something cant be right in the dressing room

[funkyrobot]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Newsflash: 

 

We could be in the Zone tonight. 

Newsflash - no we can't 

[AmarteyAndChill]

1 hour ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Newsflash: 

 

We could be in the Zone tonight. 

No we won't. The lowest we can be is 16th.

[Guest Col city fan]

So many fookin theories abound at the moment! 

FT always gets like this when we are struggling.

This term, I never thought we'd get anywhere near our achievements of last season. Last season was a miracle. It all gelled. Whatever we kicked went in, whatever we blocked got cleared.

It was strange, delightful, wonderful.

 

I don't think we've dipped due to improved contracts. I think that's crap. Our top earners weren't exactly short of a few bob anyway were they? They could basically afford whatever they wanted , ten times over, BEFORE the pay rises. And I don't see Kante 'not being bothered' cos he's being paid more. He's remained as good as he ever was.

Its a nonsense argument IMO. And I ask again, who on here was moaning at the time the contracts were renewed and improved? I didn't see many posters moaning then or suggesting 'it will be our downfall'!

 

Here's another theory.....we simply aren't very good. I've been trying to say for weeks that our midfield at this level is a joke. Huth and Morgan probably had their best season in 2015/16 and have not been replaced. Not even one of them has been rested particularly. 

The club is doing RIDICULOUS things at the moment. I think we simply became hugely complacent over the summer, thinking we were amazing and that it would continue into this season.

Argue over what you know. None of us know if there has been a dressing room bust up, if so and so has fallen out with such and such or if the Don has 'lost the dressing room'

What we DO know is that we have some very average players at the moment. Some are crap. We've lost our most influential player and have been playing Amartey instead. Huth and Morgan are past their best. Albrighton looks like the player we always knew he was....not bad.

Kasper is missing. Drinkwater has been banned.

 

It's not rocket science ladies and gents. We've gone backwards and, given the opportunity we had, this is basically unforgiveable.

 

Make no bones about it. And this is aimed at those funny people who have been saying they'd keep Ranieri even if he gets us relegated.... IF this happens, if we go down this season, it will be the biggest achievement, followed by the biggest sporting fook up in history. To win the Premier League one year, to get relegated from it, in successive seasons, would take some doing!

[Clever Fox]

10 hours ago, Bunyip said:

If Ranieri has no say in who is recruited then what is the point of him being a manager ?  Would you take on the role of manager and have no say in who you are going to have as players ?  I'm pretty sure for all his faults Pearson would never have stood for that.

I doubt very much this is the case. didn't Walsh have to plead with CR to sign Kante when CR wanted Mendy. Wasn't it CR who allowed Kante to leave or made little effort to keep him. Then surprise surprise who do we sign to replace him. Now maybe he's as good and maybe he's not, unfortunately because of his injury we haven't had a chance to find out.

In Pearsons time Walsh found the players and Pearson signed them.  Personally I believe Walsh left because he felt his work was constantly questioned or being ignored.

The other likely reason which I hate to mention is that his integrity was being compromised by others. With questionable signings for personal gain. I sincerely hope that type hasn't got into our Club or we really are f__ked.

[Spiritwalker]

Kante was allowed to leave because he had a contract clause.

Mendy was not signed as Kante's replacement.

[ZeGuy]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

So many fookin theories abound at the moment! 

FT always gets like this when we are struggling.

This term, I never thought we'd get anywhere near our achievements of last season. Last season was a miracle. It all gelled. Whatever we kicked went in, whatever we blocked got cleared.

It was strange, delightful, wonderful.

 

I don't think we've dipped due to improved contracts. I think that's crap. Our top earners weren't exactly short of a few bob anyway were they? They could basically afford whatever they wanted , ten times over, BEFORE the pay rises. And I don't see Kante 'not being bothered' cos he's being paid more. He's remained as good as he ever was.

Its a nonsense argument IMO. And I ask again, who on here was moaning at the time the contracts were renewed and improved? I didn't see many posters moaning then or suggesting 'it will be our downfall'!

 

Here's another theory.....we simply aren't very good. I've been trying to say for weeks that our midfield at this level is a joke. Huth and Morgan probably had their best season in 2015/16 and have not been replaced. Not even one of them has been rested particularly. 

The club is doing RIDICULOUS things at the moment. I think we simply became hugely complacent over the summer, thinking we were amazing and that it would continue into this season.

Argue over what you know. None of us know if there has been a dressing room bust up, if so and so has fallen out with such and such or if the Don has 'lost the dressing room'

What we DO know is that we have some very average players at the moment. Some are crap. We've lost our most influential player and have been playing Amartey instead. Huth and Morgan are past their best. Albrighton looks like the player we always knew he was....not bad.

