That's me banned then...

[fuchsntf]

I'm really trying to have sympathy for you, but to be honest I'm struggling. 

 

You had been previously warned about doing it in the ground (yeah, concourse, but you should know there's no difference), your mate had been chucked out for doing the same thing? Whether you agree with them or not, their rules are theirs to enforce as they see fit. Obviously as fans we hope they do it fairly and without hypocrisy - but that won't always be the case.

 

And to be honest, you're a pilot so you're obviously a smart bloke - surely you should have know better than to even risk getting in trouble?

Dont have to be extra smart to be a pilot, history shows us that...

This also proves it aint character building either.

Foxforum was a wrong idea, if Alpha , bravo, Delta E-cig, expected sympathy..

[Manwell Pablo]

what?

 

Capital Letter start of a sentence.

[HighPeakFox]

what?

I rather assumed that people know the difference between a comma and an apostrophe, which was what was missing from the relevant post.

[leicesterlad1989]

Not the same thing as the OP but at a game in the Championship winning season, we were warned by a steward that we weren't allowed to take photo's. I'd like to point at that is was my mate attempting a "selfie" (we all have a mate who takes one wherever they go). He was told if he persisted then he would have to leave!

 

Didn't know that this wasn't allowed or perhaps it was because my mate was an ugly bastard.

[StanSP]

I rather assumed that people know the difference between a comma and an apostrophe, which was what was missing from the relevant post.

But I wasn't responding to that post. I was responding to Jace spelling 'comma' wrong when he was raising a point about punctuation. It's the irony of it all.

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[onekeithweller]

The Royal College of Physicians has said today that e-cigarettes should be encouraged as an alternative to smoking, as a recent convert to vaping I don't see any harm in it,

but it's gum for games for me. I hope the club reconsiders; maybe you could do a Johnny Depp type video to say you're sorry. 

https://youtu.be/4-QD_JqdOH8

[Fox92]

5 pages on this topic

 

Rules are in place - regardless of whether people think this particular one is harsh or not - and upon breaking them you face punishment, just like when you break any rule in society. Sometimes you might get away with it, sometimes you may not and that's a chance you take.

 

As for the thread descending into grammar posts I see people start with lowercase letters all the time on here but nobody bothers bringing that up because occasionally it's established posters doing it.

[lifted*fox]

The amount of hate in this thread for e-cigs - calling them 'pathetic' etc. is laughable. 

 

Irrespective of this lad getting a ban it wouldn't hurt for people to educate themselves on the good those 'pathetic' e-cigs are doing for smokers, hospitals and society in general (in the bigger picture).

 

Possibly one of the biggest advances in smoking therapy in MANY years - proven to help more people stop SMOKING (actual combustion of tobacco) than patches, gum, pills, etc.

 

Those 'pathetic' e-cigs will eventually save the life of someone you know, maybe your mum / dad / kids, whatever. Those 'pathetic' e-cigs will eventually reduce the number of cancer patients in hospital to the point where beds will free up for people suffering from other types of illness. 

 

And for the record vaping isn't smoking - vaping doesn't involve any combustion. To smoke is to set fire to, combust and inhale the smoke produced from burning tobacco plant material. Vaping is the act of heating up a liquid containing nicotine to form a vapour which is inhaled. 

 

You'd do ****ing well to educate yourselves on the matter before deeming it 'pathetic'. I'd much rather be sat next to someone inhaling a harmless vapour than inhaling the second hand toxins from combusted tobacco.

 

Just to make it clear - vaping helped me to quit a 14 year smoking habit. I don't vape or smoke anymore (7 months clean) but I'm a huge advocate of the good that vaping can do. 

 

Unfortunately for this guy they have made it clear (in my opinion) that using an e-cig in the ground will be punished in the same way as smoking, however different they may be - so therefore no way back from the ban. A polite word of warning first would have been the more amicable solution though. 

[HighPeakFox]

But I wasn't responding to that post. I was responding to Jace spelling 'comma' wrong when he was raising a point about punctuation. It's the irony of it all.

