Mark_w Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 That Pearson team didn't get promoted so it's not a relevant comparison. The team Pearson did get promoted includes Schmeichel, Morgan, Drinkwater, Vardy, Mahrez among others who are all now full international champions league players, possibly premier league champions. Pearson's a much better team and the club was in a much stronger position. If Pearson's man management of Jamie Vardy during the transition from 2012/2013 to 2013/2014 isn't an example of incredible management then I don't know what is. Half of the people on here wanted Drinkwater gone, hindsight is a wonderful thing but those players (barring Mahrez who was here for half that season) had just gone on an awful run scraped into the play-offs and lost to Watford despite having a penalty to win it in the 95/6th - whatever - minute. That entire transition is an example of fantastic management at least on a par with Adams' season and Nigel's record was much more consistent.
Kitchandro Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 By the way, I do think Pearson did a great job for us, and I'd happily put him in the top 5. I just think some people give him too much credit for what we're doing now. He deserves some, but we've progressed so much since he's left. We're better off without him now, sadly. I think Brian Little deserves a lot of mentions. The club was probably in it's worst state when he took over - no money, relegation battles every year, shocking crowds by our standards. Within months we'd turned into promotion candidates and the crowds came back. The club as it is now can be traced back to then. We may have dropped into league 1 since but we were still averaging 20,000 in that division. Before Little we were getting 10,000 in the second tier. I think there's a lot to be said for that period and how the club grew from the moment he stepped through the door.
inckley fox Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 By the way, I do think Pearson did a great job for us, and I'd happily put him in the top 5. I just think some people give him too much credit for what we're doing now. He deserves some, but we've progressed so much since he's left. We're better off without him now, sadly. I think Brian Little deserves a lot of mentions. The club was probably in it's worst state when he took over - no money, relegation battles every year, shocking crowds by our standards. Within months we'd turned into promotion candidates and the crowds came back. The club as it is now can be traced back to then. We may have dropped into league 1 since but we were still averaging 20,000 in that division. Before Little we were getting 10,000 in the second tier. I think there's a lot to be said for that period and how the club grew from the moment he stepped through the door. I agree with a lot of this. We may have got relegated in 95, but if you'd stood on the terraces when there were 7000 or 8000 of us under Pleat, then seen the difference a couple of years later - and how attendances never really fell off thereafter - you'd have to give Little a lot of credit for giving us momentum. Gordon Lee too - a lot of that momentum can be traced back to the 1-0 win over Oxford in 1991, when out of nowhere we pulled in a bumper crowd, the best atmosphere in years and delivered the goods. At around that time it would have been easy for us to collapse into the lower leagues with gates of well under 10000. It's never been a problem since, even though we've slumped to greater depths than we did back then. As for greatest manager, I've always gone for O'Neill over Gillies, Orr and Hodge. He won more than than any of them, had a higher average finish than Gillies and Orr, and as for Hodge, well he was just the team-builder for Orr's success. Ranieri would eclipse Orr if he finished 2nd or 3rd just because of the elitism of the game these days, but I think it's probably Pearson who would go down - in that event - as our best ever boss. Simply because he'd have achieved a greater rise through league positions than any other manager - two promotions and then kept us up - and would have assembled a side which could challenge for a league. If Ranieri wins it, then Ranieri is without question the best ever, just because of the sheer scale of the achievement. And I wouldn't argue with you either when you say that, in spite of all Pearson achieved, we have actually gone to places he couldn't have taken us to since his exit. And this will stand whether we end up 1st, 2nd, 3rd or (and it seems unlikely now) 4th.
Dodgy Bob Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 They weren't bloomin internationals when they signed were they, and Pearson signed most of them. Morgan, Drinkwater, Vardy and Mahrez for £3.5m!!! And that's used against him Adams inherited a largely premier league squad that got relegated: (rough costs) Walker £2m Elliott £1.5m Taggert free Impey £1.5m Sinclair £2m Jones £3m Scowcroft £3m Banjamin £1.5m Flowers £1.5m Izzet £700km Davidson £1.5m Rodgers 700k Yes, conditions were obviously far from ideal with what went on that year. But it's a team full of expensive players, many internationals themselves. No they weren't internationals but it demonstrates the quality of players Pearson had at his disposal. I'm not using that against him. If you'd read my previous comment you would see I tried to seperate 'achievements' and 'managerial talent'. Pearson achieved a great deal but for me that's more down to Walsh's ability to find a bargain than Pearson's managerial talent. Comparisons with Adams show that it's possible to achieve what Pearson achieved with an arguably weaker side, and that's why I'd potentially put Adams ahead of Pearson in terms of managerial talent.
