Spudulike Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 "In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)". "A caution or dismissal is not normally required." How could that have possibly been deliberate ?? Why was a yellow card given ??
melrose Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 Stone waller there I'm afraid! His arm was above his head
Tuna Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 Doesn't matter does it, the games over, decision cannot be changed, we move on. We win some, we lose some luck balances out over the season.
aussie-fox Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 We would be calling for the ref's head if it was at the other end and wasn't given so there's your answer
davieG Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 Hand in an u natural position is a silly rule who on earth can determine what is natural when a body is flying through the air. Hand to ball was a much simpler rule.
ZeGuy Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 Blatant pen. Simpson screwed up on this one. Even when you're slide tackling there is no way your right arm could be that high with that angle.
Harry - LCFC Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 I didn't disagree with that decision. The red and the yellows were the source of the anger in the away end
Barky Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 Don't think he had any control over his arm really. He was launching himself to the ground at top speed - your arms will swing all over. So by the letter of the law it's not a penalty. Some sympathy with the ref on that one though.
funkyrobot Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 I don't think a point blank hit of a flailing arm as a player tries to block a cross with his foot should be seen as a stonewall penalty. If it is then the rules are wrong. Handballs should be given for a clear deliberate handball. You are already seeing players trying to kick balls directly at arms to win a decision, and resultant arms behind your back defending. I still don't think every ref would've given it. Pawson by then had an agenda so we had no chance.
Sammy Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 I know a lot of people are saying it was a pen which I can agree with BUT Pawson was so inconsistent. He let three accidental handballs go in the first half hour (which I completely agree with) the minute it gets in to the box he couldn't wait to point to the spot. If you're going to give it you have to give them across the pitch for the entire game
old koppite Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 1 minute ago, Barky said: Don't think he had any control over his arm really. He was launching himself to the ground at top speed - your arms will swing all over. So by the letter of the law it's not a penalty. Agree- as I remember the replays he is looking away, maybe eyes closed. You try sprinting and going into a slide block with both arms down by your side. Also very close to the kicker - how often do you hear commentators say no pen when players are too close to the ball when kicked. no pen for me.
Beliall Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 i cant imagine trying to go in for a sliding challenge / block with my arms at my side. no pen
old koppite Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 34 minutes ago, Spudulike said: "In Fifa's Laws of the Game 2005, Law 12 says a free-kick or penalty will be awarded if a player "handles the ball deliberately (except for the goalkeeper within his own penalty area)". "A caution or dismissal is not normally required." How could that have possibly been deliberate ?? Why was a yellow card given ?? And the commentator on my stream was saying deliberate doesn't matter any more! Ha ha! He also criticised DS for being out of date on the rules! Prat !
ChownLC Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 Whether or not it's deliberate means nothing. The majority of handballs are accidental.
Hollism Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 I was in the away end, and I've not seen any replays but it was stonewall. Imagine if it had gone the other way, we'd all be on here laughing at stoke fans for thinking it shouldn't have been given.
Sammy Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 15 minutes ago, InLoveWithNgolo said: Whether or not it's deliberate means nothing. The majority of handballs are accidental. Which is why the FA need to change something. Either come out and make referees be consistent in giving only INTENTIONAL handballs, or change the rule to include something like 'gaining an unfair advantage from the ball hitting an arm in an unnatural position'
Spudulike Posted 17 December 2016 Author Posted 17 December 2016 27 minutes ago, InLoveWithNgolo said: Whether or not it's deliberate means nothing. The majority of handballs are accidental. How can it mean nothing when that is the law ?? If the majority of handballs are accidental then they are not offences.
ChownLC Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 3 minutes ago, Spudulike said: How can it mean nothing when that is the law ?? If the majority of handballs are accidental then they are not offences. I understand its the law but if you look at the penalties that are given for handball, how many are deliberate?
ZeGuy Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 1 hour ago, InLoveWithNgolo said: Whether or not it's deliberate means nothing. The majority of handballs are accidental. Except this one wasn't,
Milo Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 It's the kind of thing John Terry made a bit of a habit out of a few years ago - Huth has got away with similar, so can't really complain if its given or not. Way worse decisions throughout the game - couldn't tackle in the second half due to all the yellows, ref killed the game. On the plus side, two of the last three matches are much more like it. More of the same and I can relax a bit...
dedlock Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 Arms raised. Difficult not to give it. That penalty in our favour against Middlesborouh was given because their defender had his arms raised.
AyewJoking Posted 17 December 2016 Posted 17 December 2016 not deliberate. penalty was correct decision though.
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