Kasper is missing. Drinkwater has been banned.

 

It's not rocket science ladies and gents. We've gone backwards and, given the opportunity we had, this is basically unforgiveable.

 

Make no bones about it. And this is aimed at those funny people who have been saying they'd keep Ranieri even if he gets us relegated.... IF this happens, if we go down this season, it will be the biggest achievement, followed by the biggest sporting fook up in history. To win the Premier League one year, to get relegated from it, in successive seasons, would take some doing!

Amen to that.

[Clever Fox]

1 hour ago, Spiritwalker said:

Kante was allowed to leave because he had a contract clause.

Mendy was not signed as Kante's replacement.

Didn't Vardy have a similar Clause and he wasn't allowed leave. CR wanted Mendy and Walsh had to plead and beg for us to sign Kante. Why didn't CR fight to keep Kante especially after his he had proved himself.  It's strange then Kante is allowed leave and Mendy arrives.

As for Walsh this and other very strange decisions decided he wanted to move on. Just as strange as in Kante's case he was allowed to.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

On 03/12/2016 at 17:54, Bunyip said:

Trouble is are any recruits in January going to be any better than the dross that Ranieri has recruited so far ? even without mentioning Inler and the other non starters  -Musa - Slimani - Armaty  ? all championship players at best . £ 60 million down the drain and that's without

the wages . 

 

Sorry Ranieri has to go . The buck stops with him.

His management this season has been baffling but let's get the facts straight. 

 

All the above signings were Walsh's - not Ranieri's

[Monsell1976]

3 hours ago, Col city fan said:

So many fookin theories abound at the moment! 

FT always gets like this when we are struggling.

This term, I never thought we'd get anywhere near our achievements of last season. Last season was a miracle. It all gelled. Whatever we kicked went in, whatever we blocked got cleared.

It was strange, delightful, wonderful.

 

I don't think we've dipped due to improved contracts. I think that's crap. Our top earners weren't exactly short of a few bob anyway were they? They could basically afford whatever they wanted , ten times over, BEFORE the pay rises. And I don't see Kante 'not being bothered' cos he's being paid more. He's remained as good as he ever was.

Its a nonsense argument IMO. And I ask again, who on here was moaning at the time the contracts were renewed and improved? I didn't see many posters moaning then or suggesting 'it will be our downfall'!

 

Here's another theory.....we simply aren't very good. I've been trying to say for weeks that our midfield at this level is a joke. Huth and Morgan probably had their best season in 2015/16 and have not been replaced. Not even one of them has been rested particularly. 

The club is doing RIDICULOUS things at the moment. I think we simply became hugely complacent over the summer, thinking we were amazing and that it would continue into this season.

Argue over what you know. None of us know if there has been a dressing room bust up, if so and so has fallen out with such and such or if the Don has 'lost the dressing room'

What we DO know is that we have some very average players at the moment. Some are crap. We've lost our most influential player and have been playing Amartey instead. Huth and Morgan are past their best. Albrighton looks like the player we always knew he was....not bad.

Kasper is missing. Drinkwater has been banned.

 

It's not rocket science ladies and gents. We've gone backwards and, given the opportunity we had, this is basically unforgiveable.

 

Make no bones about it. And this is aimed at those funny people who have been saying they'd keep Ranieri even if he gets us relegated.... IF this happens, if we go down this season, it will be the biggest achievement, followed by the biggest sporting fook up in history. To win the Premier League one year, to get relegated from it, in successive seasons, would take some doing!

The point I was trying to get over in the defence thread, but you put it over better col.

Good post as usual mate, and spot on.

[Monk]

I think we all believe to some extent that our survival run and two seasons ago and our incredible spirit last season was down to actions the club took with the atmosphere, Pearson and then Claudio changing the formation, and that it just took a long time for the squad to click. 

 

I think we lost that over the summer through the euros and transfer rumours etx. 

 

The club and manager have to find a way to re build that spirit. Yes the squad isn't as good, and other teams are upping their game but ultimately this is about us. 

 

Claudio isn't a fool, he will know things need to change now, the problem is he doesn't have a huge amount of options without resorting to 'square peg round hole' syndrome that we had a decade of before 2015. 

 

I think we will struggle over Christmas and be in the bottom three on New Year's Day. I think we will then have a recovery and finish mid table, hopefully with a respectable points total. 

[ajthefox]

4 hours ago, Col city fan said:

So many fookin theories abound at the moment! 

FT always gets like this when we are struggling.

