something cant be right in the dressing room

[Babylon]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Arsenal this season for instance....much better than last term since signing Mustafi.

Hard to quantify really as I think it's pretty well acknowledged that the top boys were under performing last year. They've actually conceded more this year after 14 games than they had last. It's up front where they are hitting more goals.

[Babylon]

13 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

 Was he thinking of his Family when he signed his new Contract. No he wasn't. He's lived away from home for years with Chelsea Hull and Leicester.

Did he have any other offers at the time? You have no idea.

 

It's never going to be JUST about one thing or the other. The reality is he got an offer from a bigger club, on more money, with more responsibility and got to move closer to his family as well. On top of that, the only way way down here.

 

Yes he probably lost some of his authority with regards transfers the minute Pearson went. But it doesn't mean he's upset and didn't wish to stay here... he was clearly happy as he's signed a new contract. But sometimes a better offer comes along, you don't have to be upset just to move on.

 

As for something happening... something has happened. We won the league and we've got a lot of players with nothing left to prove. We're playing against teams that know how to play us (writing was on the wall end of last season) and we've not sufficiently replaced our best player.

[HighPeakFox]

5 hours ago, Col city fan said:

What's wrong with that term? It's not rude, or abusive.

And it's true. I still don't think we'll get relegated. I think we'll still win enough home games.

But if we did, it would be unforgivable, based upon the amazingly strong position we were in.

I notice you seem to troll about the forum, picking up on words you think posters shouldn't use.

How's about giving your view on football once in a while, rather than this rubbish?

I don't troll and I do often offer my opinion, just not in pejorative or emotive  terms such as this. 

 

It's a shame really because I largely agreed with your post (and have defended you in the past) and yet you've taken this personally. 

[midland_red]

13 hours ago, Monk said:

I think we all believe to some extent that our survival run and two seasons ago and our incredible spirit last season was down to actions the club took with the atmosphere, Pearson and then Claudio changing the formation, and that it just took a long time for the squad to click. 

 

I think we lost that over the summer through the euros and transfer rumours etx. 

 

The club and manager have to find a way to re build that spirit. Yes the squad isn't as good, and other teams are upping their game but ultimately this is about us. 

 

Claudio isn't a fool, he will know things need to change now, the problem is he doesn't have a huge amount of options without resorting to 'square peg round hole' syndrome that we had a decade of before 2015. 

 

I think we will struggle over Christmas and be in the bottom three on New Year's Day. I think we will then have a recovery and finish mid table, hopefully with a respectable points total. 

 

what do you think will cause the recovery post New Year?

[Monk]

6 minutes ago, midland_red said:

 

what do you think will cause the recovery post New Year?

 

I don't think any of us know what will turn things around but I think:

Mendy being fully fit

Drinkwater has had chance to re charge the batteries

Possible replacement for Huth

A general kick up the backside by the owners

Vardy waking up in the real world

[Izzy]

22 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

I don't troll and I do often offer my opinion, just not in pejorative or emotive  terms such as this. 

 

It's a shame really because I largely agreed with your post (and have defended you in the past) and yet you've taken this personally. 

I had to look up 'pejorative' 

 

[foxy boxing]

10 minutes ago, midland_red said:

 

what do you think will cause the recovery post New Year?

Vardy seeing his England career going down the pan

mahrez seeing the reality that it could be championship instead of Champions league

Claudio deciding he does have the balls to change something and finding something that clicks

Players realizing that the are playing for their careers and don't want to be seen as abject failures

Shakespeare will envoke the spirit of the great escape and give the players a "we can do this" attitude instead of we've made it attitude

the owners will undoubtedly throw huge chunks of cash to try and turn the tide

everyone will feel a lot happier after the Christmas party and envoke the scenes of Copenhagen

[Babylon]

15 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

Didn't Vardy have a similar Clause and he wasn't allowed leave. CR wanted Mendy and Walsh had to plead and beg for us to sign Kante. Why didn't CR fight to keep Kante especially after his he had proved himself.  It's strange then Kante is allowed leave and Mendy arrives.