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[NoMoneyButTitles]

The replies here are disgusting in regards to abuse towards E-Cigs. After today's information released by The Royal College of Physicians (as stated a few posts before this) regarding the incredible use it has in helping stopping people smoking, shame on you who are putting them down. Would you rather people attempting to quit smoking go through an even harder ordeal? 

 

We're known for our fans being some of the best in the business, if not THE best. Some of the people in here make me feel ashamed to be associated with you. Enough hate, we're all here to watch and experience this brilliant season. 

 

In regards to OP, it's very tough luck and I will sympathize with you greatly as I could not imagine missing the remaining games. Just be a bit smarter next time mate    Hope your appeal is successful in the end! 

[carled]

It may well help people quit smoking but no-one forced them to start smoking in the first place, so expecting special privilege for a habit formed entirely of someone's own volition isn't likely to get a whole lot of traction I'd have thought.

[NoMoneyButTitles]

It may well help people quit smoking but no-one forced them to start smoking in the first place, so expecting special privilege for a habit formed entirely of someone's own volition isn't likely to get a whole lot of traction I'd have thought.

 

You are quite clearly missing the point then. Do you bully fat people trying to exercise? if you actually encourage people to better themselves then it goes a million miles. It's sad to think people have such a selfish view, I'm sure you're the vision of perfection.

[lifted*fox]

It may well help people quit smoking but no-one forced them to start smoking in the first place, so expecting special privilege for a habit formed entirely of someone's own volition isn't likely to get a whole lot of traction I'd have thought.

 

Smoking is an addiction, an addiction is an illness. We should be encouraging people who are willingly trying to give it up through whatever method they choose.

 

The less smokers in the world, the better place it becomes. 

 

Nobody is asking for special privilege - e-cig users need to remember that not everybody understands how they work and should be mindful of where and when they use them. Chucking out clouds in close proximity to someone at a public event is never going to go down well - irrespective of how much better it is than actual smoking.

 

There needs to be a mutual respect but ignorance from either party won't help anyone. 

[Manwell Pablo]

But I wasn't responding to that post. I was responding to Jace spelling 'comma' wrong when he was raising a point about punctuation. It's the irony of it all.

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Full stop missing.

[carled]

That would be like arguing that fat people should be allowed to bring their own food into the stadium in order to ensure their dietary requirements are met, which the club won't allow as they want to sell their own stuff. Or allowing alcoholics to bring in non-alcoholic lager to drink as they crave the taste but want to give up booze. The point is that the club has rules and you can't have people arbitrarily deciding that their particular habit should be exempt because it's helping them health-wise!

 

I'm not arguing against e-cigs as a means to giving up, I'm perfectly aware of the benefits they offer, but trying to argue (read back through the thread, ffs) that anyone should be allowed to use e-cigs in the stadium "because it's helping them give up smoking, innit" is ridiculous.

[NoMoneyButTitles]

That would be like arguing that fat people should be allowed to bring their own food into the stadium in order to ensure their dietary requirements are met, which the club won't allow as they want to sell their own stuff. Or allowing alcoholics to bring in non-alcoholic lager to drink as they crave the taste but want to give up booze. The point is that the club has rules and you can't have people arbitrarily deciding that their particular habit should be exempt because it's helping them health-wise!

 

I'm not arguing against e-cigs as a means to giving up, I'm perfectly aware of the benefits they offer, but trying to argue (read back through the thread, ffs) that anyone should be allowed to use e-cigs in the stadium "because it's helping them give up smoking, innit" is ridiculous.

 

Not arguing the point of having them in the stadium as I completely agree with that. I dislike people who choose to blow e-cigs in others faces as that is completely disrespectful and unnecessary. But it was this point I did not agree with - 

 

"but no-one forced them to start smoking in the first place"

 

By making comments like that it negatively impacts people trying to quit, just be a bit more considerate mate, will work wonders. Most of my comments were aimed at others in this thread simply insulting those that use e-cigs.  

[Adster]

Do some research.

 

 

Rather not to be honest. I have more important things to be doing than researching a pathetic habbit.