This term, I never thought we'd get anywhere near our achievements of last season. Last season was a miracle. It all gelled. Whatever we kicked went in, whatever we blocked got cleared.

It was strange, delightful, wonderful.

 

I don't think we've dipped due to improved contracts. I think that's crap. Our top earners weren't exactly short of a few bob anyway were they? They could basically afford whatever they wanted , ten times over, BEFORE the pay rises. And I don't see Kante 'not being bothered' cos he's being paid more. He's remained as good as he ever was.

Its a nonsense argument IMO. And I ask again, who on here was moaning at the time the contracts were renewed and improved? I didn't see many posters moaning then or suggesting 'it will be our downfall'!

 

Here's another theory.....we simply aren't very good. I've been trying to say for weeks that our midfield at this level is a joke. Huth and Morgan probably had their best season in 2015/16 and have not been replaced. Not even one of them has been rested particularly. 

The club is doing RIDICULOUS things at the moment. I think we simply became hugely complacent over the summer, thinking we were amazing and that it would continue into this season.

Argue over what you know. None of us know if there has been a dressing room bust up, if so and so has fallen out with such and such or if the Don has 'lost the dressing room'

What we DO know is that we have some very average players at the moment. Some are crap. We've lost our most influential player and have been playing Amartey instead. Huth and Morgan are past their best. Albrighton looks like the player we always knew he was....not bad.

Kasper is missing. Drinkwater has been banned.

 

It's not rocket science ladies and gents. We've gone backwards and, given the opportunity we had, this is basically unforgiveable.

 

Make no bones about it. And this is aimed at those funny people who have been saying they'd keep Ranieri even if he gets us relegated.... IF this happens, if we go down this season, it will be the biggest achievement, followed by the biggest sporting fook up in history. To win the Premier League one year, to get relegated from it, in successive seasons, would take some doing!

I agree with a fair amount of what you've said but there's one thing that sticks out to me.

 

How could we realistically not go backwards? We could improve our squad as a bunch of individuals but we couldn't possibly have put together a better team. You could sub any individual player into our squad last season, and it probably wouldn't have improved us that much because our team last year was far more than the sum of the parts.

[HighPeakFox]

Unforgivable? When people use these sorts of words about football teams, I have to laugh. 

[NotTheMarketLeader]

12 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

Newsflash - no we can't 

Ah yes, we are better than I thought. 

[Guest Col city fan]

7 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

Unforgivable? When people use these sorts of words about football teams, I have to laugh. 

What's wrong with that term? It's not rude, or abusive.

And it's true. I still don't think we'll get relegated. I think we'll still win enough home games.

But if we did, it would be unforgivable, based upon the amazingly strong position we were in.

I notice you seem to troll about the forum, picking up on words you think posters shouldn't use.

How's about giving your view on football once in a while, rather than this rubbish?

[Guest Col city fan]

7 hours ago, ajthefox said:

I agree with a fair amount of what you've said but there's one thing that sticks out to me.

 

How could we realistically not go backwards? We could improve our squad as a bunch of individuals but we couldn't possibly have put together a better team. You could sub any individual player into our squad last season, and it probably wouldn't have improved us that much because our team last year was far more than the sum of the parts.

It's all relative. A significant part of why we won the league last season was that the opposition weren't as good.

Most of us said this over the summer. Man City brought in Guardiola, Chelsea got Conte. The big boys all spent and improved their squads. Arsenal this season for instance....much better than last term since signing Mustafi.

I think we have gone backwards as a squad. Regardless of what happened last season, we ourselves have gone backwards.

We lost Kante..possibly the best box to box CM in the world? We are still insisting on playing two ageing centre backs week-in, week-out. Mendy has been injured all season and Mahrez and Vardy look a shadow of the players they did last season. Of course, winning the campaign last term meant we would go backwards this term, position wise. But I think we have as a squad ourselves too.

[lgfualol]

11 hours ago, Col city fan said:

I don't think we've dipped due to improved contracts. I think that's crap. Our top earners weren't exactly short of a few bob anyway were they? They could basically afford whatever they wanted , ten times over, BEFORE the pay rises. And I don't see Kante 'not being bothered' cos he's being paid more. He's remained as good as he ever was.

I'm still wearing a tin foil hat with regards to this. Kanté is still quite young, and if he keeps working he could have the choice of any football club in the world. We've got a few older players that have peaked last season, I don't think it's possible for the likes of Huth, Morgan, Vardy, Simpson, Albrighton etc to progress further in terms of wages and future clubs. Whereas I think Schmeichel and Drinkwater still have a chance to be even more successful and they both still have the hunger. The players inbetween are just not that great.