As for Walsh this and other very strange decisions decided he wanted to move on. Just as strange as in Kante's case he was allowed to.

Vardy chose to stay, if he wanted out there was nothing we could do. Just as there was nothing we could do about Kante, but he decided to go.

[Monsell1976]

4 hours ago, sylofox said:

I guess Col buys your beer all weekend then Monsell.

 thought I'd be nice for a change, col is one of the better balanced posters on here, in my opinion, mine's a pint of carling col  

[Guest Col city fan]

31 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I had to look up 'pejorative' 

 

See what I mean?

[Izzy]

36 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

See what I mean?

I don't think HPF realises the average mental age of a FT poster is about 9 years old 

[Clever Fox]

2 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Vardy chose to stay, if he wanted out there was nothing we could do. Just as there was nothing we could do about Kante, but he decided to go.

Vardy chose to stay because the Club made great efforts to keep him including offering him a big Contract. We could just as easily done the same with Kante although I do accept he did want to go. But how many players at all Clubs wanting out changed their minds when a better deal was offered. It starts with the manager and the Club saying they dont want to lose the player.

[blue army 1988]

Vardy stayed because of the new contract we offered plus the way we play.

If he went to Arsenal then he would have had to adapt to their way of playing and also would sit on their bench as a sub. 

[sylofox]

32 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

I don't think HPF realises the average mental age of a FT poster is about 9 years old 

your so generous Izzy

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, Monsell1976 said:

 thought I'd be nice for a change, col is one of the better balanced posters on here, in my opinion, mine's a pint of carling col  

Only a pint that comment has to be worth a night out. Shhhhh don't tell but he has no friends.

[Babylon]

42 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

Vardy chose to stay because the Club made great efforts to keep him including offering him a big Contract. We could just as easily done the same with Kante although I do accept he did want to go. But how many players at all Clubs wanting out changed their minds when a better deal was offered. It starts with the manager and the Club saying they dont want to lose the player.

We did make him a new offer. Do you really think the club didn't try and keep its best player?

[foxinsocks]

Of course things would have been better if we'd have made better signings in the summer - esp central mids.  We are waiting for mendy to comeback - but even then we just don't know if he will cut it in the pl - let say it is 50:50.  So we are where we are with he squad  we have. I think we will have to buy two CMs (as one will be duff) in January.

 

I expect ranieri to sort out a way of getting the best out of the squad we have.  e.g. IMO I would always start Shingi (to add to the midfield); musa over albrighton (as his speed is an asset going fwd and also in defense - he picks their pockets); and if mahrez doesn't cross early then I would start grey until the penny drops; we need to play either slimani or vardy - not both;  defending of set pieces to be sorted out....  and we must work harder to press.

So is there something wrong in the dressing room? whatever the talent, as fans we expect the players to work hard and press high up - I don't understand why this isn't happening.  IF there is a problem with attitudes then ranieri and shakey must work it out (drop the player who are not in the right mind...).

 

So simples - pick the current best side; sort the tactics out; and deal with any issues in the dressing room.... (and buy two CMs in jan) so why isn't it happening?
 

PS: I could forgive claudio if we never win another game coz we are not good enough... what is frustrating is that we are dropping points we should be picking up

[Guest Col city fan]

3 hours ago, Monsell1976 said:

 thought I'd be nice for a change, col is one of the better balanced posters on here, in my opinion, mine's a pint of carling col  

Good lad. Consider yourself one of my mates.

@sylofox...you're out the club son!

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, Col city fan said:

Good lad. Consider yourself one of my mates.

@sylofox...you're out the club son!

So glad you put it in writing. Would not want you changing your mind.