Jace Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 Once Ranieri makes a few class signings of his own I will consider him in the running, but until then O'Neill and Pearson will be at the top for me
Suffolk exile Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 I've been following this thread with a great deal of interest. I think it would be wrong NOT to say that CR is our greatest ever manager if he delivers our greatest ever achievement. To suggest anything else is plain wrong. I am not in anyway saying that those managers who led us to success (at lower level) are not worthy of their status in the club - Pearson, MON, Little and the like. But their achievements did not do, what this (if we do it) will do for our club - haven't you heard? - we're now MASSIVE! I think that for me, although I loved being a part of Little, MON and Pearson period - this is a period that will probably never be repeated. Certainly in many of our lifetimes!
themightyfin Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 If Pearson's man management of Jamie Vardy during the transition from 2012/2013 to 2013/2014 isn't an example of incredible management then I don't know what is. Half of the people on here wanted Drinkwater gone, hindsight is a wonderful thing but those players (barring Mahrez who was here for half that season) had just gone on an awful run scraped into the play-offs and lost to Watford despite having a penalty to win it in the 95/6th - whatever - minute. That entire transition is an example of fantastic management at least on a par with Adams' season and Nigel's record was much more consistent. I seem to remember Np said he was prepared to let Drinkwater go in the summer before the championship winning season as well so he didn't always get it right
americanfox Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 If Pearson's man management of Jamie Vardy during the transition from 2012/2013 to 2013/2014 isn't an example of incredible management then I don't know what is. Half of the people on here wanted Drinkwater gone, hindsight is a wonderful thing but those players (barring Mahrez who was here for half that season) had just gone on an awful run scraped into the play-offs and lost to Watford despite having a penalty to win it in the 95/6th - whatever - minute. That entire transition is an example of fantastic management at least on a par with Adams' season and Nigel's record was much more consistent. Wasn't Pearson also the one willing to sell Vardy back to Sheffield Wednesday (if you believed those rumours)? He didn't get them all right.
Mark_w Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 I seem to remember Np said he was prepared to let Drinkwater go in the summer before the championship winning season as well so he didn't always get it right Did he? I have no recollection of that, can't remember him making many if any comments like that about any of our players while he was here, he was extremely guarded. Link? Wasn't Pearson also the one willing to sell Vardy back to Sheffield Wednesday (if you believed those rumours)? He didn't get them all right. That rumour was clearly nonsense, we rejected a bid from West Brom of the same rumoured amount a few months earlier before Vardy played a huge role in the great escape and became an England international.
ImBlue Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 Once Ranieri makes a few class signings of his own I will consider him in the running, but until then O'Neill and Pearson will be at the top for me Ranieri has.. Kante Only probably one of the best players we will ever see here for gods sake
ImBlue Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 If Pearson's man management of Jamie Vardy during the transition from 2012/2013 to 2013/2014 isn't an example of incredible management then I don't know what is. Half of the people on here wanted Drinkwater gone, hindsight is a wonderful thing but those players (barring Mahrez who was here for half that season) had just gone on an awful run scraped into the play-offs and lost to Watford despite having a penalty to win it in the 95/6th - whatever - minute. That entire transition is an example of fantastic management at least on a par with Adams' season and Nigel's record was much more consistent. So one sided. His management of Vardy last season was equally as poor, he played most of the season on the wing!
AKCJ Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 People talk about Pearson's influence on this team, and rightly so, but if you're judging him as a manager it has to be on all aspects. Tactically he was woeful and that's why we underachieved. The squad we had last season should have been comfortably mid table. It's ludicrous to say he's a better manager than O'Neill because of what we're doing now. We wouldn't be doing it with him because he's not astute tactically. I'm certain of that. Likewise it's not O'Neill's fault that Taylor ruined all his good work. The legacy he left was great, we should have done so much better after him. What are you basing that on? Players are in the absolute form of their lives this season, but I don't think anyone could honestly say that that side should have been "comfortably mid table" last season.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 What are you basing that on? Players are in the absolute form of their lives this season, but I don't think anyone could honestly say that that side should have been "comfortably mid table" last season. There is also the face that we did actually finish comfortably in mid table in the end as well.
ImBlue Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 What are you basing that on? Players are in the absolute form of their lives this season, but I don't think anyone could honestly say that that side should have been "comfortably mid table" last season. Form of there lives this season or just managed better? Be honest with yourself. Think of the amount of players that just look different players this year. Vardy, Drinkwater, Morgan, Mahrez, Simpson, could argue Albrighton..