 

Stop being ignorant. The rules are simple and obvious, no matter what way you look at them.

[Great Boos Up]

The irony is; I bet a large proportion of the stadium was bought from the profits of duty free cigarettes

[carled]

http://talksport.com/sports-news/off-the-bench/130326/did-manchester-city-overreact-e-cigarette-user-194429

[carled]

From Southampton's site:

ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES

Electronic cigarettes are not to be used on a matchday as they will give the wrong impression to supporters around the Stadium. To allow their use would cause confusion and possible confrontation between stewards and supporters. With a 32,689 seated Stadium we could not monitor or control the use of electronic cigarettes.

ENFORCEMENT

Supporters and visitors who are found to be smoking on the premises will be asked to leave the Club's premises. This includes anyone found smoking on the premises on a match day when the policy will be enforced by Club Safety Stewards.

Before asking anyone to leave the Club's premises it will be explained to them that they are in breach of Southampton FC's no smoking policy and Ground Regulations.

Those who do not comply with the smoking regulations will be liable to a fixed penalty fine and / or criminal prosecution. Your co-operation in respecting our policy will be greatly appreciated.

[thybluefox]

The amount of hate in this thread for e-cigs - calling them 'pathetic' etc. is laughable. 

 

Irrespective of this lad getting a ban it wouldn't hurt for people to educate themselves on the good those 'pathetic' e-cigs are doing for smokers, hospitals and society in general (in the bigger picture).

 

Possibly one of the biggest advances in smoking therapy in MANY years - proven to help more people stop SMOKING (actual combustion of tobacco) than patches, gum, pills, etc.

 

Those 'pathetic' e-cigs will eventually save the life of someone you know, maybe your mum / dad / kids, whatever. Those 'pathetic' e-cigs will eventually reduce the number of cancer patients in hospital to the point where beds will free up for people suffering from other types of illness. 

 

And for the record vaping isn't smoking - vaping doesn't involve any combustion. To smoke is to set fire to, combust and inhale the smoke produced from burning tobacco plant material. Vaping is the act of heating up a liquid containing nicotine to form a vapour which is inhaled. 

 

You'd do ****ing well to educate yourselves on the matter before deeming it 'pathetic'. I'd much rather be sat next to someone inhaling a harmless vapour than inhaling the second hand toxins from combusted tobacco.

 

Just to make it clear - vaping helped me to quit a 14 year smoking habit. I don't vape or smoke anymore (7 months clean) but I'm a huge advocate of the good that vaping can do. 

 

Unfortunately for this guy they have made it clear (in my opinion) that using an e-cig in the ground will be punished in the same way as smoking, however different they may be - so therefore no way back from the ban. A polite word of warning first would have been the more amicable solution though. 

 

Most of the people I know who "vape" are far more addicted to Nicotine than they ever were when they were smoking normally. I agree they're less harmful than proper cigarettes, but that doesn't mean they/re harmless.

[lifted*fox]

Most of the people I know who "vape" are far more addicted to Nicotine than they ever were when they were smoking normally. I agree they're less harmful than proper cigarettes, but that doesn't mean they/re harmless.

 

I'm not going to go into scientific specifics with you because there isn't much point but nicotine consumption in itself is about as harmful as caffeine in the coffee you drink. The difference is that ingesting your nicotine through a e-cig / vape bypasses the hundreds of toxins in present in cigarettes. So whilst your acquaintances who are vaping might be 'more addicted' by which I assume you mean they 'put their vape to their mouth more times in a day than they would a normal cigarette' they're still in an unequivocally better place than they would be.

 

Your body will self-regulate as to how much nicotine it can physically ingest. An argument people have against vaping is that you vape more than you smoke because there isn't a physical 'end' to a vape. If you stand outside and smoke 3 cigarettes in a row your head will spin, you will most likely feel a bit sick and will stop smoking. If you vape 100 times over the course of 5 minutes you will still get the same feeling. Your body tells you when it has had enough nicotine. 