[suffolk fox]

7 hours ago, Clever Fox said:

 Was he thinking of his Family when he signed his new Contract. No he wasn't. He's lived away from home for years with Chelsea Hull and Leicester.

Something happened to upset him. Either being overlooked for the DIF job or he had a difference of opinion with CR as to playing targets. Someone of his ability wants to be valued and rightly so. Not just another name on the payroll.

Do you seriously think that you go from champions to can't win  Match without something happening that's upset people. It didn't happen at Chelsea and it's not happened here. Look at Chelsea now pretty much the same players.

You can live in your own little make believe world if you wish. Me , I've been in this game to long to know differently.

What a load of tripe.  Something happened to upset him?  Oh we are playing crap there must be fall outs in the changing room.  You just live in a utopia world, like most on this topic.

 

Don't let the truth get in the way, facts are Walsh admitted he wanted to be closer to family and his North West Liverpool routes.  Let that sink in for a minute, breath and read again.

 

Walsh said that.   No one else but Steve Walsh.

 

Youve been in the game too long........errrrrrm garbish.  Is it all pink in your Utopia World.

 

So he goes to Everton and does the same job at Everton.  Is that a promotion then?  Ask any Everton fan Walsh hasn't exactly pulled up trees there and earlier in the season a lot of their fans were asking what does he do?

 

What has Chelsea got to do with anything?  

 

I would suggest too too many of our players are in their comfort zones.  We won it last year, we do not have to try so hard now after all we are getting mega bucks so we do not have to try.

 

We don't press from the front anymore we let all teams in the premier league come onto us we give them too much room.

Teams sit deeper against us and let us have possession we don't know what to do.

 

Schmeichel, injured, Drinkwater banned, Mendy been injured all season.  That is also a contributing factor.

 

Been in the game too long my Ar**. 

[crazyleicester]

We will be better later in this season and next season.

 

I know it sounds daft but we are still hungover. For weeks these players have been asked to tell their glorious story. Films, books, interviews, tours to Thailand, International comps in USA and Sweden, new contracts, new cars as gifts etc. The list is endless, They deserved the plaudits but I still think they are almost punch drunk. They have such a bond that they dont seem to be going mental at each other when mistakes happen. Its like lads who have fought in a bloody war for 5 years and now back home they just wont have a bad word to say about a colleague regardless.

 

Hopefully new signings and time will get us back on track.

[jayfox26]

On Saturday, December 03, 2016 at 17:54, Bunyip said:

Trouble is are any recruits in January going to be any better than the dross that Ranieri has recruited so far ? even without mentioning Inler and the other non starters  -Musa - Slimani - Armaty  ? all championship players at best . £ 60 million down the drain and that's without

the wages . 

 

Sorry Ranieri has to go . The buck stops with him.

Musa, Slimani and Amartey championship players at best??? Are you mental? Slimani has done pretty well, Musa is just taking a bit of time to settle but has looked decent in some games and Amartey is a 21 year old who's apparently expected to replace one of the best defensive midfielders in the world. While I agree that some of Claudios signings haven't been great, the 3 you've mentioned have not been his worst and are certainly not championship players 

[jayfox26]

Claudio over achieved last season by winning the league with the squad he had so let's hope he over achieves again and can avoid relegation with pretty much the same squad

[STUHILL]

I think Vardy drove this whole team on last year, with his attitude and amazing success. The amount of times last season, I heard people say that he sets the tone and standard for this team in every match. This year he has been completely off his game and looks lethargic and nothing like what made him such a pest for defences last season with his lethal pace and closing down. The rest of the team aren't helping, with the nervous hoof ball crap that Vardy can do very little with, but there is definitely something not right with him, and I think it is having negative impact on the whole team, as he is such an important player due to the way we play. Not sure what the solution is, but maybe a prolongued time on the bench may help him refocus. He is not the only reason for us underpeforming, but he is certainly a key reason I believe.

[m4DD0gg]

Think its just a matter of time.

 

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