Grewks Posted 16 April 2016 Posted 16 April 2016 I love Pearson, was gutted when he was sacked, no-one was more appreciative for what he had done for us as a club......and he did that rebuilding job twice! He was responsible for bringing in a large number of the first team squad, including all of our spine except kasper (Morgan, huth, kante, drinky, vardy). But....it is often said that a manager should be judged on how much he improves a player individually, and a team as a whole. Ranieri has undoubtedly united everyone. It isn't easy to replace a man who did such a successful job, just ask David Moyes, even media darling (who hasn't done anything of note in management imo) the mighty Pep Guardiola hasn't achieved near to what Juup Heynckes (sp?) did at Bayern, and Europe is less competitive currently IMO. There isn't a player that hasn't improved under ranieri, thats the sign of a top quality manager.
Oxfordfox83 Posted 16 April 2016 Posted 16 April 2016 I put Pearson, Little and Adams high up this list because as well as their achievements, they managed and subsequently helped pick up the club in a time of duress and in Pearson and Adams's case, they seemed to have a special bond with the club (and Adams in particular with our fans). Martin O'Neill was more of a 'Mourinho': selfish, difficult character. Sure, it doesn't make his fantastic achievements any the lesser, but the man clearly has no bond to the club at all despite his great run at City. Since he's viewed as one of our legends, this has always grated on me somewhat and affects how highly I rate him. Don't know where you've got this from. Mourinho is an interesting comparison, because he's an emotional, utilitarian man, but also clearly one who has a real bond with the clubs he manages. I met MON when he was here, and also spoke at length to him when he was Celtic manager. He knew all about our struggles at the time, spoke fondly of his time with us and clearly felt a part of the club. I have seen this since whenever he speaks of his time here or about is generally. Don't recognise the disassociation you describe at all, just a friendly and enthusiastic bloke, driven and mental, but still part Fox... I put Pearson, Little and Adams high up this list because as well as their achievements, they managed and subsequently helped pick up the club in a time of duress and in Pearson and Adams's case, they seemed to have a special bond with the club (and Adams in particular with our fans). Martin O'Neill was more of a 'Mourinho': selfish, difficult character. Sure, it doesn't make his fantastic achievements any the lesser, but the man clearly has no bond to the club at all despite his great run at City. Since he's viewed as one of our legends, this has always grated on me somewhat and affects how highly I rate him. Don't know where you've got this from. Mourinho is an interesting comparison, because he's an emotional, utilitarian man, but also clearly one who has a real bond with the clubs he manages. I met MON when he was here, and also spoke at length to him when he was Celtic manager. He knew all about our struggles at the time, spoke fondly of his time with us and clearly felt a part of the club. I have seen this since whenever he speaks of his time here or about is generally. Don't recognise the disassociation you describe at all, just a friendly and enthusiastic bloke, driven and mental, but still part Fox...
Countryfox Posted 16 April 2016 Posted 16 April 2016 Bloody tough one this .... depends what factors you take into account and how much emphasis you put on them. Could Ranieri have done what Pearson did and build a team without mega bucks ? Possibly not. Could Pearson have polished the team into title contenders like Ranieri has done ? Possibly not. Where would we be right now if NP was still here ... ???? O'Neill is now an international manager and yet Pearson was sacked .... but does that mean anything ? In terms of who has achieved the most Ranieri hasn't been here long enough but we all know what MIGHT happen .... Pearson has brought us up as Champions twice yet MON has given us so many amazing trips to Wembley .... perhaps our best ever season and our best ever manger are two different things ?? I need to give this more thought and will check with the pub pundits tonight .... but initial thoughts .... MON by a whisker, Pearson second, and the Don TBC. Well I checked and I'm no further forward ... still about the same as I thought before ... split opinions and Gillies name was mentioned a fair bit. In the end we moved on to worst manger which was more fun .... Pleat, McLintock and Taylor popped up and the conversation rolled on and on ....
Izzy Posted 16 April 2016 Posted 16 April 2016 Amazing that a bloke who's only been in charge for 30 odd games in our entire 132 year history, is now touted by many as our greatest ever manager. I can't think of many managers of any club in the history of world football who's made such a massive impact in such a short space of time. Unbelievable really...
Sionnach gorm Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Since some here have put Pearson or MON ahead of Ranieri, i'd like to pose a simple question. If Pearson or MON are willing to manage Leicester next year, would you sack Ranieri?
HighPeakFox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Since some here have put Pearson or MON ahead of Ranieri, i'd like to pose a simple question. If Pearson or MON are willing to manage Leicester next year, would you sack Ranieri? I get why you're asking that, but it is actually slightly absurd.
Sionnach gorm Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 I get why you're asking that, but it is actually slightly absurd. It is a standard inductive argument where by the conclusion followes the premises with some probability. I wouldn't think it absurd...but I could be wrong.