 

I'd advise your friends to look at lowering the nicotine level in their juice - they will still get the action of vaping - hand to mouth, something to do - but the ingestion of nicotine will be reduced. This is what I did - 24mg, 18mg, 11mg, 3mg, 0mg. Once you're down to 0mg you're literally vaping because it gives you the mental satisfaction and connection to 'getting away from your desk' or similar triggers that smoking originally helped you with. At that point it's easy to stop altogether.

 

I spent a lot of time during my 5 years of vaping reading, researching, attending various talks about it's safety, etc - I'd quite happily bet I know a lot more about it than your average Joe on the street. Hearing people call it 'pathetic' and a 'pathetic habit' annoys me because they have absolutely no ****ing clue what they're talking about. 

 

It is already SAVING LIVES and it will continue to do so as long as ignorant ****-heads don't keep spewing their stupid opinions and make the government think they're doing the right thing by banning it. 

 

As I've already said - on the flip side: e-gic users / vapers NEED TO RESPECT THE RULES that establishments put in place regarding vaping. By ignoring LCFC's request not to vape in the ground all you are doing is building a bigger argument against a potentially life / world-changing nicotine replacement therapy.

[trabuch]

What Daz said.

[fuchsntf]

I dont like the smoking habit, nor E-cig Vapors, many who smoked over the years

ignored non-smokers aggrevations, even those like me who just accepted the

ignorant society has it was, blowing smoke in other peoples faces was

considered amusing, I worked in the gastronomy, ashtray breath was accepted,

Restaurants and pubs full of smoke was accepted, so one could enjoy all types

within your clique or cliques of friends.Not once can I remember a smoker stepping

back, and have any thoughts or considerations of non smokers within their crowd.

Smokers also, drank, farted and ate unhealthily and some got fat, so you cant

split one vice from the other, to try and prove some silly irrelevant point.

I didnt complain when I couldnt find a non-smokers room, there was no platform

to do so, either at work or socially.

Then!! people didnt get necessarily wiser, but discovered smoking was a strain on

health and the NHS, plus other things.So some establishments around parts of the world

became no-smoking areas. Personally it was nice to go out, and not coming back reaking

of other peoples smoke.But I disagreed that smokers should be suddenly 'denouned' or just

ignored. The society had bummed up to them and used them for over 100s yrs'

willingly accepting the financial income and advantages of status, they brought.

NOW we have the E-cig, where these poor down-trodden peoples feel again hard done by.

They still stay ignorant of other peoples close enviroment, blowing vapor without 2nd thought

into friends and strangers close atmosphere, few again asking if its alright.

Even after that I strongly believe every single entertainment area should supply smoking areas.

From green parks, sports grounds through to Theaters, malls, city areas and football grounds.

Restaurants and pubs can make up their minds depending how the modern clientel,

and their own regulars see or judge it.

In turn all type of smokers, should be thoughtfull, and take their clips/dogends with them,

literring laws of all kinds should be harshly treated, including spitting, chewinggum waste,

and from foreign habit of tchat/tobacco -spitting.

KP and other stadia, could easily accomodate Smoking, Shisha/hooka lounges.

Some people cant go 90 mins without a drag, live and let live...

But in turn ASBOS, no matter what their proffesion, if they ignore regularly signs and their

fellow citizens, and ignore simple etiquette towards fellow audience/supporters, then question

a steward or member of companies staff, causing extra altercations, now tell me its a shame.

Yes we have some stewards who go over the top, and forget natural/emotional movement or joy,

standing up is a natural action and reaction, like eating is a natural habit.

IF you got thrown out because of standing..sue !! Then take any video of that game showing

Other fans doing the same with no action taken, and have them for defamation of character,

including discrimination.. (towards and between areas of agreed open spaces).

In the closed/during season has a ST-holder have official fan platforms, to try and bring

a fair decorum between club officials and fans. Not forgetting its not oneway traffic,

we do have some real dipsticks on the terraces as well as the streets.

Vaporing delibrately isnt..!!

.

[Guest Mee-9]

You knew the rules.

Pay the price, yeah it's harsh but you puffing shite into everyone elses face/kids faces is still not right.