NO DRINKWATER

[Guest Cujek]

Still not as boring as Man U though

It isn't for the want of trying.

**** this England team and **** Hodgson, out of touch clown shoe willy puller

[patrickblue]

That's about twelve years of building the team around Wooney. And it still hasn't worked.

They never learn.

[okie fox]

Rooney really screwed Vardy and Kane by occupying their space on the field.

[Wymsey]

Can't Rooney just do one?

Reckon team plays better without him as he doesn't know what he should do and when.

[Tuna]

Probably best Drinky didn't go, Woy would put him in centre defence the dumb old ****er.

[GingerrrFox]

Deep playmakers in world football: Pirlo, Alonso, Verratti, Xhaka, Kroos and Modric. Who do England play? Eric ****ing Dier!!!

You need to have a player with the movement and passing ability to create in a formation such as the diamond. Owl face plays a converted centre back who didn't even start for the U21s, and moves like Frankenstein round the pitch. How the **** has Drinky not got that role over him?

[foxes21]

even united play better without rooney, let alone England

[Countryfox]

Probably best Drinky didn't go, Woy would put him in centre defence the dumb old ****er.

No no .... He'd play him up front on the left .. Then he could drop Vardy.

[Raw Dykes]

Rooney really screwed Vardy and Kane by occupying their space on the field.

 

Exactly that.

 

Rooney might be decent as an attacking midfielder behind Vardy and Kane, but he was often the furthest forward tonight. That meant Vardy and Kane were both pushed wide, nullifying both. It's so stupid. Everyone can see that Vardy and Kane should be the front two after the season they've had. That's how you start writing the team sheet, surely?

 

Shockingly bad performance, that.

 

I'm fully prepared for yet another lame tournament to forget for England.

[okie fox]

The narrow-diamond system (Gary Neville's influence?) was set up for Vardy, Kane, Alli, and Milner to fail and for Rooney (who did not deliver), Walker and Rose to look good in the vacated space.  Dier even gets high marks in some papers for defensive work against a 10-man team (without Ronaldo), but he didn't spark any decent attacks.  Leicester would not have won the league with a narrow diamond, a defensive midfielder and without wide midfielders.  Drinkwater and Kante were frequently outnumbered in midfield but they held their own.  So Woy, why no Drinkwater??

[GloverFox]

... no Drinkwater as we have a blinkered and inept managerial team taking England to new lows. The persistence with Rooney is mind-boggling, even LVG sussed him out eventually!

How many times did the commentary team say words to the effect of 'no killer ball into the final third' ... even the over-biased drivel from Hoddle identified the same failing. Whilst Danny 'failed' to make the squad his absence is obvious to a lot of folks, as is the pace and threat that Townsend would have provided. I think more people will become ever more disillusioned with the current style of play as this tournament goes on, but will the FA listen or care????

[Tielemans63]

Exactly that.

Rooney might be decent as an attacking midfielder behind Vardy and Kane, but he was often the furthest forward tonight. That meant Vardy and Kane were both pushed wide, nullifying both. It's so stupid. Everyone can see that Vardy and Kane should be the front two after the season they've had. That's how you start writing the team sheet, surely?

Shockingly bad performance, that.

I'm fully prepared for yet another lame tournament to forget for England.

It ****s me right off mate. Drives me bloody mad that somehow the continued inclusion of Rooney and the career of English footballs top scorer is somehow more important than the overall success of the team????

I don't have anything against Rooney, I think he's a good player (even if clearly in the first stages of a decline) but I just find it mind-boggling when everyone can see there's a system that could work nicely which just so happens to not include Rooney - so why does Roy switch to a a completely ineffective system just to accommodate him?

Let's hope Roy was just experimenting last night and has the good sense to switch to 4-4-2 for the first game.

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[ThaiFox]

No no .... He'd play him up front on the left .. Then he could drop Vardy.

No no........He'd drop them both and bring back Walcott!

[ThaiFox]

I always want England to do well, but I have had enough of Hodgson, he doesn't have a clue... it will end badly but the bright side to that is no more bloody Hodgson. I have prepared myself for this campaign to be yet another embarrassment

Don't hold your breath about a bright side....this is the FA we're talking about. Hodgson will go...to be replaced with a Glenn Twaddle and David Bleat dream team......so they can both cream over spuds players all night long.

[Tielemans63]

I think Vardy will get dropped. He shouldn't be but will be.

The way England deployed him last night, it was like entering a Formula One car in a boat race.

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[st albans fox]

It could be argued that Roy did his utmost to find a way of including his best players (inc vards) - didn't work. If he is set on playing Rooney (which he is) then he should drop JV. that way he can get Alli further forward centrally and be more balanced across his midfield, protecting the back 4. Last nights system was just terrible first half. we will fail because the manager is hell bent on playing the best players rather than the best system for the players that he has. mind you, he already told us that systems don't win matches - nob!

dier was ineffective because he didn't have anything to do, especially once they went to 10. So why continue with that screening midfielder? A waste of time. a more positive holding midfielder like Henderson or wilshere should have been brought on at that juncture. (Drinkwater would be better than both in that role but that's a pointless argument now).

