How much longer does Claudio get a pass?

[foxy boxing]

listen i love the guy for what he has achieved for us but football management is a job. IT IS NOT TENURE where you have a job for life. things change in football quickly and you have strong minds and a strong character to succeed both in management and in the running of football clubs. you can either go down the path of Arsenal where they have stuck by Wenger at the detriment of their club or you can be like Chelsea where they change managers every few years and still pick up trophies or maybe we need something in between the two

[Lionator]

28 minutes ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

Genuine question to people saying he can have as long as he likes. Say we do go down and subsequently at this stage next year we are sitting 12th/13th in the championship. Will you still be of the opinion that he can have as long he likes? I can understand fans who want to back him but admit if things don't get better than it needs to be reassessed. That's a logical way of thinking. Saying he can have as long as he wants makes no sense. 

 

The above scenario has happened so it's not like it cant occur again. Just like winning becomes a habit, so does losing. By saying he can have as long as he likes you are basically making him bigger than the club. I'm sorry but, he needs to be as accountable as any other manager in the world. Basically, don't come out with that rosey loving 'you pick and choose, claudio' rubbish. Because if the worst happens, I am pretty sure those saying that will be at the front of the que asking for a change. And if you truly believe you won't be, do you really want the best for the club?

 

I think if it got to that stage, the man is big and wise enough to admit that he's not the guy the club needs at that present stage and he'd resign. 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

I think the December games are vital to Claudio's future. I desperately want him and the team to turn it round and succeed. He is a legend as are they for last season's greatest ever PL achievement, one unlikely to be matched ever.

 

But the owners will have to consider seriously if relegation is a possibility or likely outcome come January. Then their financial heads will switch on I suggest. Could we afford to go down? I doubt it with the sorts of contracts signed unless there were rock solid clauses in there to cut losses. If there aren't, then that will impact and unravel much of the hard work in building and developing the club and free fall could happen.

 

The owners have been less conspicuous this season - Perhaps a serious question is how much or whether the Thai king's death has had an affect in that respect? E.g. http://www.economist.com/news/asia/21708739-thailands-turbulent-politics-just-became-more-complicated-death-thai-king-throws

Thoughts?

 

So come on Claudio - now is the time to tinker. Most of us, all I hope, want him to succeed and of course with that, the team. However, we can't continue in the same vein and hope something happens. 

[yorkie1999]

40 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said:

There's no doubt that Ranieri's getting it horribly wrong at the minute, but why do people call him clueless? What do they think happened last year? The same happened to Pearson when we were playing badly. 

 

I don't know if Ranieri will turn this around, but last season was no fluke.

What happened last year? well he didn't tinker, said that himself, which means he didn't change things, which suggests it was already ok to start with.

[norwichfox]

2 hours ago, robski said:

I posted my views yesterday and having slept on it and read some very well formed opinions this morning on this forum I am still very worried indeed about the situation.

To lose to Hull on the opening game said it all and it has just got progressively worse since then.

We will get eliminated for sure in the first round of the Champions League knock stages and by then with Ranieri still in control we will be rock bottom of the Prem league with confidence shattered and relegation staring us in the face.

The likes of West Ham will be getting rid of Slaven Bilic very shortly and so will Swansea with Bob bradely and the best possible saviour currently out in the market place is Allardyce.

I'd take Brendan Rodgers from Celtic as well.

Not interested in Steve Bruce.

The longer you dither the harder it comes to find a suitable replacement and it is my view this change must come before the knock out stages of the Champs League allowing a new manager the prospect to progress in this competition as underdogs and with a belief and invincibility that we had last season.

Any of you clowns that honestly think that all will sort itself out in a few games with Mendy in the team and Vardy scoring freely with Mahrez producing his magic..................................Well it ain't going to happen and your deluded thinking it will.

Ranieri cannot string a meaningful sentence together in press conferences so it is hardly surprising that he is unable to communicate in depth and motivational team talks and rantings to get the best out of his players.

I would happily take relegation in exchange for winning the champs League but that ain't going to happen.............................................so I will settle for 4th from bottom in the Prem league but the thought of relegation is screwing with my head and I am getting increasingly uptight and my knickers in a twist about it all.

I'll say it again............................time is running out and God only knows what damage Man city will inflict on us at home this Saturday, particularly after their defeat to Chelsea, they will be gunning for us and we are easy pickings at the moment............................Every team will be looking at Leicester now and thinking............................That's an easy 3 points.

I genuinely don't see where a win is coming from at the moment and will guarantee you that the players have lost any connection with Ranieri and he ain't gonna fix it.