 

I think this is what we're missing this season. I am prepared to be told to take off my tin foil hat though

[suffolk fox]

10 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

I doubt very much this is the case. didn't Walsh have to plead with CR to sign Kante when CR wanted Mendy. Wasn't it CR who allowed Kante to leave or made little effort to keep him. Then surprise surprise who do we sign to replace him. Now maybe he's as good and maybe he's not, unfortunately because of his injury we haven't had a chance to find out.

In Pearsons time Walsh found the players and Pearson signed them.  Personally I believe Walsh left because he felt his work was constantly questioned or being ignored.

The other likely reason which I hate to mention is that his integrity was being compromised by others. With questionable signings for personal gain. I sincerely hope that type hasn't got into our Club or we really are f__ked.

Don't let your conspiracy theory get in the way at all lol.  No, nothing to do with Walsh wanting to be nearer to his family who are all based in the North West he himself admitted this when he left.

 

Both he and Shakespere signed improved contracts after we had won the league we could have insisted he stayed.  However, we let him go cos we are a decent club.

 

Conspiracy theorists on here carry on dragging our club down.  Jeez with supporters like you lot who needs enemies.

[shiv]

The closest thing I've seen to a "bust up" was Slimani telling Vardy where he should be running (even though he was the one making crap passes). Even then, they hi fived each other whilst this was going on.

 

Also noticed Slimani going mental when we conceded, but that's more passion than anything. Don't mind seeing that, although he should probably focus on himself as he was gash on Saturday  

[sylofox]

10 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

Didn't Vardy have a similar Clause and he wasn't allowed leave. CR wanted Mendy and Walsh had to plead and beg for us to sign Kante. Why didn't CR fight to keep Kante especially after his he had proved himself.  It's strange then Kante is allowed leave and Mendy arrives.

As for Walsh this and other very strange decisions decided he wanted to move on. Just as strange as in Kante's case he was allowed to.

conspiracy number 2435 not bad for the season so far I guess.

[sylofox]

9 hours ago, Monsell1976 said:

The point I was trying to get over in the defence thread, but you put it over better col.

Good post as usual mate, and spot on.

I guess Col buys your beer all weekend then Monsell.

[Guest Col city fan]

36 minutes ago, sylofox said:

I guess Col buys your beer all weekend then Monsell.

Shut up Welly! Just cos no-one likes your posts.....

 

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Shut up Welly! Just cos no-one likes your posts.....

 

Did i hit a nerve with that one Col

[Guest Col city fan]

6 minutes ago, sylofox said:

Did i hit a nerve with that one Col

 

[Clever Fox]

1 hour ago, suffolk fox said:

Don't let your conspiracy theory get in the way at all lol.  No, nothing to do with Walsh wanting to be nearer to his family who are all based in the North West he himself admitted this when he left.

 

Both he and Shakespere signed improved contracts after we had won the league we could have insisted he stayed.  However, we let him go cos we are a decent club.

 

Conspiracy theorists on here carry on dragging our club down.  Jeez with supporters like you lot who needs enemies.

 Was he thinking of his Family when he signed his new Contract. No he wasn't. He's lived away from home for years with Chelsea Hull and Leicester.

Something happened to upset him. Either being overlooked for the DIF job or he had a difference of opinion with CR as to playing targets. Someone of his ability wants to be valued and rightly so. Not just another name on the payroll.

Do you seriously think that you go from champions to can't win  Match without something happening that's upset people. It didn't happen at Chelsea and it's not happened here. Look at Chelsea now pretty much the same players.

You can live in your own little make believe world if you wish. Me , I've been in this game to long to know differently.

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, lgfualol said:

I'm still wearing a tin foil hat with regards to this. Kanté is still quite young, and if he keeps working he could have the choice of any football club in the world. We've got a few older players that have peaked last season, I don't think it's possible for the likes of Huth, Morgan, Vardy, Simpson, Albrighton etc to progress further in terms of wages and future clubs. Whereas I think Schmeichel and Drinkwater still have a chance to be even more successful and they both still have the hunger. The players inbetween are just not that great.

 

I think this is what we're missing this season. I am prepared to be told to take off my tin foil hat though

I don't think it's about wages, the amount in their pay packets won't demotivate them that much, considering they were all multi millionaires anyway. What's happened is they have been part of and won the biggest thing they ever will... there were only one or two players that realistically could go on to bigger and better things or go somewhere and expect to win more.

 

Pearson always said he wanted hungry players with something to prove... what we did proved their point, and I think took away some of that hunger. That extra yard we'd run, the extra effort to win a tackle etc.

 

It's not the money, it's what they achieved and knowing it will never happen again.