[Tielemans63]

But didn't you know? Footballers win matches not systems. Everyone knows that.

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[Tuna]

Wouldn't it be a great idea if they made it so anyone with a British passport could play for any international team in the British Isles?

 

It would be great to see Woy's bunch of losers defeated by a Welsh side featuring Mark Noble, Troy Deeney and Michal Antonio.

[AjcW]

Wouldn't it be a great idea if they made it so anyone with a British passport could play for any international team in the British Isles?

 

It would be great to see Woy's bunch of losers defeated by a Welsh side featuring Mark Noble, Troy Deeney and Michal Antonio.

They're going to get beaten by a Welsh side without those three anyway!

[zealot]

England so so pedestrian in pace. Last night Rooney didn't help by slowing everything down. Several times England got the ball in midfield and Vardy was off but ball didn't come over the top.

 

Incandescent with rage about it. Jesus, just drop JV for goodness sake it's so painful watching him try so hard out of position. Rooney + Vardy + Kane doesn't go. So stop trying it!

Clearly he should drop Rooney but he's made him captain so he won't. Use Vardy as an impact sub but set the team up to make the most of him and play the right balls to him it's no use playing to his feet with his back to goal.

He had three matches and not once has he tried a Leicester-style (quick counter-attacking) formation using Drinkwater and Vardy to their strengths. So it'll be more of the same a dull tight, give nothing away and going out on penos bull-sheet. Rooney, Alli and others surely can play a simple ball over the top!

Can't wait for Wilshere's to get an inevitable crack in his glass-ankles, Henderson to come a cropper and Lallana to not even get on the pitch once in the whole tournament...

I'm going to support France instead - I've decided. 

 

Allez N'golo!!!

[Guest]

Wouldn't it be a great idea if they made it so anyone with a British passport could play for any international team in the British Isles?

 

It would be great to see Woy's bunch of losers defeated by a Welsh side featuring Mark Noble, Troy Deeney and Michal Antonio.

 

No it wouldn't.

[steflcfc]

When I seen the initial line up I though, just what we needed Rooney in the hole and vardy and kane up front.

How wrong was I.

Tactics and formation were totally wrong by Roy.

He should have seen this after 20 mins but no he carries on.

Right players wrong system.

Hoddle said when sterling to come on that we needed pace.....we had pace on the pitch but Roy wasn't utilising what he has to get the best out of our players.

That formation was to accommodate Rooney, and it didn't work.

Vardy and Kane upfront is So obvious, we can all see it but Roy can't.

Even Rashford gets a start upfront.

Playing a 50 goal strike force on the wings....tactical genius!!

Sooner were put out our misery and Roy gets the chop the better.

[Manwell Pablo]

Liverpool won the league in '86 but no Liverpool players were picked by England that year.

Says it all really, the FA are f***ing Arseholes

Doesn't say anything.

Liverpools stand out players that season were mainly not English. They had a lot of Scots molby running the midfield and rush scoring the goals.

I'm all for well thought out critical opinions of the FA but we made a world cup semi in the following tournament.

Serious question for a few people. Do you actually thing Danny Drinkwater is a better player than Jack Wilshire? ( please reframe from bringing the other midfielders we are taking into the discussions I'm not saying DD shouldn't be going I'm just amazed so few people are willing to take a gamble on genuinely talented midfielder just because he HAS been injured)

[The Doctor]

Serious question for a few people. Do you actually thing Danny Drinkwater is a better player than Jack Wilshire? ( please reframe from bringing the other midfielders we are taking into the discussions I'm not saying DD shouldn't be going I'm just amazed so few people are willing to take a gamble on genuinely talented midfielder just because he HAS been injured)

 

Entirely different question to the point people are discussing.

 

Drinkwater obviously isn't better than Wilshere when both are at full fitness. But gambling on him, massively injury prone as it is, being available for up to 7 games in 30 days when he's only just come back from 12 months out injured? Massive risk to be taking - he's not back to fitness, certainly nowhere near the level to play that many games in that quick succession. 

[Manwell Pablo]

Entirely different question to the point people are discussing.

 

Drinkwater obviously isn't better than Wilshere when both are at full fitness. But gambling on him, massively injury prone as it is, being available for up to 7 games in 30 days when he's only just come back from 12 months out injured? Massive risk to be taking - he's not back to fitness, certainly nowhere near the level to play that many games in that quick succession.

But surely one you've got to take? This isn't a beckham or Rooney scenario where he has been rushed back, he's completed a good amount of games since recovering and is the best player we have in that position.

Surely the question we should be asking is why we are taking some of the other players, if Wiltshire gets injured cest la vie we have people to fit in but surely we should be trying to play him if he's back fit regardless of how long he has been out.