 

Lose at home to Man City and either he's off or I'm off to find another club.

 

Survival is paramount and I will guarantee you that the games after Ranieri gets sacked will produce an immediate response and the form will slowly return and we will climb the table so it  really is as simple as that.

Its about who we should be replacing Ranieri with now and in how many games that we need to be focusing on, This will give us all hope and is the only solution.

 

 

That the most plastic post I've ever read....try putting the top three club names in your school satchel and pull one out, whichever it is, support them, you'll be welcomed on their forum, and no one will notice you've gone from Foxes Talk....

[sk3since03]

2 hours ago, robski said:

I posted my views yesterday and having slept on it and read some very well formed opinions this morning on this forum I am still very worried indeed about the situation.

To lose to Hull on the opening game said it all and it has just got progressively worse since then.

We will get eliminated for sure in the first round of the Champions League knock stages and by then with Ranieri still in control we will be rock bottom of the Prem league with confidence shattered and relegation staring us in the face.

The likes of West Ham will be getting rid of Slaven Bilic very shortly and so will Swansea with Bob bradely and the best possible saviour currently out in the market place is Allardyce.

I'd take Brendan Rodgers from Celtic as well.

Not interested in Steve Bruce.

The longer you dither the harder it comes to find a suitable replacement and it is my view this change must come before the knock out stages of the Champs League allowing a new manager the prospect to progress in this competition as underdogs and with a belief and invincibility that we had last season.

Any of you clowns that honestly think that all will sort itself out in a few games with Mendy in the team and Vardy scoring freely with Mahrez producing his magic..................................Well it ain't going to happen and your deluded thinking it will.

Ranieri cannot string a meaningful sentence together in press conferences so it is hardly surprising that he is unable to communicate in depth and motivational team talks and rantings to get the best out of his players.

I would happily take relegation in exchange for winning the champs League but that ain't going to happen.............................................so I will settle for 4th from bottom in the Prem league but the thought of relegation is screwing with my head and I am getting increasingly uptight and my knickers in a twist about it all.

I'll say it again............................time is running out and God only knows what damage Man city will inflict on us at home this Saturday, particularly after their defeat to Chelsea, they will be gunning for us and we are easy pickings at the moment............................Every team will be looking at Leicester now and thinking............................That's an easy 3 points.

I genuinely don't see where a win is coming from at the moment and will guarantee you that the players have lost any connection with Ranieri and he ain't gonna fix it.

 

Lose at home to Man City and either he's off or I'm off to find another club.

 

Survival is paramount and I will guarantee you that the games after Ranieri gets sacked will produce an immediate response and the form will slowly return and we will climb the table so it  really is as simple as that.

Its about who we should be replacing Ranieri with now and in how many games that we need to be focusing on, This will give us all hope and is the only solution.

 

 

I'll give you one thing......................................

You cant half talk some bollocks !!

 

Last season your first season down the KP was it? 

[KingKante]

Chelsea sacked Jose the year after winning, do you think the Thais could do the same? 

[norwichfox]

5 minutes ago, KingKante said:

Chelsea sacked Jose the year after winning, do you think the Thais could do the same? 

No......Jose manages Manchester United

[WardyisPukka]

He only get sacked if we're in the bottom three after the Jan window!

 

At the moment he's being far too stubborn for his own liking with playing the same system expecting different results.

 

So painful to watch him persist with it.

 

Really hope hes sees sense and plays a different system at least just to see if it does work

 

Time he dropped mahrez vardy and huth 

 

 

 

 

[HankMarvin]

35 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

What happened last year? well he didn't tinker, said that himself, which means he didn't change things, which suggests it was already ok to start with.

Was also qouted as saying the team

talks took care of themselves last year

[Argarath]

3 hours ago, robski said:

I posted my views yesterday and having slept on it and read some very well formed opinions this morning on this forum I am still very worried indeed about the situation.

To lose to Hull on the opening game said it all and it has just got progressively worse since then.

We will get eliminated for sure in the first round of the Champions League knock stages and by then with Ranieri still in control we will be rock bottom of the Prem league with confidence shattered and relegation staring us in the face.

The likes of West Ham will be getting rid of Slaven Bilic very shortly and so will Swansea with Bob bradely and the best possible saviour currently out in the market place is Allardyce.

I'd take Brendan Rodgers from Celtic as well.

Not interested in Steve Bruce.

The longer you dither the harder it comes to find a suitable replacement and it is my view this change must come before the knock out stages of the Champs League allowing a new manager the prospect to progress in this competition as underdogs and with a belief and invincibility that we had last season.