HighPeakFox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Well, it just goes to show that these things need thinking out - who in their right mind would sack Ranieri, even if he cannot (yet) be judged our greatest ever manager?
pazzerfox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Nigel Pearson (and his backroom staff) laid the foundations and is a massive factor to what we are achieving now, but it's no coincidence that we have progressed even more since his departure whilst keeping the same backroom staff. I have no doubt that had Nigel still been here, we would have been in the top 6-8 this season, but would he have had the minerals to do what Claudio is doing is the million dollar question.
erlee Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 9 guys who wrote off Ranieri at the start of the season http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/nine-people-who-wrote-off-claudio-ranieri-at-the-start-of-the-season--WJD38sc7WZ?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 9 guys who wrote off Ranieri at the start of the season http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/nine-people-who-wrote-off-claudio-ranieri-at-the-start-of-the-season--WJD38sc7WZ?utm_source=indy&utm_medium=top5&utm_campaign=i100 There were some on here who didn't want him! "Humble Pie", anyone?
Countryfox Posted 17 April 2016 Posted 17 April 2016 Since some here have put Pearson or MON ahead of Ranieri, i'd like to pose a simple question. If Pearson or MON are willing to manage Leicester next year, would you sack Ranieri? No of course I wouldn't sack Ranieri ... He's a lovely bloke, good man manager and tactically very astute. But NP built this team and put in a terrific infrastructure that is still there. He worked with Walsh to find players that not only were technically good and full of energy but had the right personality and team ethic. That is still very apparent now. MON is a top class manager and will always be in my opinion one of THE best we have had. Just too bloody tough to call .... Love em all. However, to answer the original question if we were lower down the league NP would be my first choice ... If we were in the top 4 I might pick the Don ... But overall I'd go for MON .... By a whisker.
Donut Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 Ranieri is the best ever, followed by O'Neill. Dont see how anyone can think any other.
Jattdogg Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 The plot will thicken when we officially win the league and ranieri peels off his face and reveals his true identity... Preki.
Sublime_Coatsworth Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 If we do go on to win the league then Ranieri will have done what no other Leicester Manager has done in 132 years. So of course he's the best ever Leicester manager - its absurd to think otherwise. Sure Pearson contributed to that, as did the players, the owners and all the coaching and backroom staff. However, Ranieri will have managed and led a team that has achieved something that is quite simply beyond reason. In 100 years time a young boy will point to a bronze statue of a bespectacled old man and say "Who's that dad?" - and his father will reply "That's Mr Ranieri - the greatest manager in the history of Leicester City"
gurru991 Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 How can we even have this conversation. If CR wins the Premier League he automatically becomes our best manager ever. NP got us promoted & kept us up but that just does not compare to a league title. It's not even close.!!
STUHILL Posted 25 April 2016 Posted 25 April 2016 Not only the best but my favourite of all time. Most likeable man in football I've ever come across and hope he stays for many years. Every other fan's favourite man in football too
Guest ttfn Posted 26 April 2016 Posted 26 April 2016 tune? Don't think there are any tunes other than Sloop John B any more.
ErNanna Posted 3 May 2016 Posted 3 May 2016 Done! Lock the fecker! IT IS RANIERI! Bye! Ranieri? Really?
Len Finsbury Posted 3 May 2016 Posted 3 May 2016 Best this, best that - top trumps thinking! 'Given the resources' and 'given the circumstances' have to be the qualifiers for such an aimless question. For some reason it's necessary for some to need to state "the king is dead, long live the king" as if there has to be some definitive manager who everybody bows to, above all others. It's a pub question - vastly amusing but impossible to answer. It's been a loaded question dropped by those who've come in and have wanted to enhance their own feelings of being part of the 'best ever' City team. Well - it is the best ever team I've watched - put together by the structure created with Nigel Pearson at its centre and added to by the structure, centred around Ranieri, that took over from Pearson when he was obliged to go. The team is a product of multiple influences - steered faultlessly by Ranieri - with the nucleus formed earlier and driven by Pearson. Pearson propelled the team from the '3rd' and into the Premier, grabbed the team when it was failing and managed to shake it into the shape it assumed when it avoided relegation so wonderfully. That run of wins created a core of cohesiveness and determination which has personified the following success, unmatched in the Club's history. That 'core' team now might fall apart now - given the attractions of 'big' team football. Ranieri could prove to be the 'best' manager if he succeeds in continuing to keep City challenging to the later stages of the competitions the club is involved in...if and when the player(s) who have been pivotal this season decide to follow their fortunes elsewhere. The management team has abundant resources to attempt that. To continue to preserve the team's solidarity and cohesiveness while improving its level of potential will require a great leader. If Ranieri can do that for the next two or three seasons then maybe it will be time to bring up the question again. If he/they can win the FA Cup then we'll have the full complement of domestic silverware. If he can win the European Cup then he/they can claim to be the collossus of contemporary football. Then he might be approaching the level of achievement of Brian Clough/Peter Taylor. He certainly will have top-trumped the likes of Ron Saunders, Fergie, Busby, Shankly/Paisley and the other handful of managers to win a European trophy - given the resources available. Martin O'Neill still has to be my choice - given what he did with the resources he had. You've been partying too hard, my friend. It's Ranieri
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