STUHILL Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 If we win the title: 1. Ranieri 2. O'Neill 3. Pearson That's in my life-time anyway
ImBlue Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 There is also the face that we did actually finish comfortably in mid table in the end as well. We weren't comfortable at any point. 14th isn't midtable. We only got there last game of the season courtesy of a dead rubber. Stop being daft.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 We weren't comfortable at any point. 14th isn't midtable. We only got there last game of the season courtesy of a dead rubber. Stop being daft. Six point cushion from third bottom is comfortable, and 14 is pretty near the middle, certainly closer to the middle than the bottom, so thank you for your input but I am of the belief I am not being daft. The season all in all was horrible but your judged on 38 games not 30.
hackneyfox Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 People talk about Pearson's influence on this team, and rightly so, but if you're judging him as a manager it has to be on all aspects. Tactically he was woeful and that's why we underachieved. The squad we had last season should have been comfortably mid table. It's ludicrous to say he's a better manager than O'Neill because of what we're doing now. We wouldn't be doing it with him because he's not astute tactically. I'm certain of that. Likewise it's not O'Neill's fault that Taylor ruined all his good work. The legacy he left was great, we should have done so much better after him. Spot on for me.
Mark_w Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 So one sided. His management of Vardy last season was equally as poor, he played most of the season on the wing! Except he didn't play most of the season on the wing, it wasn't even half of the games he played, maybe a third at a push. And in his first season in Premier League we achieved our goal and he got into the England team, struggling to see how that's 'as poor' as 2013/14 was good.
ousefox Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 Adams over Pearson I understand that people hate the man for some unfathomable reason but come on
Oxfordfox83 Posted 13 April 2016 Posted 13 April 2016 If we win the title: 1. Ranieri 2. O'Neill 3. Pearson That's in my life-time anyway I think that's about right. But it has to be said, Pearson gave us a hell of a rollercoaster. Promotions, near misses, horrible runs of form, signing Cambiasso, signing Knocky, and massive matches that will live long in the memory (Watford , Forest before that , United ), and a finish to the season like no other. Loved MON, loved his players, and loved those times, but I don't think they were ever as exciting as the Pearson times. It's a very tricky call. However, if CR wins the league, then top of the pile is a very easy call...
ImBlue Posted 14 April 2016 Posted 14 April 2016 Except he didn't play most of the season on the wing, it wasn't even half of the games he played, maybe a third at a push. And in his first season in Premier League we achieved our goal and he got into the England team, struggling to see how that's 'as poor' as 2013/14 was good.And when he played up front most of what he did was chase aimless balls over the top. If you think Pearson got anywhere near enough out of Vardy fair enough, but I disagree and this season I think shows it. The fact many fans on here said they would drive him to west brom themselves for £5m shows the type of player he looked under Pearson. He fulfilled the task of staying up, well done, he got enough out of them for that. It was time to move on and what Ranieri is now getting out of the players shows they were, with a bit of tactical/coaching nouse, probably capable of better than they were showing before.
Foxymcoxy Posted 14 April 2016 Posted 14 April 2016 Criticising him for not getting the most out of Vardy is just about the most ridiculous thing I can think of to try and discredit Pearson. He bought him from ****ing non-league and since then took him from a shit championship player to an England international. Get a grip mate.
Sionnach gorm Posted 14 April 2016 Posted 14 April 2016 Wouldn't really agree with that as that team was relegated before O Neill came in, also as Babylon they key players in O' Neills team where signed by him not Brian Little. Look at our key players this season Vardy, Mahrez, Albrighton, Kante was scouted before Ranieri joined, who did Ranieri bring in? Inler? Ranieris done a great job without a doubt but he didn't build the foundations like O Neill did All this talk about foundations seems frivolous to me. I can give Walsh credit (since Kante isn't even a "Pearson signing".) But let's look at what Pearson did before he was sacked. He had a supposedly very good team with Cambiasso also. What did he achieve? Just above relegation. Foundations mean nothing without someone who can manage in the Prem. Someone who knows how to get the best out of the players. I've seen great improvement, especially with the defense. I'm sorry, but Pearson was out of his element. I give credit to Pearson for getting the team out of the lower leagues, and that's it (and overlook his faults because of that...but no more than that). I think Pearson is to be revered for his accomplishments, but they stopped as soon as he was sacked. No top of the bus for him. No special mention. No credit at all. It is certainly Ranieri's team that is at the top. If we drop next year, will we be giving Pearson credit for that also?
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