Any of you clowns that honestly think that all will sort itself out in a few games with Mendy in the team and Vardy scoring freely with Mahrez producing his magic..................................Well it ain't going to happen and your deluded thinking it will.

Ranieri cannot string a meaningful sentence together in press conferences so it is hardly surprising that he is unable to communicate in depth and motivational team talks and rantings to get the best out of his players.

I would happily take relegation in exchange for winning the champs League but that ain't going to happen.............................................so I will settle for 4th from bottom in the Prem league but the thought of relegation is screwing with my head and I am getting increasingly uptight and my knickers in a twist about it all.

I'll say it again............................time is running out and God only knows what damage Man city will inflict on us at home this Saturday, particularly after their defeat to Chelsea, they will be gunning for us and we are easy pickings at the moment............................Every team will be looking at Leicester now and thinking............................That's an easy 3 points.

I genuinely don't see where a win is coming from at the moment and will guarantee you that the players have lost any connection with Ranieri and he ain't gonna fix it.

 

Lose at home to Man City and either he's off or I'm off to find another club.

 

Survival is paramount and I will guarantee you that the games after Ranieri gets sacked will produce an immediate response and the form will slowly return and we will climb the table so it  really is as simple as that.

Its about who we should be replacing Ranieri with now and in how many games that we need to be focusing on, This will give us all hope and is the only solution.

 

 

Close the door on your way out..

[Donut]

51 minutes ago, KingKante said:

Chelsea sacked Jose the year after winning, do you think the Thais could do the same? 

And do you think these two situations are in any way comparable?

 

 

[Mark_w]

5 hours ago, elvisfmcfly said:

I hated Pearson as a Bloke but anyone calling him a shambles is an embarrassment,we wouldn't be premier league without him let alone champions.

Is this the same Nigel Pearson that you said was worse than Peter Taylor? The one who you said wouldn't be missed when he left?

What an interesting u-turn. I guess you don't want to kick my head in because I wanted him to keep his job now?

[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Mark_w said:

Is this the same Nigel Pearson that you said was worse than Peter Taylor? The one who you said wouldn't be missed when he left?

What an interesting u-turn. I guess you don't want to kick my head in because I wanted him to keep his job now?

Bizarre how you only seem to post these days when the subject is Nigel Pearson. 

[elvisfmcfly]

1 minute ago, Mark_w said:

Is this the same Nigel Pearson that you said was worse than Peter Taylor? The one who you said wouldn't be missed when he left?

What an interesting u-turn. I guess you don't want to kick my head in because I wanted him to keep his job now?

We don't miss Pearson I said all that before the great escape he proved me wrong and kept us up,what you had was blind faith and you would have been happy if he took us down,I'm not for one bit sad he's gone he was a bellend but I ll hold my hands up now he's gone and I don't have to suffer him week in week out,and say we wouldn't be where we are without him.

[Donut]

Why is this thread even called "How much longer does Claudio get a pass".....

 

A title implying that we should be turning on him like its our duty.

 

Whats even more interesting is some seem to think that a guy like Sam Allardyce or Pearson or some other firefighter that could come in with only minor trophies and survived relegation battles to their name and hold all the answers, yet they think a guy who could score 81 points and win the title has none.

 

 

[volpeazzurro]

God, it's a good job our club is run by professionals rather than some of the posters on here dashing around like freshly f....d hens! 

We're in the knock out stages of the Champions League for the first time ever. We lie 15th in the table 2 points above the last relegation spot and 6 behind 10th. It's not New Year and we're not rock bottom by 6 points. Though keeping and not sacking our last manager in a far worse position than this turned out to be a wise decision! 

 

Everyone was full of praise for Ranieri and West Hams Billic last season,  have they both suddenly overnight turned into useless managers? Particularly Ranieri with his long and distinguished career? Are a bunch of armchair supporters suddenly far more in the know regarding issues like transfer policies in the summer (none of you or me know bugger all on what the club tried to do), yet everyone has different ideas on who we should have signed. And then, there's the tactical geniuses,  though again,  everyone has different ideas re players and formations yet, not one sees the players in training or knows who is fit and capable physically or mentally!  That's why they have 1 manager.

 

So what can we rely on as facts that most of us would generally agree on?

1. Without a good strong capable midfield,  your defence is not protected enough and your strikers are not afforded a decent amount of opportunities to score.

2. Drinkwater is clearly good enough but can't do it on his own. Kante gone, Mendy, though not his direct replacement injured. James injured. Plus for reasons nobody knows, but some people just assume incompetence  (as it suits to agrandise the storyteller and their superior knowledge), the club were unable to bring in another quality midfielder. 

