)

Suggests it was him?

They couldn't stand each other

[dedlock]

Thank you NP for all you have done for our club.

 

Thank you CR for all you are doing for our club.

[Bluefox22]

Still unemployed and still up his own arse

[Carl the Llama]

Still unemployed and still up his own arse

6 posts since Feb '11, let's see if we can lower that posting average a bit more eh?

[Guest Col city fan]

I can't be bothered to rehash all this nonsense again but I'd just like to point out that playing well but losing is not good management.

Same here..Some of these posts read like essays. With the same old abuse, from one or two thrown in.

It's boring and old news.

We're miles better now in all departments. Whether we would have been the same if Nige had stayed, who knows?

[Fox92]

Still unemployed and still up his own arse

 

Know him personally do you?

[Countryfox]

Whether we would have been the same if Nige had stayed, who knows?

 

Well one things for sure Col we certainly wouldn't have been doing much better.    

[Guest Col city fan]

Well one things for sure Col we certainly wouldn't have been doing much better.

Exactly. I don't get the point of arguing over Pearson anymore. He did great. The new man's taken it up notch. I don't think it's any more complex than that.

[fuchsntf]

Exactly. I don't get the point of arguing over Pearson anymore. He did great. The new man's taken it up notch. I don't think it's any more complex than that.

So much agree..

Too many posters, over analysing, going into details with no background info.

What many forget on this forum, last season was our 1st time back after 10yrs.

All those players who struggled , with odd good patches, are now showing form and skills that

NOT ONE POSTER gave them credit for.With many wishing to see the back of them.

So NP and Ranieri do have something in common, where other managers are struggling.

They have recognised,found chosen and have been given a spread of 20+ players, many the same.

And BOTH turned these individual players, 1st into PL standard players ,then now into players

capable of challenging for a top 4 spot...hail NPCR.

Other managers including Ferguson needed several seasons, some have still not

yet achieved it.Not forgetting to compare the budgets available.

Now remember this, if it was upto 90%+ of this forum posters, not one of the

present players would still be here, including new buys.

Only exceptions with hardient belief, ..myself, King Richard, and Rachel...

[Bluetintedspecs]

What Nige did achievement wise when he was here was measurable, I liked lot's about the man but he also , like all of us, had flaws too.

Thankfully we will never know the full story and rightly so. Anything else is pure hearsay and conjecture, why the fvck can't we leave this where it belongs now, acknowledge the good, accept the bad and support the here and now. Why do we have to analyse the ins and outs of Megs arse when it achieves absolutely nothing?

[Arriba Los Zorros]

This Donut fella is a right bore

[Foxxed]

Christ, I've just realised it's another Daily Mail article.

 

They stirred up tension about Pearson in another article before too.

 

Well, it's their job I guess.