3. We're currently left with 2 players who together are simply not good enough for various reasons. So why is anyone surprised at the results I'm certainly not.  If we had Drinkwater plus a fully fit Mendy and James, could those three have made a difference? As for trying different formations, do you know what,  after all these years as an experienced manager,  I think it may just have crossed Ranieri's mind? Wonder why he's not done it, but as we haven't got the foggiest idea, we'll just call him old, clueless and stubborn. Yet only a few weeks ago everybody thought him a genius for what he'd achieved.

 

Hard as it is, a little bit of trust and patience is called for I feel. You get some real crap times as a Leicester supporter that's certainly a fact. Whining, moaning and heaven forbid if we actually start booing our players or manager certainly can't help. When clearly lacking in confidence, huge support being given to them and our manager might have a more positive effect. Are we going to beat Man City with our current line up? Possibly not, so don't be surprised. When Drinkwater,  Mendy and James are back (both the latter need time) will we improve?  I think so. Will Ranieri see us through? Yes I believe so. Any other great managers out there that would be gagging to take over and are free do so? Didn't think so.

[elvisfmcfly]

11 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Bizarre how you only seem to post these days when the subject is Nigel Pearson. 

He was a Derby fan for a few weeks,he's back now till Pearsons next job! 

[possiblygeorge]

4 hours ago, robski said:

I posted my views yesterday and having slept on it and read some very well formed opinions this morning on this forum I am still very worried indeed about the situation.

To lose to Hull on the opening game said it all and it has just got progressively worse since then.

We will get eliminated for sure in the first round of the Champions League knock stages and by then with Ranieri still in control we will be rock bottom of the Prem league with confidence shattered and relegation staring us in the face.

The likes of West Ham will be getting rid of Slaven Bilic very shortly and so will Swansea with Bob bradely and the best possible saviour currently out in the market place is Allardyce.

I'd take Brendan Rodgers from Celtic as well.

Not interested in Steve Bruce.

The longer you dither the harder it comes to find a suitable replacement and it is my view this change must come before the knock out stages of the Champs League allowing a new manager the prospect to progress in this competition as underdogs and with a belief and invincibility that we had last season.

Any of you clowns that honestly think that all will sort itself out in a few games with Mendy in the team and Vardy scoring freely with Mahrez producing his magic..................................Well it ain't going to happen and your deluded thinking it will.

Ranieri cannot string a meaningful sentence together in press conferences so it is hardly surprising that he is unable to communicate in depth and motivational team talks and rantings to get the best out of his players.

I would happily take relegation in exchange for winning the champs League but that ain't going to happen.............................................so I will settle for 4th from bottom in the Prem league but the thought of relegation is screwing with my head and I am getting increasingly uptight and my knickers in a twist about it all.

I'll say it again............................time is running out and God only knows what damage Man city will inflict on us at home this Saturday, particularly after their defeat to Chelsea, they will be gunning for us and we are easy pickings at the moment............................Every team will be looking at Leicester now and thinking............................That's an easy 3 points.

I genuinely don't see where a win is coming from at the moment and will guarantee you that the players have lost any connection with Ranieri and he ain't gonna fix it.

 

Lose at home to Man City and either he's off or I'm off to find another club.

 

Survival is paramount and I will guarantee you that the games after Ranieri gets sacked will produce an immediate response and the form will slowly return and we will climb the table so it  really is as simple as that.

Its about who we should be replacing Ranieri with now and in how many games that we need to be focusing on, This will give us all hope and is the only solution.

 

 

See ya later mate! 

[filbertway]

2 minutes ago, Donut said:

Why is this thread even called "How much longer does Claudio get a pass".....

 

A title implying that we should be turning on him like its our duty.

 

Whats even more interesting is some seem to think that a guy like Sam Allardyce or Pearson or some other firefighter that could come in with only minor trophies and survived relegation battles to their name and hold all the answers, yet they think a guy who could score 81 points and win the title has none.

 

It's a fair question. No harm in asking how long people are willing to give the manager. Most sensible people seem to think that serious judgement shouldn't be made until after the January transfer window.

 

I've been finding Ranieri and our style of play incredibly frustrating and odd for the majority of the season, but I think he's earned another transfer window to rectify the clear issues in the squad.

 

If we make it through January and we're still performing to these levels and have a threadbare defence and midfield then that'd suggest to me he's not up to the job.

 

I personally think he wants to see how far we can go in the champions league and then he'll call it a day at the end of May. I hope he makes it that far as it will mean he's done a decent job and steadied the ship again.

[Leicesterpool]

It wouldn't half look odd in the press and in the footballing world... "Leicester sack Claudio Ranieri seven months after winning there first ever top flight title plus still involved in the champions league". Yeah fair enough we're bad this year and Claudio ought to take some responsibility for our league form this season but I don't want us to become a Chelsea where we sack a manager every five minutes because we ain't won three games on the trot or something. Claudio will turn us round!  

[NotTheMarketLeader]

11 hours ago, Barky said:

Pearson inherited a derby team who had picked up 14 points from 7 games prior to his arrival and have an even better record since he left (7 wins and 1 defeat in 10). Yet he actually had them in the relegation zone, and then punched the owner for wanting to see what was happening in training. 

 

Ranieri this season in the league - not good enough. In the champions league, our clear priority - impeccable. Pearson - a shambles of a manager. 

I agree with all this, with the exception of describing the CL this season as impeccable. 

 

Yes I know we have points on the board and we top the group, but I think we've only played two decent games in that competition - Brugge away and Porto and home - and that's when 2/3rds of the opposition are no better than that of Championship teams. 

 

This has lulled people into a false sense of security, in thinking 'we can do it when we want to'. Well when the momentum is lost it's very difficult to get it started again, and that what has happened.

 

I never liked the idea of giving priority to the CL over the league - that's the Thais fault I suspect, not Ranieri, for not fully grasping the competitive nature of the PL.

 

Are we going to pay the ultimate the price as a result?

 

They may well have handed out big money contracts in the Summer but they are going to need very deep pockets to buy us out of this predicament we now found ourselves in. 

 

On top of that, are they really going to fancy paying off Ranieri  's 5 year deal, and then the same again for a new guy?

[NotTheMarketLeader]

15 minutes ago, filbertway said:

 

It's a fair question. No harm in asking how long people are willing to give the manager. Most sensible people seem to think that serious judgement shouldn't be made until after the January transfer window.

 

I've been finding Ranieri and our style of play incredibly frustrating and odd for the majority of the season, but I think he's earned another transfer window to rectify the clear issues in the squad.

 

If we make it through January and we're still performing to these levels and have a threadbare defence and midfield then that'd suggest to me he's not up to the job.

 

I personally think he wants to see how far we can go in the champions league and then he'll call it a day at the end of May. I hope he makes it that far as it will mean he's done a decent job and steadied the ship again.

Ranieri has questions to answer - no doubt. 

 

As we fans are in turmoil, and looking for answers should the D of F's position be under question given the shoddy way the club has handled matters since May? 

 

For example, transfers....etc

[Bob Weasel Fox]

4 hours ago, robski said:

 

Lose at home to Man City and either he's off or I'm off to find another club.

 

Says it all . . . . 

 

I wouldnt call you a cvnt personally but plenty would 

[Barky]

47 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

I agree with all this, with the exception of describing the CL this season as impeccable. 

 

Yes I know we have points on the board and we top the group, but I think we've only played two decent games in that competition - Brugge away and Porto and home - and that's when 2/3rds of the opposition are no better than that of Championship teams. 

 

This has lulled people into a false sense of security, in thinking 'we can do it when we want to'. Well when the momentum is lost it's very difficult to get it started again, and that what has happened.

 

I never liked the idea of giving priority to the CL over the league - that's the Thais fault I suspect, not Ranieri, for not fully grasping the competitive nature of the PL.

 

Are we going to pay the ultimate the price as a result?

 

They may well have handed out big money contracts in the Summer but they are going to need very deep pockets to buy us out of this predicament we now found ourselves in. 

 

On top of that, are they really going to fancy paying off Ranieri  's 5 year deal, and then the same again for a new guy?

I think it's always harsh to point out the standard of the opposition when you've won a game. You can only top the group you're in and nothing is ever easy in the champions league, especially when it's your first ever season in the competition. Man City are still struggling with it with years of experience and hundreds of millions spent. We not only qualified but won the group with a game to spare with one of the best ever records for a new team in the competition. If that's not impeccable then I don't know what is.

 

Disagree that the owners are to blame for poor league form. I doubt very much they've sat the players down and told them not to bother trying in the league. They might have expressed a slight preference for the champions league in what realistically may be our only ever chance, and personally I'm with them on that, but there's no way they'd sanction the laziness we've seen from our players in the league this season. The blame for that lies predominantly with the players themselves, and to some extent Ranieri who has ultimate responsibility over man management and ensuring players are properly motivated.

 

Ranieri won't be sacked. They showed faith in Pearson through much worse times than this. Ranieri has proven what he can do and it's more than enough. He'll be given as much time as he needs. The only way I can see him being sacked is if we're in the bottom half of the championship come next Christmas, and I just can't see that happening.